| rofllocktree Netherlands. August 05 2012 12:39. Posts 40 | Profile # |
omg 1 finger 2 buttons, thats genius!
and I don't have it all the time when im changing cameras because i hit CTRL+SHIFT + a button but if I hit just CTRL and then SHIFT it changes all the time, maybe just my mistake  |
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| ellaguru United States. August 05 2012 12:42. Posts 28 | Profile # |
On August 05 2012 06:54 JDub wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 05:42 BlackPanther wrote:
I'm not sure I agree with the reasoning with why the thumb needs to press shift rather than the pinky. I have no trouble using the pinky for shift at all. It doesn't bother after long SC2 sessions and it's not as if the shift key requires a large amount of force to press down. If anything, people are inherently used to using their left pinky to press shift and no one has the need to remap buttons away from their pinky so I don't see why using the thumb would improve shift key usage. It may be a stronger finger but I find that my thumb is no more quicker than my pinky.
I was in the same boat after my first day of trying to use The Core. Like, wtf mate, pressing ctrl/shift/alt with the thumb is just weird. The best argument for using the thumb on ctrl/shift/alt is simply this: it frees up all 4 of your other fingers on the keyboard. With typical hotkey layouts, you have your thumb resting around space bar, and unless you are using space bar, you do not use your thumb whatsoever. So, for any commands that involve ctrl, shift, or alt, you have to use your pinky, and then you have 3 other fingers to press other keys. With TheCore, you have 4 fingers available to press hotkeys/cameras/abilities, etc. Is this a huge difference? No. Is it awkward to press ctrl/shift/alt with your thumb at first? Yes. Does it take a bit of extra learning time to get used to it? Yes. Is it worth it? For me, I think so. For everyone, I don't know. But I do think there is good reasoning behind the decision.
this is a pretty good point that has probably gone understated. in a standard layout or Grid you dont use the thumb at all.
using the Core is like getting an extra finger.
you could say the arguments for the Core are unproven, but I feel they are sound. Making your fingers move less is faster. Keeping your hand in one position is better than stretching it all over the keyboard. Having ctrl groups 7 though 0 and most cameras out of reach is something we should want to fix. and things like Grid dont do the job.
i've yet to hear of a person putting in the time to convert to the Core, and switching back. standard layouts and grid cannot claim to do anything better than the Core does. the only thing they have going for them is that they're familiar. |
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| rofllocktree Netherlands. August 05 2012 13:51. Posts 40 | Profile # | |
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| QUECOSA August 05 2012 14:29. Posts 1 | Profile # |
Playing the core TRM and go like this on a BIO Style
Ctrl+O CCs
Ctrl+; Barracks/Bay
Ctrl+P Army
Ctrl+L Starport
Playing the core TRM and go like this on a BIO/Tank Style
Ctrl+O CC
Ctrl+; Barracks/Bay
Ctrl+P Army/Eva
Ctrl+[ Tanks/Drops
Ctrl+L Factory
Ctrl+0 Starport
I am still working on the beest use of Control Groups, any idea on TRM?
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| Snoodles August 05 2012 16:03. Posts 393 | Profile # |
On August 05 2012 11:37 rofllocktree wrote:
1:When I use the Jump to camera hotkey with CTRL+SHIFT+ O for example, the CTRL+SHIFT activates something on my computer and after that my "' ' button is suddenly becoming the gather button and the buttons for build structure and build advanced structure are changed as well.
Very simple. You have multiple keyboard layouts active and ctrl-shift is the hotkey you have set up to switch between them. Change it to something else or turn it off. |
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| Hancho Germany. August 05 2012 18:18. Posts 49 | Profile # |
On August 05 2012 14:29 QUECOSA wrote:
Playing the core TRM and go like this on a BIO Style
Ctrl+O CCs
Ctrl+; Barracks/Bay
Ctrl+P Army
Ctrl+L Starport
Playing the core TRM and go like this on a BIO/Tank Style
Ctrl+O CC
Ctrl+; Barracks/Bay
Ctrl+P Army/Eva
Ctrl+[ Tanks/Drops
Ctrl+L Factory
Ctrl+0 Starport
I am still working on the beest use of Control Groups, any idea on TRM?
have you tried that?
Data Document Column: Z-AA Row:31-40P CC/Ebay/Acad/Arm/Fcore O Rax/Fact/Port/Rtech/Ftech/Ptech ; Army L Tanks/Ghosts 0 M&M 9 Tanks/Ghosts [ Vikings - Harass = Harass . Harass
Lesson 2: Macro Control Groups
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After much consideration, we’ve concluded that subgroup production is generally the best way to macro. Here’s why:
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2: Speed
Having all the production facilities on one key (excluding CC, Nexus) allow you to check how everything is producing with one click, until you get over 24 production facilities. The select next subgroup (tab) button is now on a super easy key, making production faster. By having them all in one place, checking on the progress of an upgrade or colossus is just one click away. Everyone I’ve talked to finds that this actually improves their macro, and lets them spend more of their memory on other parts of the game.
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| Czarnodziej Poland. August 06 2012 00:22. Posts 567 | Profile # |
| Autocast abilities (Charge, Build Interceptors, SCV/Mule Repair, Medivac Heal and Burrow for zergs) need to be moved to non-camera keys, because having them on same keys disable the autocast hotkey, which is alt + whatever hotkey is used to activate that ability. |
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| 9-BiT United States. August 06 2012 05:00. Posts 409 | Profile Blog # |
| I don't want to use it before it comes out of beta. Are we expecting it coming out before hots? What is being changed? |
| | [QUOTE][B]On September 24 2012 01:14 AcesAnoka wrote:[/B] based fucking smuGG[/QUOTE] |
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| JaKaTaK United States. August 06 2012 06:55. Posts 1417 | Profile Blog # |
On August 06 2012 05:00 9-BiT wrote:
I don't want to use it before it comes out of beta. Are we expecting it coming out before hots? What is being changed?
It is hard to say if it will be released in full before HotS, when we don't know when HotS will be released. As far as HotS having an effect on TheCore, it will be minimal.
@czar
I'll check out the auto-ability stuff asap. Nice catch! :D
EDIT:
Hey guys, a ton of people of reddit have been giving me shit about not being in masters league, not being qualified to help people out, etc etc. I'm turning this negativity around and using it as an excuse to play more. Until all 3 accounts are in the Master's league I will prioritize playing over doing work on TheCore. Think of it as an extended test time where there will be very few if any changes to TheCore. I will still be reading all of your posts, as I always have, but after and inbetween playing, not before. After this phase is complete, we will likely be cracking right into the prep work to release TheCore 1.0. I hope you understand and respect this decision.
See you around,
JaKLast edit: 2012-08-06 12:39:38 |
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| poeticEnnui United States. August 06 2012 17:48. Posts 71 | Profile # |
| You'd better use The Core to get there! GL, HF, and your dedication is admirable. Last edit: 2012-08-07 13:04:17 |
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| Morik August 07 2012 01:47. Posts 59 | Profile # |
This looks interesting... do you have any conception of how much it might change between now and 1.0?
I don't want to try to learn it now if its going to change a lot from now to 1.0...
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| JaKaTaK United States. August 07 2012 02:05. Posts 1417 | Profile Blog # |
Thanks poetic, and of course I use TheCore.
@morik
There will likely be very little changes between now and 1.0. But i'm not making any promises because new information may come to light that we've yet to take into account. The beta has been going on for about 2 months now, so I'd like to feel as though all the bugs are worked out, but who knows, maybe there is a way we can do a major change that will drastically increase efficiency. We will never stop improving when we can. |
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| Hancho Germany. August 07 2012 04:03. Posts 49 | Profile # |
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SQcpi.png)
I've made mistakes?
There are maybe better solutions |
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| rofllocktree Netherlands. August 07 2012 09:31. Posts 40 | Profile # |
great overview, thx, makes me realise I still neet to add some buttons to my playing style.
@jakatak, good luck becoming masters and thanx again for improving my game a lot allready! |
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| SOURD1ESEL United States. August 07 2012 13:13. Posts 55 | Profile # |
| I think I may be slow. I really want to give this a go but I can't seem to figure out how. I have the hotkeys installed. But how do I know what to use for my base? Or army? Is "R" not super far away for probes? |
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| Hancho Germany. August 07 2012 15:04. Posts 49 | Profile # |
On August 07 2012 13:13 SOURD1ESEL wrote:
I think I may be slow. I really want to give this a go but I can't seem to figure out how. I have the hotkeys installed. But how do I know what to use for my base? Or army? Is "R" not super far away for probes?
which layout do you use? (race? left or right? with mouse buttons?)
have you watched the videos from OP or read the lessons (especially Lesson 1: Positioning)? |
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| VerdeCreed United States. August 08 2012 00:44. Posts 9 | Profile # |
JaKaTaK, first off I want to extend a giant "thank you" for all the hard work you have put into this layout.
I'm a low level player and had stopped playing StarCraft after season one because I felt that I would never invest the time into getting any better. A friend of mine got me back into this game a little over three months ago and I quickly grew frustrated with the key layout and started a bad attempt at remapping the keys.
A day later I found the core.
I loved the challenge of re-learning the keys, it gave me a great excuse to lose and not feel like my strategy was bad! Since then I still have yet to learn all the unit controls and spell casting mechanics, but the basics of injecting, camera movement, and macro have become muscle memory and feel incredibly natural!
Since then my APM has increased from an average of 30 to almost 90.
All that to say, yes experience at a high level is important and I think it is a fantastic idea to for you to break into master with this layout. But know that this layout is good, smart, and anyone, at any level could stand to benefit from it if they wanted to invest the time to learn. Again, thanks.
(And I look forward to watching you wind up in Masters before long!) |
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| 9-BiT United States. August 08 2012 03:38. Posts 409 | Profile Blog # |
| I guess I just wanted more of an estimate on when the core was going to be done, because I don't want to spend time learning something unless I'm sure that I can keep using it that way for a while, if you see what I'm saying. I don't want to get too used to something thats going to be changed. |
| | [QUOTE][B]On September 24 2012 01:14 AcesAnoka wrote:[/B] based fucking smuGG[/QUOTE] |
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| bgalang92 United States. August 08 2012 03:49. Posts 155 | Profile # |
| 9-BiT it's not important to wait anymore. Almost all the kinks have been removed, only small changes from here now. I use a slightly outdated version of theCore, but they are only minor differences. I have tried the new changes and find them unnecessary so I just keep was what was already decided on at an earlier date, this layout is still so much better than standard. It's already helped made me a 900+ pt Masters Toss (Rank 80 when I started using theCore to rank 22, about 400 points). Last edit: 2012-08-08 03:53:39 |
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| poeticEnnui United States. August 08 2012 04:31. Posts 71 | Profile # |
| JaK, you should stream yourself getting to Masters! :D |
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