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| Blazinghand United States. June 02 2012 18:44. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
On June 02 2012 12:58 HiroPro wrote: My skills are not as good as BH. + Show Spoiler +
This actually isn't so bad. I rate it 8 out of 10 hat-eating ms paint arts.Last edit: 2012-06-02 18:44:54 |
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| Blazinghand United States. June 02 2012 20:15. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
Oh, well if it's not full, then I'm so
/in to play!
And I'm /out for cohosting.
EDIT: just for artanis:
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| Blazinghand United States. June 05 2012 07:43. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
Ah where would we be without a hilarious/bad VE claim?
On a more serious note, given that he's either lying scum OR actually a miller, there's no reason for a DT to check him-- whether he's lying or telling the truth the result is the same. |
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| Blazinghand United States. June 05 2012 07:49. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
On June 05 2012 07:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Ah where would we be without a hilarious/bad VE claim?
On a more serious note, given that he's either lying scum OR actually a miller, there's no reason for a DT to check him-- whether he's lying or telling the truth the result is the same.
Thank you. So which camp are you in BH? Hilarious or Bad? Because I think this is probably the best way to handle Miller right now.
If I'm a DT, I'm not going to check you. If I'm not a DT, I'm just going to ignore your claim for now and see whether or not you play like scum. You have a history of making claims at weird times as both town AND scum, so this doesn't tell me anything about your alignment. Your actions will. |
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| Blazinghand United States. June 05 2012 08:00. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
On June 05 2012 07:58 furerkip wrote:
In fact, if he turns Miller upon a lynch, then wouldn't that help us? Cop's reports can be trusted to a tee.
1) no, if he turns miller on a lynch, we just lynched a townie, which is bad.
2)
On June 02 2012 06:23 wherebugsgo wrote:Godfather+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] + Over the years, you've gone by a number of different names. Al Capone, Dick Cheney, Julius Caesar, Elmo, and Martha Stewart all come to mind. Now, however, you want to just retire. In order to do so, though, you must first kill everyone who is not part of your family, because you are highly allergic to non-related people. They make you sick. At your disposal is your uncanny ability to appear as anything you wish. As such you can choose to appear "innocent" to all investigations, if you so wish. By night one you must decide whether you want to mask yourself to investigations. You may also communicate privately with your family member(s) name(s) here in any manner you wish. A QT has been provided at (link here) for your convenience. blahblahblah standard scum fluff here you win when you outnumber town your teammates are here and you have a QT here, you may target one person per night, causing them to display the opposite alignment to any cops who choose to investigate them for that night only. You may not target yourself. You crazy. And probably illiterate. You like feet.
Since it doesn't matter what I tell you, just kill everything. You win if you live and no one else does.
You can choose to appear innocent to all checks or have the ability to survive one KP once. You can kill one person every night, but you don't have to.
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| Blazinghand United States. June 05 2012 08:11. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
On June 05 2012 08:07 furerkip wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 08:00 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 05 2012 07:58 furerkip wrote:
In fact, if he turns Miller upon a lynch, then wouldn't that help us? Cop's reports can be trusted to a tee.
1) no, if he turns miller on a lynch, we just lynched a townie, which is bad. 2)
On June 02 2012 06:23 wherebugsgo wrote:Godfather+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] + Over the years, you've gone by a number of different names. Al Capone, Dick Cheney, Julius Caesar, Elmo, and Martha Stewart all come to mind. Now, however, you want to just retire. In order to do so, though, you must first kill everyone who is not part of your family, because you are highly allergic to non-related people. They make you sick. At your disposal is your uncanny ability to appear as anything you wish. As such you can choose to appear "innocent" to all investigations, if you so wish. By night one you must decide whether you want to mask yourself to investigations. You may also communicate privately with your family member(s) name(s) here in any manner you wish. A QT has been provided at (link here) for your convenience. blahblahblah standard scum fluff here you win when you outnumber town your teammates are here and you have a QT here, you may target one person per night, causing them to display the opposite alignment to any cops who choose to investigate them for that night only. You may not target yourself. You crazy. And probably illiterate. You like feet.
Since it doesn't matter what I tell you, just kill everything. You win if you live and no one else does.
You can choose to appear innocent to all checks or have the ability to survive one KP once. You can kill one person every night, but you don't have to.
That didn't make any sense, Serial Killers and Godfathers choose to be innocent; if he's a mafia he'll be framer or goon. Lynching townies is game ending on lynch or lose situations. Lynching bad townies on ML is actually okay in my experience. Makes for better 3-way lynches. As for the framer part, you have a good point. Anyways, it seems no one agrees with me, which makes me feel like I'm tunneling, but my FoS is still VE. I'll leave it at that, and won't press it, until I see another scumslip from him.
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*whoosh*
^-- the sound of my quote going over your head. Let me try this again, maybe you'll understand this time.
On June 05 2012 07:58 furerkip wrote:
In fact, if he turns Miller upon a lynch, then wouldn't that help us? Cop's reports can be trusted to a tee.
Emphasis mine.
On June 02 2012 06:23 wherebugsgo wrote:Godfather+ Show Spoiler [possible role PM] + Over the years, you've gone by a number of different names. Al Capone, Dick Cheney, Julius Caesar, Elmo, and Martha Stewart all come to mind. Now, however, you want to just retire. In order to do so, though, you must first kill everyone who is not part of your family, because you are highly allergic to non-related people. They make you sick. At your disposal is your uncanny ability to appear as anything you wish. As such you can choose to appear "innocent" to all investigations, if you so wish. By night one you must decide whether you want to mask yourself to investigations. You may also communicate privately with your family member(s) name(s) here in any manner you wish. A QT has been provided at (link here) for your convenience. blahblahblah standard scum fluff here you win when you outnumber town your teammates are here and you have a QT here, you may target one person per night, causing them to display the opposite alignment to any cops who choose to investigate them for that night only. You may not target yourself. You crazy. And probably illiterate. You like feet.
Since it doesn't matter what I tell you, just kill everything. You win if you live and no one else does.
You can choose to appear innocent to all checks or have the ability to survive one KP once. You can kill one person every night, but you don't have to.
There's no need to get all moody about it. The point is, there are mechanics in this game to confuse cops other than miller. |
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| Blazinghand United States. June 05 2012 08:17. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
Lynching based on scumslips is bad. Lynching based on scum play and scumminess is good.
My #1 goal is lynching scum. I don't lynch townies, I don't lynch "for information" and I certainly don't aim specifically at "retarded town". If town players happen to die as we lynch down the list of scummiest players, so be it-- but we must try to avoid lynching town as much as possible. If we lynch town, don't be happy, be solemn. Maybe be mad at him for playing like scum. |
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| Blazinghand United States. June 05 2012 08:37. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
On June 05 2012 08:34 furerkip wrote:
Okay, I have a question for all of you:
Under what evidence should we lynch people, if not for scumslips?
You lynch people off of scummy play. Town players tend to promote activity and interactions, and overall pressure people and provide analysis. Scum players literally cannot play as town as town players, because they know who scum is, they must play differently-- scummily. There are some scumslips that only scum can make, but most of what are considered "scumslips" are things that are done equally often by town and scum.
A classic example of this was during one of my games (I think it was LI) I referred to the town as "you guys" when I was a VT. A major scumslip. The fact of the matter is, looking for little slips of the tongue or word might be helpful, but it might also lead you to bark up the wrong tree just as often. Behavioral analysis is much better. |
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| Blazinghand United States. June 05 2012 08:42. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
| That being said, if you think you have a solid case based on scumslips, that's fine-- feel free to present it and see how other people feel. I typically find such cases to be relatively tenuous, but I won't dismiss it out of hand before reading it. |
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| Blazinghand United States. June 06 2012 07:01. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
| MrZ why don't you think I'm scum |
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| Blazinghand United States. June 06 2012 07:08. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2012 07:05 VisceraEyes wrote:BH really? This is all you have to say to the accusations against you?
The accusations to me are "BH isn't hunting scum or pressuring anyone" which... well, it's actually true. I haven't been hunting scum or pressuring anyone. Although I personally know I'm town, I could see how you could make that meta argument (though you'll note that since my ban I haven't been swearing in games though so don't expect any of that.). The only way for me to exonerate myself is to find scum, so I'm gonna go do that. Or would you rather I waste everyone's time arguing about whether or not I should have been hunting scum during the first few posts in the game?
I'm gonna go hunt scum. You've already voted for me, there's nothing more you can do to hurt me. |
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| Blazinghand United States. June 06 2012 07:27. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
MrZ is scum. Check it:
On June 06 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote:
I don't think I'll ever have an accurate read on you, Blazinghand, but I would be interested in you explaining why you haven't bothered to accuse anybody yet.
See, that's funny, because I think your case against G_403 is scummy. I also think that this sentence you JUST SAID, this one right here, is the same one you call G_403 scummy for using:
On June 06 2012 05:00 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 22:31 ghost_403 wrote:
I buy VE's claim. His play doesn't make that much sense from a scum perspective. By claiming miller so early, you put yourself under a lot of scrutiny, and for what? So that the eventual DT check, which might not even be here (can someone point me to the role counts?) is void? Too much pressure for too little reward at this stage in the game. Of course, I've misread VE in something like 110% of the games I've played with him.
Furerkips posting has been remarkably anti-town up to this point. I still haven't decided what to make of that quite yet. Shraft points out that this could just be him acclimating to TLMafia environment, so I'll give him a bit more time before I start pushing for his lynch.
I appreciate VE pressuring Katina to chime in, but I think we all know that she will contribute on her own schedule. I'm not going to lynch her for that. I'm want to hear her thoughts on Furerkip.
First, he says that he believes VE to be miller, but he then says that he's probably wrong. This coupled with the fact that he thinks Furerkip is scum makes me suspicious.
Isn't that interesting? G_403 and you both seem to be very unsure of yourselves reading VE and myself.
Still, the Ghost waffling case is all very reasonable, not counting the fact that you've said the same thing:
On June 06 2012 05:00 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:11 ghost_403 wrote:
@artanis: That's just not true; VE always dies in the first 72 hours of the game. No way he'll get checked.
As far as Furer, there was a post or two of his that looked scummy rather than newbie town. I'll go back and find them in a bit.
I can't wait for him to try to make some of Furer's posts look scummy. ##Vote: ghost_403
What G_403 says here is null. Although there are scum who do this to delay, there are town players who say this before going to bed or whatever. MrZ quotes it like it's some sort of evidence then says "I can't wait" as though that's analysis, but don't be tricked! It's not!
You see, leading up to this moment, Pandain and VE both pressured MrZ, and VE put a vote on G403:
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On June 06 2012 01:30 Pandain wrote:I think Mr. Zentor is very suspicious, and should be looked at instead. He's offered very weak arguments, suggesting he does not want to force his opinion onto the town. He's offered vague statements that do not really put himself out there("a bit rash", "would probably", "I think, but we should") which do not prove him being mafia but merely cause me to be watchful.
On June 06 2012 02:02 VisceraEyes wrote:I agree with your points on Zentor. I'm very interested to hear what else he has to say. I'm also suspicious of ghost. Again, very wishy-washy and very non-committal. Although he seems to be aware of what's happening, he's very absent. He claims to buy my claim, but is content to discuss it ad nauseum.
On June 06 2012 03:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah okay, that's fair I think. I haven't read the analysis in question or anything, but if what you're saying is true then I'm down with a ghost lynch.
##Vote: ghost_403
I think I should point out however that he could just be lazy townie in this instance, but based on what we've pointed out here I think he's got a good enough chance of flipping scum to lynch. Who else is down with a ghost lynch?
On June 06 2012 03:34 Snarfs wrote:
I agree that MrZentor and ghost are playing what I'd deem cautious. I'd really like to hear more from MrZentor though, as he seemed cautious even before the game started (asking wbg if he could be in the game, etc.)
And of course MrZ doesn't have the balls to go after me. His natural response is to attack the guy who's got votes and FoSes on him, and try to dig up some vaguely scummy statements (That he himself has also made).
"Now, perhaps G_403 is scum"
Have you ever played with G_403? Here's a typical post of his from LI:
On April 22 2012 08:46 ghost_403 wrote:
@paq: Why do you care so much what I think about you? I'm not going to try and lynch you today, and I don't think that your alignment says anything about Mattchew.
@marv: I agree with gonzaw. Stop giving us excuses and help us find scum. Pending the results of his usefulness, I think I'm not disinclined to lynching Marv today.
He's always like this. His scum meta is to lurk a lot:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=309405&user=104946
G_403 is just being typical G_403 and MrZ had pressure on him and looked for an easy vote, which he thought would be G_403 and not me.
He was wrong.
##vote: MrZentor
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| Blazinghand United States. June 06 2012 07:42. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2012 07:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's closer to what I've come to expect BH thank you.
Now, did you miss Katina's post that tells a very different tale of Ghost's typical town-play? I'm about to go back and find which is the truth, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on Katina if you please BH.
I'd say that Katina's probably town. Katina typically doesn't put any effort into Mafia games as scum LIV But as town, is more aggressive and makes cases like this: (Liar Game Case). Contrast Katina's case in MtG as scum: (link) in which Katina just reiterates other points people have already made, and is slightly wishy-washy about it as well.
The aggressive case against me indicates that this is more of Katina's town meta than scum meta, imo. All this of course pending further posting.
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| Blazinghand United States. June 06 2012 07:43. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
| EBWOP: the link to Katina's LIV filter is broken. working verison: (link) |
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| Blazinghand United States. June 06 2012 07:44. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
| Oh shoot Blazinghand is being all helpful and shit and now you all feel dumb for voting him don't you |
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| Blazinghand United States. June 06 2012 08:02. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
| So I guess MrZ just bailed |
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| Blazinghand United States. June 06 2012 09:09. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
I'd like to hear what MrZ and Navillus have to say about each other.
Currently their most recent positions are:
On June 06 2012 06:14 MrZentor wrote:
Because Navillus accuses me of doing that, he picks somebody whom nobody has accused, regardless of how suspicious Hyaach actually is. (Hyaach seems to be a lot like furerkip, a bit anti town but not scummy.)
In summary, he votes for somebody who isn't really suspicious, just so he himself doesn't look suspicious.
Guilty much?
Which seems like a pretty aggressive case compared to his relatively mild G_403 case.
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On June 06 2012 05:51 Navillus wrote:
Now looking at the votes on him I get suspicious, VE's vote which is now moved was very fast and didn't go on much, he basically read a couple of posts where artanis points this stuff out and says his meta is different and jumps on. This is suspicious but even more FOS: Mr.Zentor he has a couple posts about VE that don't indicate much then his first post where he says something solid is him jumping on ghost for 1. admitting that he is bad at reading VE which makes no sense and 2. for not following up on furer which I've mentioned. It just looks like Zentor isn't trying to talk about reads or cases, he just wanted to jump in and vote someone people were already suspicious of
Which seems like a pretty aggressive case compared to his relatively mild Hyaach case.
This looks to me like 2 players who seem interested in making cases at each other without voting each other. Which is scummy. Distancing is a typical scum tactic.
Also:
On June 06 2012 06:14 MrZentor wrote:
I voted for ghost, because he's the most suspicious person. Whether or not other people also think he's scummy is irrelevant.
This is so bad I'm not even sure it's scummy. Like, whether or not people think someone is scummy is super relevant. If you think ghost is scum, you should make a really good case and convince everyone he's scummy. You can't lynch him unless other people also think he's scummy. It's like the most relevant thing in the world, and it's kinda the reason you make a case along with your vote. |
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| Blazinghand United States. June 06 2012 09:17. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2012 09:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's almost as if MrZ is trying too hard to put on an air of "I don't give a shit if I'm scummy"-townie isn't it?
Ugh...as I said, I'm going to go home and flow-chart this shite and see if anything jumps out at me.
BH can I ask what brought on the change in playstyle? I mean, not that I mind - but I DO kinda miss the fun-loving Paint-slinging BH of old. I understand the bit about you toning down your language, but that doesn't account for the other nuances that made you such a joy to play with...what gives bro?
If you check my most recent games you'll notice this was the case there as well. After getting banned from iGrok's game I decided to rethink my overly aggressive gif/mspaint posting style in which I called people shitty dicks. |
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| Blazinghand United States. June 06 2012 11:13. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
| Pandain I want to hear your thoughts on MrZ and Navi |
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| Blazinghand United States. June 06 2012 11:14. Posts 12202 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2012 10:57 Pandain wrote:
Scum tries so hard to make a case that they end up being aggressive on a personal level, almost condenscending.
I've heard a lot of complaints about my play throughout the years but "It's weird that blazinghand is so aggressive" is not one I'm familiar with. |
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