GSL Season 3 Code S Groups

On June 02 2012 09:57 thrawn1020 wrote:

On June 02 2012 09:32 GuitarBizarre wrote:

On June 02 2012 09:11 thrawn1020 wrote:
Well, @FrostedMiniWheats and @Witten, neither one of you seems to have understood what I was saying.

I saw Symbol play. He was good. I know he has good results in foreign tournaments. I've seen the record.

Jjakji: didn't make it back into Code S. Also wildly overrated for his play in recent months. Sc: Struggling with his health, sure; but what league is he in? Code B. NO offense intended there, but he is in Code B. And lastly, Seed. Low-tier Code S player. Likely to perennially be in the Up and Down matches. I want better for him, but he hasn't shown it yet.

I want to see players do well coming out of Code B, don't get me wrong. I'm no Yonghwa apologist. There are people who have repeatedly qualified since we knew about Yonghwa. I know, the Code A qualifier is hard; but there are players who are more deserving of Code A slots; many are in Code A now.

Quoting GuitarBizarre "And on MKP's side, he's not going to fall apart just because of a few recent losses, he's been around too long for that."

Really, nobody has been around too long for that. Nobody is proven. MKP has one of the worst styles of any of the Code S terrans remaining for TvT. Only Happy and theSTC are worse, and they are at least practicing the right styles. And if you think that MKP can't fall out just because he survived GomTvT, then I urge you to watch the first round of Code A. Bring your handkerchief; there will be crying involved when some of your favorite old Terrans fall out. At this point, MKP is too good to lose out of Code A, but I see him as easily able to slip out of Code S and have some trouble coming back. This is no weekend tournament; This is a preparation-based format where it is not merely the best player at playing 30 games in a row who wins, it is the player who can define what it is about the other player they can attack and break down, and then execute it. And second places in foreign events that happen over a weekend, and/or old GSL formats that involved a lot of substandard players, don't mean diddly to me. I don't pay for the GSL to watch ladder games; I judge based on the best, most prepared games possible, with a specific opponent in mind. And the GSL has delivered. Casters can say what they want; words are wind. They are paid for them. MKP has been the best performer abroad in weekend tournaments -- congratulations to him. But I have more respect for players who win a GSL than players who win any foreign tournament -- excepting Jjakji, who has fallen off precipitously since he won.

Oh, and never, ever, did I say I thought MKP was "bad".

I'm looking for the part of that post where you actually made any points.

I can't find it.

What I can find is you repeatedly asserting that MKP has a bad style (Disagree, it kills players just as well as anyone elses style.), and that there is a "Right" style for T (Again, disagree. No such thing as a "right" style. Anything can lose.)

As for "ZOMG GSL IS THE ONLY TOURNAMENT THAT MATTERS" - Get off your high horse, really. A tournament is a tournament is a tournament. If MKP is beating good players anywhere, he can beat them anywhere. Does preparation time change the game some? Yes. Does it invalidate anything else? Fuck no.

I watch those other tournaments too. That's why I talk about the quality of the games. Nobody said those games were terrible but you. YOU were the one who said that Red Bull Battlegrounds and an MLG were the same, even though one has over 100 more players in it and a TON more recognition. And I did never say that anyone should not seek to make money off the game from some tournament if it is paying out. If MKP can go overseas and make better money than what he can do in a Preparation-based format, more power to him. I'd do the same in his position. But the best play in the world comes from the GSL. And that is the yardstick by which people are measured in terms of skill, like it or not. There is a reason foreigners _choose_ to play at the GSL. It is the MOST prestigious tournament on the planet, period. It is not about the money; it is about winning the toughest tournament in the world. People like Naniwa don't give a damn about winning an MLG because GSL exists and is a higher quality win. And frankly, without a GSL win, nobody in the world can lay claim to the title of best in the world. And THAT is why I watch. Call me when MKP wins.

Feel free to disagree with me; I'll live. But I don't want to watch games where one side has to pull an all-nighter just to play a game live. Call me when the NASL is holding nightly events that I can fly to and attend on a regular basis, for free. It will happen; whether or not the NASL is the first one on this side of the ocean to do it is another matter. I'll be waiting; I'll definitely be watching if they can make that happen.

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