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 Katina   United States. June 08 2012 06:27. Posts 454
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On June 08 2012 06:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Very well.

I'm very VERY suspicious of BH indeed. It took me going back and rereading his entire filter TWICE before I realized the problem with his play that I had. Until that point, his play seemed off to me but aside from the lack of aggressiveness and take-chargeness that I'm used to seeing, I couldn't find anything scummy.

Then it occurred to me the obvious - that BH has been AVOIDING DOING SCUMMY THINGS! :OOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Of course your mileage may vary, but to me it seems like his play is teetering somewhere between diplomatic and sarcastic...but it has definitely NOT screamed town to me, as his play has done in the past. I look forward to hearing his full thoughts on the events of yesterday, because as it stands if Furerkip gets modkilled or replaced, then I'll be pushing BH's lynch.


You are just now realizing this?
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 Blazinghand   United States. June 08 2012 06:28. Posts 12224
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On June 08 2012 06:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't suppose you breadcrumbed that shit did you? Just to set my mind at ease...


Well, I didn't breadcrumb the shot. I figured I'd just say it during this phase when you can talk and people can't change their night actions.
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 Blazinghand   United States. June 08 2012 06:31. Posts 12224
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Here's my role crumb:


On June 05 2012 08:11 Blazinghand wrote:
There's no need to get all moody about it. The point is, there are mechanics in this game to confuse cops other than miller.

get all [b][/b]moody about it


Moody = Mad Eye Moody from the Harry Potter series, whose catch phrase was "constant vigilance" = vigilante
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 VisceraEyes   United States. June 08 2012 06:31. Posts 9718
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On June 08 2012 06:27 Katina wrote:

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You are just now realizing this?


There's no need to be condescending Katina, are you always this abrasive? I hadn't noticed. :/
Come on and give it to me. Come on and die. ****TL MAFIA LI - NEVER FORGET****
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 Artanis[Xp]   Netherlands. June 08 2012 06:33. Posts 3458
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I wanted to comment on Katina's case since it seemed very ill construed to me.


On June 07 2012 07:16 Katina wrote:
Mr. VisceraEyes
Let's take a look at one of his first posts.

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Here he opens with claiming that he is a Miller. He makes this big post about how he is all for the town and don't bother with a DT check because he will come back red. He says to keep a close eye on him and if it looks as if he is pushing a Mafia agenda then to lynch him. He uses capitals to emphasize his points and what NOT <--- to do. He comes out of nowhere with this post because he knows that people love to kill him and/or check him night 1. This is an attempt to divert suspicion from him and to ignore any evidence suggesting otherwise because he made it known early on. So when someone brings up suspicion he can just say "No. I told you early on I was a miller blah blah blah"

I don't see how you make this out as his intention. I'm also confused as to what you see in his capitalization; it seems very minor and the case seems to be made out of thin threads. He never said he expects people to say he's clean. Both the town and the scum explanation check out, making it a null read and I don't see the scum in it.


This is proven in his next post when he recieves a vote

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Enough said.

He once again emphasizes that people should not take his posts for granted as town, and he should be scrutinized. I'm very confused as to what you're getting at here.



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Here we see that VE can get away with just about anything because people just brush it off as typical VE play. I refuse to just brush all the derpness that comes out of VE's mouth as just typical VE play.

Wut. He made a joke.



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This was his post that he made in defense of his voting on three different people. As you can see it's not much.... Again he uses the "My vote is a tool" excuse. He is really playing up his "I'm VE I vote on the whole town in a day and people will just nod and smile" I'm not buying it.

But I HAVE seen him use his vote as a tool in previous games. In MTG mafia he kept changing targets too depending on who he thought he could lynch and he was townie in that game. Changing votes is a horrible reason to think someone is mafia and this case just makes me suspect you.


This is also interesting

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Note how he is sold on BH and ready to lynch. Then what does silly VE do?


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He posts this later on. I thought he was sold?

You don't think BH's massively more helpful posts than before that had anything to do with it?



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This post followed after. He makes a silly post that he is ready to lynch Pandian. Okay, well he was playing oddly I will give him that then he proceeds to make this case:

Still fine with this.


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He makes this case on Furerkip and just briefly mentions Pandian at the end. I thought he was ready to lynch Pandian. Why make a post against another player instead of making your case on Pandian to ensure his lynch?

Now this is the one good point you make in the entire case that I feel is scummy of VE. If Pandain is your main lynch target at that point, your post should be about Pandain, not furerkip. I don't like it and although the excuse of Emotional VE could be used (see MTG mafia for how VE can flip off). I don't think that's the case here at all just by getting accused from a newbie mafia. So VE, why did you make a massive case on furer then vote on Pandain?



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What? Don't most people make their cases then cast their votes instead of waiting for later? I'm not sure why VE would need to wait until later to make his case. It really makes no sense. VE has been all over the place day 1. He goes after several people. He votes on one person then goes and makes accusations and cases against someone else. His play is incredibly inconsistent. He is using his "Typical Play" card to do whatever he wants. He is doing nothing but casting doubt around the town. His focus is on throwing around accusations to try and appear like he's scumhunting. He appears to be pushing a Mafia agenda. VE made his miller claim early on so no one will suspect him because he "warned" us. His play has been completely ridiculous. He shouldn't be allowed to live through the night let alone another day.

VisceraEyes is Mafia. Don't let his excuses that he's VE fool you into overlooking his scummyness. He is not helping the town at all. This needs to stop.

VE is over emphasizing his Millerness. It reminds me of Bill Murray in jubjub where he got checked before the mafia converted him, and he just kept emphasizing that he was innocent cause he got checked.

I feel like you're tunneling VE just over his first post here and it makes you see everything he posted in a scum light, whereas I can see a townie reasoning for every post other than that where he accused Pandain after making a long post on furer. That however is far from enough to chalk someone up as red for me. As for you Katina, I have you on a thin shade of red after this weak case, though I can see it being a case of tunneling.


Also we should kill blazinghand.

After my recent F5, let's not unless the death count is weird on N2.
 
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 VisceraEyes   United States. June 08 2012 06:40. Posts 9718
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Check the last part of the case again Artanis - she raises this big stink about how I didn't make a case against Pandain...even though I DID make a case against Pandain! It was ever-so-slightly-delayed but I DID come back in and make it almost immediately.

She even acknowledges this when I ask her about my points in the case, but then goes on to post this case on ME anyway, where she mentions me not making a case. I find this extremely peculiar and I think we need to TRY and get Katina to do something worthwhile today.

A small contradiction, if you want to call it that, but worth noting since you took the time to pick apart her case.
Come on and give it to me. Come on and die. ****TL MAFIA LI - NEVER FORGET****
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 Katina   United States. June 08 2012 06:40. Posts 454
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I'm not tunneling VE. I'm going after him because of his claim and overall play day 1. To me it was scummy so therefore I put up a case against him. I didn't know making cases on suspects was scummy.
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 VisceraEyes   United States. June 08 2012 06:42. Posts 9718
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On June 08 2012 06:40 Katina wrote:
I'm not tunneling VE. I'm going after him because of his claim and overall play day 1. To me it was scummy so therefore I put up a case against him. I didn't know making cases on suspects was scummy.


Try again without the strawman Katina. He's not saying you're scummy for making a case on your suspect, he's saying the case itself is scummy.
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 Artanis[Xp]   Netherlands. June 08 2012 06:44. Posts 3458
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@VisceraEyes: I'll have to go back through your posting history for that and right now I want to use the last 15 min to read up on some other people that I actually have more of a scumread on.

@Katina Going through loops to paint someone as scum who isn't exhibiting scum traits is scummy, Katina. But you also missed something: VE voted along with me on Ghost very rapidly after my case. A quick bandwagon, if you will. I'd imagine that would fit into your case and I'm curious how come you didn't notice it or emitted it out of your case.

 
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 Artanis[Xp]   Netherlands. June 08 2012 06:59. Posts 3458
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I was suspicious of Navillus but looking through his filter I feel I was wrong, and I don't find him suspicious right now. Ghost's suspicion went down a bit after clarifying he was sarcastic, which I took a bit too serious, but he is still on the radar until further contributions. Hyaach is like the perfect mislynch candidate: His posts are generally confused. Town is confused because they don't know who their allies are and who their enemies are. Mafia knows who their allies are and who their enemies are, therefore a newbie being confused is a town trait in my eyes.

So who DO I want to see hang? I'd like to take a closer look at Zelblade. Pandain pointed at him too and I agree with the assertion that he's been too lurky, even if he has been busy. His posts have left a bad impression on me, such as how he basically played a question game and let everyone else do the work for him in the start before making a statement, therefore having more information and being able to make a more 'safe' post. Also goes after Hyaach, pandain, and generally seems to follow the flow, though this is supposedly his natural town play, that's not something I'm accepting this easily and I want to see him step up his posting as he said he will.

I also find Katina mildly suspicious for reasons stated above in my earlier case.
 
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 Blazinghand   United States. June 08 2012 06:59. Posts 12224
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I don't like that we haven't heard from Hyaach in a day, and before that he's barely posted at all. He hasn't made any cases, except to say he's null on VE. He makes a vague case on pand:

On June 06 2012 22:45 Hyaach wrote:
Late to the party but did no one thought that Pand was fishing for information when he asked Masons to claim?
He could very likely be a SK as well but either way his scum.


The rest of it is bad excuses and unhelpful justification for his actions:

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Along with the vaguest of pressures on Furerkip.

Hyaach is a guy who has failed to make any sort of case or contribute in any major way since the start of the game. He's no Furerkip in terms of inactivity, but I don't like it, and I don't like him.




I was thinking G_403 was scummy, but really he hasn't been interacting much with anyone but MrZ. This caught my eye though, near the end of D1:


On June 07 2012 03:02 ghost_403 wrote:
B) I don't like how this Pandain lynch is going along. I don't believe his claim, but I'm not convinced he's scum. He could simply be an idiot townie trying to draw mafia shots toward himself for whatever reason. I'm not comfortable lynching him today.


I'm actually not sure what I think about this. What we have here is G_403 basically calling exactly what's going to happen to pandain. He either had a great read or was scum. I guess my question is, G_403, where was the attempt to convince us that this was the case? You can't just plop your vote down on MrZ and bail and hope we all just follow you.




I don't like Katina's play this game. I mean, obviously I don't like the play that targets me, but there's some really suspect stuff imo. A lot of leaps in logic and mis-characterizations. I'm really unfamiliar with Katina's meta but check it:


On June 07 2012 07:16 Katina wrote:
He comes out of nowhere with this post because he knows that people love to kill him and/or check him night 1. This is an attempt to divert suspicion from him and to ignore any evidence suggesting otherwise because he made it known early on.



This is just wrong. VE gets a ton of suspicion since we know we can't check him...



On June 07 2012 07:16 Katina wrote:
VE is over emphasizing his Millerness. It reminds me of Bill Murray in jubjub where he got checked before the mafia converted him, and he just kept emphasizing that he was innocent cause he got checked.


VE has been posting a lot and never mentioned his millerness after that initial claim and some questions.



On June 07 2012 07:16 Katina wrote:
Also we should kill blazinghand.

._.


How much of this is just false? How much of it is misleading? Answer: yes. yes it is.




Hope to see tomorrow <3 where I will be pressuring these 3 if I'm alive.

No posts on furerkip because he's scum and will die like scum.
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 Blazinghand   United States. June 08 2012 07:00. Posts 12224
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especially hyaach. ugh.
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 wherebugsgo   United States. June 08 2012 07:00. Posts 7938
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Day 2


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The fourth night following the heist was quiet. The few in the city who still sought justice discovered that the man killed at dusk was merely another troubled, innocent citizen. Pandain and the other passed souls would be avenged, they pledged. Why was the government not helping? The question had been passed back and forth, but it was becoming apparent that perhaps this was bigger than a simple citywide rebellion because of a lack of power. This was no Indian Summer; this chaos had the machinations of a bigger, more troubled agency.

As the restless fought on to survive, the burning continued.

No one died.

48 hours to lynch. With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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 Blazinghand   United States. June 08 2012 07:02. Posts 12224
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._. I was RBed

Well I look like shit now don't I
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 Blazinghand   United States. June 08 2012 07:05. Posts 12224
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So my theory is that either A) mafia has an RB which they used on me, and then either their target or their shooter got JKed, or B) I got JKed, blocking my shot and the mafia shot that was on me.
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 Blazinghand   United States. June 08 2012 07:06. Posts 12224
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OH, or, alternatively, someone JKed Furerkip, who was both the mafia shooter and my target, stopping both shots.
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 Blazinghand   United States. June 08 2012 07:07. Posts 12224
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Whatever. Ok so we all know Furerkip needs to die. Do I need to reiterate why?

##vote: Furerkip
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 MrZentor   United States. June 08 2012 07:11. Posts 1541
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I would also suggest Ghost as a lynch candidate.
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 Artanis[Xp]   Netherlands. June 08 2012 07:11. Posts 3458
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Well, that's interesting.

Gonna have to think about what this means, but will do so later. Gotta go to bed now and get up early for tomorrow, Dutch Championships of gaming. No clue when I'll be able to jump in and post, it's a two day event but I don't think I'll get past day one. See y'all tomorrow.
 
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 wherebugsgo   United States. June 08 2012 07:41. Posts 7938
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All roleblock notifications are the same regardless of the responsible role. In other words, a jailed player, a mafia-roleblocked player, and a town-roleblocked player would all receive the same roleblock notification.

There are no hit notifications.
 
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