iGrok's Good Clean Old-fashioned Mafia - Page 24

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On June 13 2012 02:55 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm...I'm leaning on BrownBear-Wiggles-Radfield 2 scum-SK team for now.

I don't like that post of yours Wiggles, I dunno...seems your reasons for thinking chaoser is scum are kind of weak.


But well, if I'm still alive on D2 I'll reanalyze the thread, hey! Maybe you are right about chaoser who knows?

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On June 12 2012 07:07 Hesmyrr wrote:

I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment.

Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary.

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On June 13 2012 03:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

What about them are weak? If you'd like me to explain in more detail or go over something in a different way I can. Just saying they're weak doesn't really help me if you don't think he's scum or the case is bad.

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On June 13 2012 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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Between MZ and Palmar, I would have truthfully voted for MZ. Out of other people, I would have voted Chaoser.

The reasons for this are that he's done about three things that make him look off to me.

First, he did that weird thing with the RNG. I have no idea how that was supposed to work though, because RNG doesn't work with just someone posting a number and saying that's who we're lynching. But, after not enough people supported him, and I called him out on it, he says that it was for pressure and to see how Ace reacted. That sounds silly though, because the pressure would always be weak, and Ace didn't back off RNG but Chaoser still pushed him for it. Like I said, false pressure.

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Second, I don't understand his initial case on Grey at all. I don't know what he means by "you show no suspicion to the usage of terms", but I guess he's saying that he's not suspicious of different names and that makes him scummy? But this is an iGrok game. I lost Sleeper Cell I because I lynched a guy for having a green bolded name when no one else did. I learned my lesson, and I know iGrok has done similar things in lots of his games since then with regards to flavour and role name, because flavour hunting is just stupid. So, it makes sense for GreY not to necessarily question that they have different names, which makes Chaoser's accusation weird and off-base.

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Then he calls out GreY for wanting to lynch me and not MZ. The thing is though, there's nothing stopping GreY from thinking I made a bad post even if MZ made a worse post, so that's not really a valid for saying he's scum. Just because something is worse than something else doesn't mean that other thing can't still be bad (On a side note, I don't think my post was bad, this is from GreY's PoV ). So again, I don't like Chaoser's reasoning for voting GreY.

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Third, Chaoser didn't change his vote from GreY to MZ. There wasn't enough support for the GreY lynch it seemed, and the votes between Palmar and MZ were very close. Chaoser said he'd prefer an MZ lynch after a GreY lynch, and that he thought Palmar was playing well. However, he never ended up changing his vote to ensure someone he thought was scummy would get lynched instead of someone he thought was playing well. That stinks.

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On June 13 2012 03:40 gonzaw wrote:






This is inherently weak because it relates to the RNG bits from earlier on. chaoser could have easily done that as town or scum.

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This seems weak as well. You find chaoser suspicious because he found Grey's reaction to my "joke" suspicious, only based on a game you (but not chaoser) played (and he would have no way to know that).

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This may be true or not, but doesn't seem too strong either.

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Well..MZ did flip town. chaoser not voting someone that flipped town would be better considering the circumstances.

I do find that a little bit odd, but he said he prefered a Grey lynch rather than a MZ one, and I was voting Grey at that time as well (while MZ only had like 3 votes on him), so at that time him keeping his vote on Grey isn't alignment telling.

Yes, him not changing his vote to MZ later seems weird, because he said MZ was his 2nd lynch.

But all in all your reasons for thinking chaoser is scum seem weak to me.

What about his interactions with other players? What about his behaviour and aggressiveness? Do you think he's scum because of them as well?

But meh.

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On June 13 2012 05:41 Palmar wrote:
No, Rad is double confirmed, you're like only three quarters of confirmed.

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