+ find magic

dont understand what kind of topic this is....

Many people are equipping magic find items before killing an elite, boss or goblin or opening a chest, thats been known for a long time and yeah obviously having higher magic find increases your chance to find better items.. and thanks for telling us that you are carrying your magic find items with you. This thread is so weird lol

adwodon United Kingdom. June 03 2012 23:42. Posts 418

Simple Questions, Simple Answers

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Duskbane United States. June 03 2012 23:52. Posts 169

Seems like an unnecessary thread but I'd like to post to ask my own magic find related question if that's OK.
Does anyone know the formula on how magic find actually works? I have been doing as the OP is doing and putting on my MF gear just before opening chests/downing boss enemies and I have a little over 200% now, and yet I still have plenty of chests with only a couple of blues in them, at least half of the chests I open don't even have any yellow+ quality items in them.

And over the course of maybe a few hundred chests I've gotten one set item and no legendaries with this magic find gear, which if I understand based on everyone else's reports is actually better luck than most people get. So what EXACTLY does magic find help with, and to what extent?

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Re:MinD Germany. June 04 2012 00:01. Posts 1

In the bnet forums someone told me the following:

If a boss has a 3% chance to drop a specific item and you have +100% magic find gear on, the chance, that the boss drops that item, is increased to 6%. 200% would increase the drop chance to 9%.

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Dizmaul United States. June 04 2012 00:20. Posts 430

+MF does not work on boss's, only NV does. +MF does work on elites and champions though. Also I wouldn't expect you to notice the +MF really doing anything till you have about 600%.

It is what it is

skyR Canada. June 04 2012 00:46. Posts 11165

How would you get 600% MF when max MF on most pieces are 20%...?

Xinder United States. June 04 2012 00:53. Posts 1396

On June 04 2012 00:20 Dizmaul wrote:
+MF does not work on boss's, only NV does. +MF does work on elites and champions though. Also I wouldn't expect you to notice the +MF really doing anything till you have about 600%.

Care to give a source where you prove that only NV works on bosses and +MF doesn't help at all?

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Shikyo Finland. June 04 2012 00:55. Posts 20117

50% magic find vs 0% magic find on iskatu at least makes no difference

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Silidons United States. June 04 2012 00:58. Posts 2785

i never use any +MF items and i get plenty of rares in a3 inferno, more than enough actually. never liked changing to it in D2 and never hurt me any there either.

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Slayer91 Ireland. June 04 2012 01:00. Posts 8805

On June 04 2012 00:53 Xinder wrote:

Care to give a source where you prove that only NV works on bosses and +MF doesn't help at all?

This would agree with my experience of putting on mf gear just before a boss dies however statistically insignificant.

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Dizmaul United States. June 04 2012 01:01. Posts 430

Quote from the other MF thread

"MF DOES NOT WORK AGAINST PURPLES/ BOSSES

they nerfed this because people were farming aspect of terror, a purple diablo mini boss in act 4 inferno. getting crazy gear because they would wear 180+ mf."

There is some research in that thread that points to this being true. Still very early in the game though so the sample size is still quite small.

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MrTortoise June 04 2012 01:05. Posts 965

On June 04 2012 01:00 Slayer91 wrote:

This would agree with my experience of putting on mf gear just before a boss dies however statistically insignificant.

So how many times have you done this? How you feel has nothing to do with statistical significance. A lot of people feel j8s in poker is a great hand because statistically nobody sees it coming. Doesnt make it true (apart from that 1 time ignoring everythign you lsot on the other times)

Or is this just a case of 78.4123% of statistics being made up?

Can anyone confirm that base magic find is in fact 3%?

do find it funny that farming rares seems to be the way to go though.

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Swift118 United Kingdom. June 04 2012 01:07. Posts 209

This is not possible, NV offers 75%, amulet which offers the most MF per item possible is 50%. Other items can build it up plus stacking MF on your follower, but the most optimal would give you around the 450% mark. Just to point out that your bizzare claim of MF only being noticeable at 600% is questionable to say the least.

Silidons United States. June 04 2012 01:11. Posts 2785

On June 04 2012 01:07 Swift118 wrote:

5 stack NV guarantees at least 2 rares from quest bosses.

the % MF has nothing to do with that. having 75% doesn't guarantee shit from a quest boss, 5 NV stacks does.

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Dizmaul United States. June 04 2012 01:16. Posts 430

On June 04 2012 01:07 Swift118 wrote:

This is all just speculation of course.

Quote from lorkac in other thread.

In d2, 300% mf simply meant about 2%-3% better chance at having something good drop.

That means if it normally took you 100 runs to get something you isn't vendor, you now had 2-3 things you wouldnt vendor.

Of course, by not vendor I mean it was good enough for at least one of the builds amongst the 7 classes available.

And realistically you were killing Pindle which meant you had even less of a chance than that.

And you hadn't really stacked MF until you reached 400%-500%

Assuming D3 follows the same/similar system, but with possibly less drop rates. Then add the fact that the game has been out a very short time. I don't believe its not possible to really tell the difference yet in MF runs without a huge amount. Also not saying its possible to achieve 600% yet. I was just using a number that would yield real results at this time.

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Slayer91 Ireland. June 04 2012 01:20. Posts 8805

On June 04 2012 01:05 MrTortoise wrote:

I said it wasn't statistically significant. Then you go on to lecture me about the way it's not statistically significant. I did it say 20 times or so and got 2 rares most of the time rarely 3 (2 being the bare minimum with 5 NV and 3 being not uncommon) and the same magic item amount therefore I decided (probably) it wasn't doing anything and stopped bothering.

Last edit: 2012-06-04 01:22:18

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Heh_ Singapore. June 04 2012 01:43. Posts 2245

On June 04 2012 01:20 Slayer91 wrote:

And here we go again, arguing over statistics. 20 samples is more than enough to do a t-test, if you really wanted to be anal about it.

The 3% number is obviously made up. It was used as an easy way of illustrating a point.

All the information has already been posted, but I guess people can't seem to read. Then, they'll probably not read this because they can't read.

MF doesn't work on purples/bosses. Only valor does. 5 stack valor guarantees 2 rare drops. Any more than that is random probability.
Normal MF works. 100% increased magic find means exactly that.

If you want to test it for yourself, kill 50 elite packs without MF, or with 200% MF. Count the number of items dropped and see for yourself.

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udgnim United States. June 04 2012 03:08. Posts 6446

I don't know if it is a product of high stacks of NV or me switching to MF, but I will always try to switch to MF before killing an elite pack. its a noticeable difference to me at least.

for bosses, I'm not so sure switching MF does anything but I'm still going to do it anyways.

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LaiShin Australia. June 04 2012 03:11. Posts 705