| L_Master United States. June 03 2012 06:57. Posts 3495 | Profile Blog # |
To the extent that there is an obesity problem – and I think the “epidemic” is more than a little overblown – you don’t solve it by removing choices. You solve it by encouraging the kids to make better choices.
I agree with the second half of your statement for sure, but disagree strongly with the first half.
If anything it's an understatement. Two thirds of American's are overweight and of those HALF are obese. That's beyond absurd.
Even worse, an estimated 15-20% of children are obese. One in five children obese. To me that's just unreal and horrific, especially given the detriments obesity has on ones quality of life especially in formative years. The fact that so many children are obese makes it pretty clear how bad this is as that is probably the parents fault 9/10 times but so many adults are clueless about what they are eating and how it's effecting them that they can't even prevent their children from becoming fat. |
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| Zooper31 United States. June 03 2012 07:05. Posts 3426 | Profile # |
Survival of the strongest, or fittest in this case imo. Stupid people will continue to be stupid and eventually they will cease to exist. Might sound a little morbid but our population is out of control on this planet and we could use a little "thinning" lol.
If fat people wanna be fat after all the bad information we give them, then so be it, let them be fat and die off. |
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| tdt United States. June 03 2012 07:32. Posts 3096 | Profile # |
On June 03 2012 06:57 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +To the extent that there is an obesity problem – and I think the “epidemic” is more than a little overblown – you don’t solve it by removing choices. You solve it by encouraging the kids to make better choices.
I agree with the second half of your statement for sure, but disagree strongly with the first half. If anything it's an understatement. Two thirds of American's are overweight and of those HALF are obese. That's beyond absurd. Even worse, an estimated 15-20% of children are obese. One in five children obese. To me that's just unreal and horrific, especially given the detriments obesity has on ones quality of life especially in formative years. The fact that so many children are obese makes it pretty clear how bad this is as that is probably the parents fault 9/10 times but so many adults are clueless about what they are eating and how it's effecting them that they can't even prevent their children from becoming fat.
So what? ALL Studies show obese and smokers are cheaper to care for.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05iht-obese.1.9748884.html
Besides it's a free country or supposed to be. If ppl want to be fat and unhealthy let them be. It's not like ppl are force feeding that garbage down thier throat. It's a free choice.
Smokers and fat ppl are actually doing us a favor but I guess creating more govt and more govt jobs is more important than economics or really doing something about health like manditory exercise and fitness levels.Last edit: 2012-06-03 07:36:44 |
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| Dekoth United States. June 03 2012 07:41. Posts 491 | Profile # |
On June 03 2012 07:32 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 06:57 L_Master wrote:
To the extent that there is an obesity problem – and I think the “epidemic” is more than a little overblown – you don’t solve it by removing choices. You solve it by encouraging the kids to make better choices.
I agree with the second half of your statement for sure, but disagree strongly with the first half. If anything it's an understatement. Two thirds of American's are overweight and of those HALF are obese. That's beyond absurd. Even worse, an estimated 15-20% of children are obese. One in five children obese. To me that's just unreal and horrific, especially given the detriments obesity has on ones quality of life especially in formative years. The fact that so many children are obese makes it pretty clear how bad this is as that is probably the parents fault 9/10 times but so many adults are clueless about what they are eating and how it's effecting them that they can't even prevent their children from becoming fat.
So what? ALL Studies show obese and smokers are cheaper to care for. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05iht-obese.1.9748884.htmlBesides it's a free country or supposed to be. If ppl want to be fat and unhealthy let them be. It's not like ppl are force feeding that garbage down thier throat. It's a free choice. Smokers and fat ppl are actually doing us a favor but I guess creating more govt and more govt jobs is more important than economics or really doing something about health like manditory exercise and fitness levels.
Quoting a single study..done in the netherlands and printed by the ny times is hardly a compelling argument.
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| AndAgain United States. June 03 2012 07:42. Posts 2486 | Profile # |
| Let's not forget that the obesity problem has been exacerbated by government when they propagated the idea that we should eat more carbs/HFCS rather than fat in the 1970's. Those bureaucrats and state sponsored scientists were about as smart and as convinced they're right as the ones today. The bottom line is that the spreading of information should be as private and decentralized as possible. Otherwise, you get the crowding out of ideas due to government funding (which, naturally, has its own agenda.) |
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| ralffriend Germany. June 03 2012 09:29. Posts 86 | Profile # |
Kinda funny
I expected the American food industry to be more powerful and influencing to the government. How can they let such a law get through congress?^^ |
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| imCookies United States. June 03 2012 09:36. Posts 80 | Profile Blog # |
On June 02 2012 10:05 1Eris1 wrote:
Banning things like food/alcohol/drugs/etc almost never works. It just encourages people to rebel and use them anyways, often more then they normally would. Your best bet is just slapping a sin tax on things like that and trying to educate people as to why it's bad.
this.
Also the government is most likely to be doing this due to the fact being overweight leads to health issues. Then again this is something i feel parents need to enforce. Whether or not my kid can have xyz should be solely up to me. The government seems to always overstepping its boundries.
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| Bigtony United States. June 03 2012 10:10. Posts 892 | Profile Blog # |
On June 03 2012 09:36 imCookies wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 10:05 1Eris1 wrote:
Banning things like food/alcohol/drugs/etc almost never works. It just encourages people to rebel and use them anyways, often more then they normally would. Your best bet is just slapping a sin tax on things like that and trying to educate people as to why it's bad.
this. Also the government is most likely to be doing this due to the fact being overweight leads to health issues. Then again this is something i feel parents need to enforce. Whether or not my kid can have xyz should be solely up to me. The government seems to always overstepping its boundries.
This hasn't changed. You can still bring whatever you want for lunch, the school just won't sell it to you.
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| askTeivospy June 03 2012 10:12. Posts 1495 | Profile Blog # |
It shouldn't be allowed for people to say "studies show" bleh bleh bleh and then reference something that isn't a study
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 Nancial June 03 2012 10:20. Posts 174 | Profile # |
Stupid people are governed by even more stupid people.
In the meanwhile african kids die facepalming @ you USA. keep up the good job ;] |
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 micronesia United States. June 03 2012 12:13. Posts 19323 | Profile Blog # |
On June 03 2012 07:05 Zooper31 wrote:
Survival of the strongest, or fittest in this case imo. Stupid people will continue to be stupid and eventually they will cease to exist. Might sound a little morbid but our population is out of control on this planet and we could use a little "thinning" lol.
If fat people wanna be fat after all the bad information we give them, then so be it, let them be fat and die off.
The poor and fat will reproduce before their poor health kills them... and most of us agree that letting their offspring die off to punish the parents is not the right way to go about things.
In other words, this is currently not a self-correcting problem. |
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| Romantic United States. June 03 2012 12:49. Posts 1830 | Profile # |
One of the major problems society faces is that we prevent nature from occurring. Stupid people are reproducing more than smart ones. We don't let anyone die any more because of our modern sensibilities. Not the old, not the stupid, not the criminal, certainly not the children, and we've got the high taxes and nanny state to prove it. We'll do all of it even if it subsidizes bad decisions. A dose of good old libertarianism might be all the eugenics we need.
Older I get, more cynical I become. Getting tired of people trying to prevent me from drinking Coke or trying to dietfoodize popcorn at theaters because some people are fat asses, but food is the least of the problem.
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| Chunhyang Bangladesh. June 03 2012 13:01. Posts 1349 | Profile # |
| They need to do what the movies/music people did against piracy. Brainwash the students over time. |
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| Chunhyang Bangladesh. June 03 2012 13:03. Posts 1349 | Profile # |
On June 03 2012 12:13 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 07:05 Zooper31 wrote:
Survival of the strongest, or fittest in this case imo. Stupid people will continue to be stupid and eventually they will cease to exist. Might sound a little morbid but our population is out of control on this planet and we could use a little "thinning" lol.
If fat people wanna be fat after all the bad information we give them, then so be it, let them be fat and die off.
The poor and fat will reproduce before their poor health kills them... and most of us agree that letting their offspring die off to punish the parents is not the right way to go about things. In other words, this is currently not a self-correcting problem.
The failure of prohibition policies might be blamed a great deal on lack of enforcement.
Tax people are pretty good at enforcement, relatively.
Slap an excise tax on certain appropriate purchases and sales. |
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| Chunhyang Bangladesh. June 03 2012 13:05. Posts 1349 | Profile # |
| Educate me. Why would a fat tax be unconstitutional in the U.S.? |
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| brokor Greece. June 03 2012 13:20. Posts 220 | Profile # |
| afaik every tax that doesn't have a direct benefit to the society ( "show me the money") is unconstitutional. you cannot simply tax without showing what you do with the money you collect. |
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| naastyOne June 03 2012 13:31. Posts 444 | Profile # |
On June 02 2012 10:10 Chargelot wrote:
Federal dollars, federal issue. If the schools want to police themselves, they can fund themselves too.
Next.
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| L_Master United States. June 03 2012 14:38. Posts 3495 | Profile Blog # |
On June 03 2012 07:32 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 06:57 L_Master wrote:
To the extent that there is an obesity problem – and I think the “epidemic” is more than a little overblown – you don’t solve it by removing choices. You solve it by encouraging the kids to make better choices.
I agree with the second half of your statement for sure, but disagree strongly with the first half. If anything it's an understatement. Two thirds of American's are overweight and of those HALF are obese. That's beyond absurd. Even worse, an estimated 15-20% of children are obese. One in five children obese. To me that's just unreal and horrific, especially given the detriments obesity has on ones quality of life especially in formative years. The fact that so many children are obese makes it pretty clear how bad this is as that is probably the parents fault 9/10 times but so many adults are clueless about what they are eating and how it's effecting them that they can't even prevent their children from becoming fat.
So what? ALL Studies show obese and smokers are cheaper to care for. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05iht-obese.1.9748884.htmlBesides it's a free country or supposed to be. If ppl want to be fat and unhealthy let them be. It's not like ppl are force feeding that garbage down thier throat. It's a free choice.Smokers and fat ppl are actually doing us a favor but I guess creating more govt and more govt jobs is more important than economics or really doing something about health like manditory exercise and fitness levels.
I can somewhat understand this point, especially if it does become more clear that obesity/poor health doesn't end up costing more long term.
The big issue I have though is child obesity. This is usually NOT choice, and as I mentioned before childhood obesity rates are 15-20% nationwide for America; which of course means there is like an additional 20%+ that is overweight.
The reason I say this is not a choice is by and large until at least middle school, if not high school, what your diet consists of as well as your exercise comes from ones parents. If kids are fat by the time they are 5,8, or even 12 it is almost certainly not their fault nor choice.
Then, by the time they are old enough to be really cognizant of the problem, it's much too late. They are faced with a massive task of loosing 30, 50, or even 100+ pounds of weight and as if that weren't bad enough they have ingrained life habits, attitudes, and beliefs that are diametrically opposed to losing weight. It's extremely difficult to overcome at this stage.
The bottom line is that there is no excuse for this, and in my opinion this is extremely negligent parenting. In my opinion it borders on criminal levels of negligence. With the relatively uncommon exceptions of children with various hormone or physiological problems there is no excuse for one's children to become obese.
If anything this might be why I am concerned about obesity as a whole, not so much because of how it impacts the lives of obese adults because as you said, that's their choice, but because of the lifestyles obese people tend to lead. Generally, these people don't lead active lifestyles, and obviously don't have a proper diet (unless of course there are hormone/systemic problems at work) . This makes it very difficult to model a healthy lifestyle for a kid and there is obvious a big disconnect if the parents tell their kid about what to eat/how to eat right and how to exercise consistently but then model for their children the except opposite. |
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| Zahir United States. June 03 2012 14:53. Posts 908 | Profile # |
Jesus, let the kid have a damned soda.
I would hardly call some wags in the school store selling soda a black market though. I pictured something like the drug sellers in my high school, this is clearly sensationalist. |
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| 1Eris1 United States. June 03 2012 14:56. Posts 5797 | Profile # |
On June 03 2012 07:32 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 03 2012 06:57 L_Master wrote:
To the extent that there is an obesity problem – and I think the “epidemic” is more than a little overblown – you don’t solve it by removing choices. You solve it by encouraging the kids to make better choices.
I agree with the second half of your statement for sure, but disagree strongly with the first half. If anything it's an understatement. Two thirds of American's are overweight and of those HALF are obese. That's beyond absurd. Even worse, an estimated 15-20% of children are obese. One in five children obese. To me that's just unreal and horrific, especially given the detriments obesity has on ones quality of life especially in formative years. The fact that so many children are obese makes it pretty clear how bad this is as that is probably the parents fault 9/10 times but so many adults are clueless about what they are eating and how it's effecting them that they can't even prevent their children from becoming fat.
So what? ALL Studies show obese and smokers are cheaper to care for. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05iht-obese.1.9748884.htmlBesides it's a free country or supposed to be. If ppl want to be fat and unhealthy let them be. It's not like ppl are force feeding that garbage down thier throat. It's a free choice. Smokers and fat ppl are actually doing us a favor but I guess creating more govt and more govt jobs is more important than economics or really doing something about health like manditory exercise and fitness levels.
Ehh, that's kind of a flawed study. One, it doesn't (not saying it necessarily could, but it doesn't regardless) take into the health costs that smokers impose on other people through second-hand smoke, nor does it include the fact that obese people would contribute less during their work period (given that they are more prone to be sick, as indicated by the study) and thus leading to less revenue.
It's also just one study. And the fact that apparentely during the study more of the healthy people had strokes then the obese people really makes me question if such a small sample size is even realistically comparable. |
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