| sandyph Singapore. June 05 2012 17:38. Posts 717 | Profile # |
On June 05 2012 02:03 Swift118 wrote:
This is what has killed d3 for me, once you hit Inferno Act 2 you either play a certain style to advance or farm for gold and if your lucky some items to sell so you can buy items from guys who advanced to Inferno act3-4 in the first 2 weeks by rolling high dps dh or wd and kiting like mofos so you will be able to actually fight elites/champion mobs and carry on.
This is the part that I still dont understand
Let say there are no DH/WD/WIZ exploit and there are less items from act 3&4 due to less people able to finish them in the first 2 weeks
isnt that mean :
1. Act 3&4 will items will cost a hell lot more than currently is,since there are less of them (economic 101)
2. You would need to grind even more to get more gold to buy those expensive items
Isnt that worse then the current scenario ???
Im still on Act3 Hell and even now I can get a good enough 10-20K items for my Monk which increase my armor/vit/dps by 30-40% |
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| nihoh Australia. June 05 2012 17:42. Posts 937 | Profile Blog # |
On June 05 2012 04:28 Bane_ wrote:Would people be in uproar if there was a reset of sorts around the time the RMAH comes out? Along the lines of: - Wiping out all inferno progress (so when you first log in after the patch it'd be like you just completed hell difficulty). - Removing all level 60 items from characters and the AH (anything 59 or below would remain). - Removing any gold above a cap of say 1 million per each level 60 character an account has. Nothing too brutal.  I just think it would be nice to see the endgame given a second chance if you will, so things could unfold in a more natural manner without the entire thing being cracked wide open by a combination of poorly designed skills, game mechanics and exploitative play. Obviously that would hinge upon having fixed enough of those to make such a reset even worth bothering with.
Nah Blizzard should add one more level above inferno with all the exploits being patched up that's ten times more heavy than inferno in stats and add some level 65 66 67 items to the game. They can call it DAMNATION or something. |
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| FetTerBender Germany. June 05 2012 18:23. Posts 638 | Profile # |
On June 05 2012 17:42 nihoh wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 04:28 Bane_ wrote:Would people be in uproar if there was a reset of sorts around the time the RMAH comes out? Along the lines of: - Wiping out all inferno progress (so when you first log in after the patch it'd be like you just completed hell difficulty). - Removing all level 60 items from characters and the AH (anything 59 or below would remain). - Removing any gold above a cap of say 1 million per each level 60 character an account has. Nothing too brutal. I just think it would be nice to see the endgame given a second chance if you will, so things could unfold in a more natural manner without the entire thing being cracked wide open by a combination of poorly designed skills, game mechanics and exploitative play. Obviously that would hinge upon having fixed enough of those to make such a reset even worth bothering with.
Nah Blizzard should add one more level above inferno with all the exploits being patched up that's ten times more heavy than inferno in stats and add some level 65 66 67 items to the game. They can call it DAMNATION or something.
Heh. This would be pretty awesome, but i dont see this happening.
On the other hand i cant imagine a reset, D2 was a long term because of the ladder resets, without a ladder D3 has nothing but the economy to excuse this resets. |
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| T0fuuu Australia. June 05 2012 19:04. Posts 2262 | Profile Blog # |
On June 05 2012 17:42 nihoh wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 04:28 Bane_ wrote:Would people be in uproar if there was a reset of sorts around the time the RMAH comes out? Along the lines of: - Wiping out all inferno progress (so when you first log in after the patch it'd be like you just completed hell difficulty). - Removing all level 60 items from characters and the AH (anything 59 or below would remain). - Removing any gold above a cap of say 1 million per each level 60 character an account has. Nothing too brutal. I just think it would be nice to see the endgame given a second chance if you will, so things could unfold in a more natural manner without the entire thing being cracked wide open by a combination of poorly designed skills, game mechanics and exploitative play. Obviously that would hinge upon having fixed enough of those to make such a reset even worth bothering with.
Nah Blizzard should add one more level above inferno with all the exploits being patched up that's ten times more heavy than inferno in stats and add some level 65 66 67 items to the game. They can call it DAMNATION or something.
Thats genius! however then people will bitch cos the first people to exploit and roll through damnation will be the same people that rushed and exploited to the end of inferno and then were able to exploit the game more to make their millions.
Imo they should of just added a level cap to each complete act of inferno cleared, 61 for act 1 63 for act 2 64 act3 and 65 act4. And made the best weapons lv65 required. So even if act3/4 gear was exploited and found its way to ah, people wouldnt be able to use it without clearing an act. That way we wouldnt have the same weapons from hell to end of inferno and there would actually be some more progression in gear. |
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| yeint Estonia. June 05 2012 21:02. Posts 2327 | Profile # |
On June 04 2012 16:21 norsK wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 15:44 yeint wrote:
On June 04 2012 14:19 norsK wrote:
Account hacked. gear/gold gone. two hardcore 60's.
There's been weeks of reports of account compromises, and still no authenticator? It's free ffs.
The only thing worse than this or dying in hardcore on my characters would be to have my cell phone alert me, and my girlfriend, that I have not been studying the last few weeks - but rather playing a computer game - and some nerd is logging in to my account.
I'm talking about an actual authenticator not the SMS nonsense. |
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| dmfg United Kingdom. June 05 2012 22:44. Posts 566 | Profile # |
On June 05 2012 17:31 bgx wrote:
Well i play HC and i enjoy playing there, but arent those kind of advices (go to HC) a proof that the problem exist? Going HC just to escape overinflated market just after 2 weeks since launch?
Im mortified what will happen in 2 months, when even HC will start to become inflated and SC will be playing "market" all day.
Blizz needs to cut the greed otherwise they are going to pigeon-hole D3 gameplay. Maybe im afraid of evolution, maybe thats the future, we will see.
People bitch that the market is oversaturated, and the same people bitch that the drop rates are too low.
You can't have it both ways. Things in D3 only have a relative value, not absolute. More common items only makes items cheaper relative to an arbitrary currency, it doesn't change how many you can afford. |
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| nihoh Australia. June 05 2012 22:47. Posts 937 | Profile Blog # |
On June 05 2012 19:04 T0fuuu wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:42 nihoh wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:28 Bane_ wrote:Would people be in uproar if there was a reset of sorts around the time the RMAH comes out? Along the lines of: - Wiping out all inferno progress (so when you first log in after the patch it'd be like you just completed hell difficulty). - Removing all level 60 items from characters and the AH (anything 59 or below would remain). - Removing any gold above a cap of say 1 million per each level 60 character an account has. Nothing too brutal. I just think it would be nice to see the endgame given a second chance if you will, so things could unfold in a more natural manner without the entire thing being cracked wide open by a combination of poorly designed skills, game mechanics and exploitative play. Obviously that would hinge upon having fixed enough of those to make such a reset even worth bothering with.
Nah Blizzard should add one more level above inferno with all the exploits being patched up that's ten times more heavy than inferno in stats and add some level 65 66 67 items to the game. They can call it DAMNATION or something.
Thats genius! however then people will bitch cos the first people to exploit and roll through damnation will be the same people that rushed and exploited to the end of inferno and then were able to exploit the game more to make their millions. Imo they should of just added a level cap to each complete act of inferno cleared, 61 for act 1 63 for act 2 64 act3 and 65 act4. And made the best weapons lv65 required. So even if act3/4 gear was exploited and found its way to ah, people wouldnt be able to use it without clearing an act. That way we wouldnt have the same weapons from hell to end of inferno and there would actually be some more progression in gear.
Sup Tim. I said "after the exploits are patched" tho, so that means Aspect farming and Smoke Screen Crit nerf (which is nerfed already). Trickledown was due to instancing act 4 normal, go to pub, go to resume + kill aspect or go to chest or smash wahtever pots etc. If they patch that up everyone will be struggling thru the 5th difficulty for years with no trickle down (if that's what they want..), assuming there are no more Force armours and smoke screen exploits..
Anyway adding an extra level after everything is patched up would basically jsut be resetting inferno and removing items and money .. Blizz will never do it.Last edit: 2012-06-05 22:54:10 |
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| Avs Korea (North). June 06 2012 03:27. Posts 335 | Profile # |
| Artificial prices in AH currently and AH bot sniping makes the AH less attractive from previous weeks. If you don't understand that, don't even bother with economics or perception of value. |
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| antelope591 Canada. June 06 2012 03:30. Posts 790 | Profile # |
On June 05 2012 17:38 sandyph wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 02:03 Swift118 wrote:
This is what has killed d3 for me, once you hit Inferno Act 2 you either play a certain style to advance or farm for gold and if your lucky some items to sell so you can buy items from guys who advanced to Inferno act3-4 in the first 2 weeks by rolling high dps dh or wd and kiting like mofos so you will be able to actually fight elites/champion mobs and carry on.
This is the part that I still dont understand Let say there are no DH/WD/WIZ exploit and there are less items from act 3&4 due to less people able to finish them in the first 2 weeks isnt that mean : 1. Act 3&4 will items will cost a hell lot more than currently is,since there are less of them (economic 101) 2. You would need to grind even more to get more gold to buy those expensive items Isnt that worse then the current scenario ??? Im still on Act3 Hell and even now I can get a good enough 10-20K items for my Monk which increase my armor/vit/dps by 30-40%
Well you can look at it a couple of diff ways...right now Im vendoring 700-800dps items cause the're barely worth selling anymore. We've already reached a point like in D2 where only the godliest items are worth anything. Unlike D2 however theres no building a perfect char for pvp which could keep you busy for a long time. In a purely PvE game like this its important to have a gear progression curve. Godly or bust so early on is very bad for the long term health of this game. |
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| Skyro United States. June 06 2012 03:39. Posts 1414 | Profile # |
On June 05 2012 19:04 T0fuuu wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 17:42 nihoh wrote:
On June 05 2012 04:28 Bane_ wrote:Would people be in uproar if there was a reset of sorts around the time the RMAH comes out? Along the lines of: - Wiping out all inferno progress (so when you first log in after the patch it'd be like you just completed hell difficulty). - Removing all level 60 items from characters and the AH (anything 59 or below would remain). - Removing any gold above a cap of say 1 million per each level 60 character an account has. Nothing too brutal. I just think it would be nice to see the endgame given a second chance if you will, so things could unfold in a more natural manner without the entire thing being cracked wide open by a combination of poorly designed skills, game mechanics and exploitative play. Obviously that would hinge upon having fixed enough of those to make such a reset even worth bothering with.
Nah Blizzard should add one more level above inferno with all the exploits being patched up that's ten times more heavy than inferno in stats and add some level 65 66 67 items to the game. They can call it DAMNATION or something.
Thats genius! however then people will bitch cos the first people to exploit and roll through damnation will be the same people that rushed and exploited to the end of inferno and then were able to exploit the game more to make their millions. Imo they should of just added a level cap to each complete act of inferno cleared, 61 for act 1 63 for act 2 64 act3 and 65 act4. And made the best weapons lv65 required. So even if act3/4 gear was exploited and found its way to ah, people wouldnt be able to use it without clearing an act. That way we wouldnt have the same weapons from hell to end of inferno and there would actually be some more progression in gear.
Actually if I were blizzard I think it would have been very prudent to delay access to inferno difficulty at launch. An online game which focuses on farming which is played by millions of people... well of course people are going to find exploits right out the gate and abuse the hell out of them. But if they delayed access to inferno, say by even just 2 weeks, that would've given them time to fix the abuses/exploits and it's really no harm no foul since the only gear you could've farmed up to that point is craptastic hell gear. Now one may argue about complaints from customers or what not but they could've advertised it as more of an upcoming added "feature" than a restriction. Plus with blizz's reported stats on how many people were actually even in inferno so far it is such a miniscule portion of their player base that I do not think it would've really hurt their bottom line much if at all.
And sure new exploits could be found, but there is no denying that at the very start of a game is where the highest occurances of exploits appear, generally speaking, since that is really when the first mass "playtest" of the game occurs. Plus future exploits is again somewhat mitigated by expansions, but you want to delay that initial exploit so it doesn't effect the economy right from the getgo. Like DH/Wiz can farm siegebreaker ezpz but what if they had fixed the public game join bug to let them skip acts, then they would all have to go through a2 to get there which would've reduced the people actually farming a3 by a lot.Last edit: 2012-06-06 03:42:36 |
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| Avs Korea (North). June 06 2012 03:40. Posts 335 | Profile # |
The reason why there is even discussion on this is because a bunch of people, say 99.9% haven't beaten the game on inferno yet and don't understand the whole situation (though to be honest you don't have to beat the game to realize how bad/broken some of its features are).
The game is not going to last very long. People are starting to quit. Blizzard will make more money off expansions that promise to fix everything (who knows if this is going to be true). Multiple expansions are expected for Diablo 3. Shit was cut from Diablo 3 for the expansions. When they changed the skill system and rune system completely you knew something was wrong with gameplay and hence balance. The list goes on forever in Diablo 3 forums (you can't browse that forum without seeing shit like people getting hacked still or people pointing out pages worth of flaws in this game). |
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 Hadley_ Germany. June 06 2012 03:45. Posts 157 | Profile # |
| The game is done for me and every of my friend. Inferno is just a joke and no fun at all. FAILED BLIZZARD! |
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| Xinder United States. June 06 2012 03:49. Posts 1396 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2012 03:40 Avs wrote:
The reason why there is even discussion on this is because a bunch of people, say 99.9% haven't beaten the game on inferno yet and don't understand the whole situation (though to be honest you don't have to beat the game to realize how bad/broken some of its features are).
The game is not going to last very long. People are starting to quit. Blizzard will make more money off expansions that promise to fix everything (who knows if this is going to be true). Multiple expansions are expected for Diablo 3. Shit was cut from Diablo 3 for the expansions. When they changed the skill system and rune system completely you knew something was wrong with gameplay and hence balance. The list goes on forever in Diablo 3 forums (you can't browse that forum without seeing shit like people getting hacked still or people pointing out pages worth of flaws in this game).
I never take anything on the battle.net forums seriously. Those threads are like 100x worse than a TL LR thread without the heavy TL moderation. |
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| dmfg United Kingdom. June 06 2012 04:01. Posts 566 | Profile # |
On June 06 2012 03:45 Hadley_ wrote:
The game is done for me and every of my friend. Inferno is just a joke and no fun at all. FAILED BLIZZARD!
I like this quote, because if Inferno had been easier you would have finished inferno by now, and would be quitting anyway. Probably using the exact same words. |
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| epicdemic Netherlands. June 06 2012 04:02. Posts 136 | Profile # |
| As for your question, if you play hardcore it's worth your time. |
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| lorkac United States. June 06 2012 04:06. Posts 2297 | Profile Blog # |
This game is too easy/hard to beat because items never drop/are too easy to buy.
Is that an accurate summation of this thread? |
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| Moonsalt June 06 2012 04:08. Posts 51 | Profile # |
On June 06 2012 04:02 epicdemic wrote:
As for your question, if you play hardcore it's worth your time.
Agreed. Playing Hardcore with your friends it's really fun, atleast for me.
If you die it's like " Ahhh shit, I died f*** me bro!" and then just lol and start all over again xD.
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| Hadley_ Germany. June 06 2012 04:10. Posts 157 | Profile # |
On June 06 2012 04:01 dmfg wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 03:45 Hadley_ wrote:
The game is done for me and every of my friend. Inferno is just a joke and no fun at all. FAILED BLIZZARD!
I like this quote, because if Inferno had been easier you would have finished inferno by now, and would be quitting anyway. Probably using the exact same words.
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| dmfg United Kingdom. June 06 2012 04:16. Posts 566 | Profile # |
On June 06 2012 04:06 lorkac wrote:
This game is too easy/hard to beat because items never drop/are too easy to buy.
Is that an accurate summation of this thread?
Yep - plus "I'm quitting!" and/or "IF BLIZZARD DO NOT MEET MY DEMANDS THEN D3 WILL BE DEAD WITHIN A WEEK". |
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| NotSorry United States. June 06 2012 04:18. Posts 5327 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2012 04:16 dmfg wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 04:06 lorkac wrote:
This game is too easy/hard to beat because items never drop/are too easy to buy.
Is that an accurate summation of this thread?
Yep - plus "I'm quitting!" and/or "IF BLIZZARD DO NOT MEET MY DEMANDS THEN D3 WILL BE DEAD WITHIN A WEEK".
Think it was closer to "blizzard didn't test their game so everyone botted/exploited the fuck out of the game and all blizz did was fuck over the honest players"Last edit: 2012-06-06 04:19:05 |
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