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| HazMat United States. June 04 2012 16:36. Posts 9276 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2012 16:30 Brett wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 16:13 HazMat wrote:
So much butt hurt Barbs, jesus. I've got 2 Barb friends who have already soloed inferno Diablo. Stop blaming DH being imba or something and just get good at the game.
On topic: It sucks that people have to resort to Chest farming with how trash Whimsy and Butcher/Belial runs are. This is a problem with Elite spawns more than botters/inflation. Most Elite spawns are stronger than final bosses and since the only way to get rares is with 5 stacks of valor... good luck.
This is such a useless post. This is not a 'L2P' issue. DH btw
But it sort of is. Inferno is the highest difficulty. It should be extremely hard and only the really good players with should be able to beat it. That said, with how easy it is to grind items via chests and goblins then there soon will be enough inflation that the biggest noob can do inferno. |
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| Grovbolle Denmark. June 04 2012 17:31. Posts 2754 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2012 16:30 norsK wrote:
buy an iPhone and authenticator.
Sure, I'll buy a 5000 DKK phone for a 350 DKK game...
Fucking idiot.
User was temp banned for this post. |
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| Mastermyth Netherlands. June 04 2012 17:54. Posts 198 | Profile # |
On June 04 2012 16:36 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 16:30 Brett wrote:
On June 04 2012 16:13 HazMat wrote:
So much butt hurt Barbs, jesus. I've got 2 Barb friends who have already soloed inferno Diablo. Stop blaming DH being imba or something and just get good at the game.
On topic: It sucks that people have to resort to Chest farming with how trash Whimsy and Butcher/Belial runs are. This is a problem with Elite spawns more than botters/inflation. Most Elite spawns are stronger than final bosses and since the only way to get rares is with 5 stacks of valor... good luck.
This is such a useless post. This is not a 'L2P' issue. DH btw
But it sort of is. Inferno is the highest difficulty. It should be extremely hard and only the really good players with should be able to beat it. That said, with how easy it is to grind items via chests and goblins then there soon will be enough inflation that the biggest noob can do inferno.
Inferno really isn't particularly hard skillwise. It's just a numbers game. Many Barbs who know how to build their character, use their abilties well, and know how to move in combat, still get stuck in a2 because they just die in seconds. Please tell me how this "skill" of yours is going to help me avoid leaping lacuni. |
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| Fugue Australia. June 04 2012 17:54. Posts 251 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2012 16:18 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 16:09 Fugue wrote:
On June 04 2012 15:10 Shikyo wrote:
;S But DH just isn't gear dependent at those difficulties period, survivability doesn't matter at all as you should just play glass cannon and mobs at those levels die fast enough that you can just pewpew them at a distance. Even if you've played that way it doesn't change the fact that you really don't need to
Well, my point was never that playing a certain way changes the fact that you don't need to. My point was that other people abusing the weaker elements of the game doesn't have to ruin the experience for you. I'm providing anecdotes of my experience with the game just to highlight that there are other ways of playing, and they're fun. If you play in that optimised, take every advantage available way, then yes, your game experience will most likely look like this: - Use AH to buy gear at your level - Charge through and roflstomp all opponents for the next ~5 levels - Repeat until level 60 - Hit a wall and have to grind for gold until you can afford gear that will get you through the next inferno act - If you play a ranged class then you go glass cannon and focus mostly on DPS gear - If you play a melee class you have to play a more balanced game of survivability and damage. But if you pay no mind to that and gear yourself up, I've found it an entertaining journey where you might have to run an area a dozen times before you can move on, but you do eventually move on. I would probably get tired and frustrated if my last 20 hours played had been inferno butcher runs. I probably would be upset if I played a class that HAD to do a minimum of 20 hours of Inferno butcher runs before I could think about anything else, while my friend played a class that could do maybe 5 hours and then sneak on through to the next area. I would probably do exactly what my friend did if I had that class, because who wants to spend 20 hours farming the same area? But that's NOT the game I'm playing. I farmed Butcher a couple of times, I farmed the Dhalgur Oasis a dozen times, I farmed Siegebreaker about 20 times, and I farmed aspects + Izual about a dozen times. I was going to farm some more, but decided to push through to Diablo because Act 1 Hell will probably be easier anyway. If that sounds like a more reasonable amount of required farming prior to moving on, I recommend playing start to finish without powerlevelling to 60 and using AH. Not because you can say you're doing it tough, just because it's actually a lot more entertaining that way. It's got nothing to do with class balance. It's more about actually playing in a way that provides an entertaining challenge, even if that means avoiding known exploits.
If I read this correctly.. you're on nightmare. You can do nightmare and hell without a weapon. Get to inferno and then you'll realize that you won't get anywhere legit farming. The only legit close to viable way to farm is 5 stack Siegebreaker runs and that's because Tyrael does 40k dps and can do the boss fight for you.
The only way to do nightmare without a weapon is by having great gear in every other slot (via AH) and likely also levelling to 60, which completely goes against the point I was making. I'm not arguing about legit farming inferno. I'm pointing out that there is a genuinely fun experience outside of dealing with an overtuned difficulty and bemoaning a ruined economy. No it doesn't solve the problem, but it's also not a problem that is going to be solved by butting one's head against a wall.
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| norsK United States. June 04 2012 17:59. Posts 130 | Profile # |
On June 04 2012 17:31 Grovbolle wrote:Sure, I'll buy a 5000 DKK phone for a 350 DKK game... Fucking idiot.
I was directing that as advice for moosy, who wanted additional security for when his account is rolled back.
You can do whatever you want, I release you from servitude.
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| Brett Australia. June 04 2012 18:02. Posts 3290 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2012 16:36 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 16:30 Brett wrote:
On June 04 2012 16:13 HazMat wrote:
So much butt hurt Barbs, jesus. I've got 2 Barb friends who have already soloed inferno Diablo. Stop blaming DH being imba or something and just get good at the game.
On topic: It sucks that people have to resort to Chest farming with how trash Whimsy and Butcher/Belial runs are. This is a problem with Elite spawns more than botters/inflation. Most Elite spawns are stronger than final bosses and since the only way to get rares is with 5 stacks of valor... good luck.
This is such a useless post. This is not a 'L2P' issue. DH btw
But it sort of is. Inferno is the highest difficulty. It should be extremely hard and only the really good players with should be able to beat it. That said, with how easy it is to grind items via chests and goblins then there soon will be enough inflation that the biggest noob can do inferno.
Please stop deluding yourself. This is not about skill, this game barely requires any at all. The issue here is the ability of melee to farm gold, through drops or otherwise, to purchase gear that will allow them to survive long enough to kill shit. It is about the ability to do so in the context of huge inflation, and a skewed economy. The game doesn't get any harder in terms of actual required skill between hell and act 4 Inferno; it just requires the necessary numbers on your gear. And with the way Blizzard has built the game, that means hitting the AH. Which means interacting with the said shitty economy. |
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| Grovbolle Denmark. June 04 2012 18:06. Posts 2754 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2012 17:59 norsK wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 17:31 Grovbolle wrote:
On June 04 2012 16:30 norsK wrote:
buy an iPhone and authenticator.
Sure, I'll buy a 5000 DKK phone for a 350 DKK game... Fucking idiot.
I was directing that as advice for moosy, who wanted additional security for when his account is rolled back. You can do whatever you want, I release you from servitude.
Bad advice is bad advice. It shouldn't be necessary to buy extra security if Blizzard made a game with a decent security procedure |
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 Silidons United States. June 04 2012 18:10. Posts 2785 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2012 18:06 Grovbolle wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 17:59 norsK wrote:
On June 04 2012 17:31 Grovbolle wrote:
On June 04 2012 16:30 norsK wrote:
buy an iPhone and authenticator.
Sure, I'll buy a 5000 DKK phone for a 350 DKK game... Fucking idiot.
I was directing that as advice for moosy, who wanted additional security for when his account is rolled back. You can do whatever you want, I release you from servitude.
Bad advice is bad advice. It shouldn't be necessary to buy extra security if Blizzard made a game with a decent security procedure
No one gets hacked because people hack blizzard. They get hacked because they use the same email & password on fansites that get hacked. |
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| Grovbolle Denmark. June 04 2012 18:17. Posts 2754 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2012 18:10 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 18:06 Grovbolle wrote:
On June 04 2012 17:59 norsK wrote:
On June 04 2012 17:31 Grovbolle wrote:
On June 04 2012 16:30 norsK wrote:
buy an iPhone and authenticator.
Sure, I'll buy a 5000 DKK phone for a 350 DKK game... Fucking idiot.
I was directing that as advice for moosy, who wanted additional security for when his account is rolled back. You can do whatever you want, I release you from servitude.
Bad advice is bad advice. It shouldn't be necessary to buy extra security if Blizzard made a game with a decent security procedure
No one gets hacked because people hack blizzard. They get hacked because they use the same email & password on fansites that get hacked.
If that is the only case. Then I am fine with that  |
| | #ForGGeddon - Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com - @Sc2Aligulac - "I don't want Losira to go through because he is Zerg, but because he is Losira, he transcends all race" - TheBB | |
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| norsK United States. June 04 2012 18:25. Posts 130 | Profile # |
my email was made for diablo3, and has a different password to access than my diablo account.
I do not go to a fansite --
but sure this is my fault, along with everyone else that has been hacked.
seriously grov I am not representing the authenticator as good in any way, 2 posts above the one you quoted I expressed that blizzard needs to fix their game.
this is the only thing in place from blizzard to protect it |
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| Vodh June 04 2012 18:26. Posts 65 | Profile # |
And yeah, Blizz *did* release a game with more than decent security procedure, an authenticator. It doesn't cost much really, and it provides a pretty much 100% security. The only reason Blizzard mentions every now and then that no security measure is 100% safe is to release them from legal obligations, but there have been no legitimate cases of accounts with physical or mobile authenticators attached being hacked. And if that wasn't good enough, it's also available for free if you happen to have a smartphone. The ammount of hate Blizzard is getting for hacks with all the options they offer (including the rollbacks for hacked accounts so you can get your stuff back) is baffling.
That being said, I really do hope that with the RMAH bringing real money into equation Blizz will treat botters more seriously. I might be naive, but then again this time it's not just black market being flooded with gold and items as it is in the case of WoW, it's a market that Blizzard gets a cut from, so they have more incentive to permban the hacking scum. |
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| darkcloud8282 Canada. June 04 2012 18:31. Posts 720 | Profile # |
| I don't understand how the game can be ruined already. Sure, things have progressed much more quickly than intended, but what if someone bought the game 1 year from now? Are they going to not be able to play the game at all because everything is inflated and the market is fully saturated? If anything, people gaining access to farming act3/4 opens up more options for people stuck in act2 because they can actually buy higher tier gear without access to act3/4. |
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| Hadley_ Germany. June 04 2012 18:49. Posts 157 | Profile # |
On June 04 2012 08:30 Kenpark wrote:
Show nested quote +Sorry, but you can't tell me that you only got 500k gold. You have 10 hours more gametime than me, I haven't even killed Diablo on hell (having 2 chars lv 60/55) and I bought a shit ton of stuff from the ah, but didn't sell anything yet. Still, I got atleast 3 times more gold than you, even after subtracting gold for reparing?
Btw, even Trump the streamer, having accumulated around 40-50mio as of today, doesn't go Inferno Act 2 yet (Farming act 3 :D )
This. Also you need nowhere near 5 mill per slot to do act 2. Get some cheap blue vit/int gear, some 70int/13%-15% rings and you can farm maghda 5 stack and the goblin in road to alcarnus without much problems.
If I read something like that I cand only laught.
"you can farm maghda 5 stack and the goblin in road to alcarnus without much problems."
That sounds fun NOT! Inferno is just broken. Itemizing is broken. Just stop playing until they fixed it. D3 is just a piece of garbage right now at endgame. |
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| iCanada Canada. June 04 2012 18:54. Posts 2950 | Profile # |
Call me crazy but I dont even really find D3 fun.
"Kite! Kite! Kite! Kite! Kite! Mess up slightly, DEAD!"x7324872347329447389
There isn't even really any reason for you to grind like a SOB for gear to beat the game on inferno aside from "look, I did it!" which to be honest is kinda meh. Game lacks PvP and competitive spark.
I played D2 and grinded like a boss for years, but it never never really felt boring. Like 50~ hours played on D3 and I find the whole game boring as all hell. |
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| dmfg United Kingdom. June 04 2012 20:35. Posts 566 | Profile # |
On June 04 2012 18:54 iCanada wrote:
Call me crazy but I dont even really find D3 fun.
"Kite! Kite! Kite! Kite! Kite! Mess up slightly, DEAD!"x7324872347329447389
There isn't even really any reason for you to grind like a SOB for gear to beat the game on inferno aside from "look, I did it!" which to be honest is kinda meh. Game lacks PvP and competitive spark.
I played D2 and grinded like a boss for years, but it never never really felt boring. Like 50~ hours played on D3 and I find the whole game boring as all hell.
You choose to play a playstyle that is not very gear dependent, but can literally only produce gameplay that is "kite, kite, kite, get oneshotted, res, repeat".
Why not at least try a tankier build? Maybe you'll like it better, maybe you won't, but since you hate the glass cannon suicide playstyle it makes more sense to try something else than play something you hate and bitch about it. |
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| HeeroFX United States. June 04 2012 21:38. Posts 1951 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2012 18:54 iCanada wrote:
Call me crazy but I dont even really find D3 fun.
"Kite! Kite! Kite! Kite! Kite! Mess up slightly, DEAD!"x7324872347329447389
There isn't even really any reason for you to grind like a SOB for gear to beat the game on inferno aside from "look, I did it!" which to be honest is kinda meh. Game lacks PvP and competitive spark.
I played D2 and grinded like a boss for years, but it never never really felt boring. Like 50~ hours played on D3 and I find the whole game boring as all hell.
well I play a wizard and thats what I do. D3 is kinda boring I think, but sometimes it can be really fun aswell. Personally, I feel like the "RPG" has changed with games like mass effect, the witcher 2 and even WoW. And many people want things from that. D3 is not even that visually impressive on high. I still play D3 but I am not playing as much as I did when I first got it because everything is very boring now. |
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| b3n3tt3 June 04 2012 22:40. Posts 478 | Profile # |
exploits and cheats in this game, not even mentioning script bots and hacks.
1. resplendent chest act3
2. goblin act2
3. tyrael cheese
4. hotfix and nerf shit - lol when people knew they can't farm chest easily anymore, guess what happen to the prices? l2econ blizz. also underserved waypoints
day6ish, (iirc) get gear from chest -> progress. fail? repeat until you can progress
seriously, either buff nephalem or nerf the cheese. but anyways I'm done for the meantime.
will play again when act3 gear is cheap as fuck. AH fucked up but at least now it's getting better? lol
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| HazMat United States. June 04 2012 22:53. Posts 9276 | Profile Blog # |
Yeah I have no idea why they allow people get checkpoints from friends. Even if they fix the start on hell -> go to inferno bug it won't matter because I can have a friend create a quest and then jack it.
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| Hadley_ Germany. June 04 2012 22:59. Posts 157 | Profile # |
They should just hurry the fuck up with patch 1.1 and the inferno and itemizing fix. A game should be fun and right now it feels like a unpolished beta. I don't get why the fuck Blizzard didn't beta-tested inferno, thats a fuckn' joke!
If they force you to grind the same acts over and over again, it should be at least a little bit of fun and not this BROKEN 1-hit bullshit. |
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| Achilles Canada. June 04 2012 23:28. Posts 385 | Profile # |
| Who has the gun to everyone's head forcing them to play this game? |
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