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| Procify United States. June 04 2012 05:17. Posts 52 | Profile # |
Plat Terran. Been playing since release. All the time I talk to people I know in master's, grandmaster's, and even diamond.
All the time they say "Just learn from your play, you'll improve.", or "Your mechanics are great but you need to buff up on your end game goals."
"Watch replays." "Practice one build until you can do it perfectly." (I do 1 rax expo every game)
It's just that all these things are said to me and I have no idea how to go about doing it. I want to improve, I want to learn, but how?
EDIT: I understand learning from your mistakes. i.e. going marauder vs a baneling bust all in instead of tank/bunker.Last edit: 2012-06-04 05:18:33 |
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| VirgilSC2 United States. June 04 2012 05:23. Posts 5743 | Profile Blog # |
I think the biggest thing is not learning from mistakes you make, but analyzing general flaws in your gameplay
To elaborate, I think it's more important to learn from the flaws in your play you cause yourself, rather than a mis-reaction to an opponents move. |
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| OxyFuel Canada. June 04 2012 05:26. Posts 190 | Profile # | |
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| Procify United States. June 04 2012 05:26. Posts 52 | Profile # | |
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| thurst0n United States. June 04 2012 05:27. Posts 573 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2012 05:17 Procify wrote:
Plat Terran. Been playing since release. All the time I talk to people I know in master's, grandmaster's, and even diamond.
All the time they say "Just learn from your play, you'll improve.", or "Your mechanics are great but you need to buff up on your end game goals."
"Watch replays." "Practice one build until you can do it perfectly." (I do 1 rax expo every game)
It's just that all these things are said to me and I have no idea how to go about doing it. I want to improve, I want to learn, but how?
EDIT: I understand learning from your mistakes. i.e. going marauder vs a baneling bust all in instead of tank/bunker.
The point is, there are so many different situations you can find yourself in. If you constantly do the same build you will generally figure out what you need to do and when, and make better decisions because of it.
If you can't watch your game and find at least 2-3 things to really work on improving you're not looking hard enough. if you dont feel like you can find the most important things you should post a thread in the strategy forum.
Basically unless you're the best player in the world (and even then) there is always something you can do to improve. You should be able to identify these things. If you get pylon blocked, or don't constantly make probes then that is a problem regardless of if you win the game. If you decide to cut probe production at a certain point in the game in order to get nexus, or gates or to defend that is different, but that's a decision at that point and no longer a mistake. Eventually you will need to evaluate if that's the correct decision.
Another thing most people don't do is have a plan. If you have a plan you are better able to evaluate the game and if you played correctly. Also most people commit to improving for about 3 games. Instead how about commiting to improving after EACH game, for at LEAST 100 games. Then I bet you will have a completely different perspective on the general comments people make.
Your question is extremely broad, but I hope I gave you something to think about.
This post probably belongs in the strategy forum with replays.
Hope this helps. |
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| Polar_Nada United States. June 04 2012 05:29. Posts 1545 | Profile Blog # |
| you have to practice practice practice. All the top masters players in my division have tons of more games than the mid and low masters. |
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| MrLlama United States. June 04 2012 05:32. Posts 446 | Profile # |
One step at a time.
Find benchmarks and try to hit them.
I do a stream every night Sun-Thurs where I try to give people who send me replays a couple of goals to focus on. You can't fix everything at once and you have to only fix the things that really matter I your level (Ex: bronze usually just need to focus on always building workers. After every replay they can go back win or loss and see all the times they weren't making workers. Then next game just focus more on that). The important thing is don't try to do too much too quickly. A lot of people see Stephano get the ultimate broodlord infestor composition and think if they can just get to that, they will win the game like he does. Unfortunately they focus so much on trying to get there and doing cute burrow stuff with their infestors, they lack actually building up a decent economy and can't support anything or really build a strong end game army. Just focus on a basic goal, finish it, and move to the next.
If you send me a message and a replay on TL I'll do a replay analysis on my stream on it this week. |
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| SiNKami United States. June 04 2012 05:34. Posts 1753 | Profile Blog # |
This should be in the Strategy section.
Also, from my own experiences I can say that the more time you put into playing the game, the more your going to learn. i generally see people complaining about not being able to go from plat to diamond or gold to plat that just simply dont put the time into doing so. You need more than 10 games a week to improve in a timely fashion.
This is basically SC2 in a nutshell:
1. Macro
1a. Supply (Pylons, Overlords, Depots)
1b. Spending your money
1c. Upgrades
2. Scouting (self-eplanitory. Scouting is Key in this game and if you dont scout, you will NEVER know when or what is happening and when it is going to happen)
3. Timings (understanding what you can and cant do in response to certain tech paths and taking advantage of the knowledge that you have gotten from scouting to attack your opponent at their weakest point)
4. Micro (being able to minimize damage to your army at keypoints in a battle which can be game changing (i.e a good blanket of emp's, marine splitting, etc...))
When I was in diamond, I thought I knew everything and got extremely pissed when I lost a game. When I finally got into masters though, I realized how much I dont know about the game and how much there is to learn. Most player, especially terran players, tend to not scout but rather do random scans to see if they can catch something without a real idea on what they're looking for. I used to have that problem but just recently made it a serious point to scout harder as it is 1000% necessary in all matchups. There is still much more that I need to learn about the game before I can really start to help people out and help them make serious jumps in their skil. If your on NA server though, I dont mid doing what I can to help you out. |
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| Emon_ June 04 2012 05:34. Posts 3750 | Profile Blog # |
| You bang your head against the wall and one day you're in masters. Do your best and give it your best shot. If it's in you, it'll show |
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| Thaniri Canada. June 04 2012 05:39. Posts 557 | Profile Blog # |
I'm in masters, I don't know how to practice. I just play a lot.
If I can, you can.
However, now I am trying to learn how to practice... I self learned macro, timings, somewhat micro, I'm trying to figure out what seperates me, from the guy 1 rank above me. |
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| Stress United States. June 04 2012 05:41. Posts 648 | Profile # |
| Never get supply blocked, constant worker production until roughly 70, minimap awareness, proper build order execution, and scouting. These are the basic fundamentals of the game and everyone below mid-high masters slips up on at least one of these. |
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 OzkanTheFlip United States. June 04 2012 05:50. Posts 246 | Profile Blog # |
| dont rage everytime you lose i didnt start improving again until i stopped being mad all the time |
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| chadissilent Canada. June 04 2012 05:52. Posts 919 | Profile # |
| Forget the people who tell you to learn timings and such. What you should do is constantly be thinking "how can I get an advantage?" and look to exploit any holes in your play. When you lose a game, you should always watch the replay from the beginning and correct the earliest mistakes you were making. If you were in a giant 200/200 fight at 18 minutes ZvP (for example) and you lost the fight, you should be starting at 0:00 and looking where you can gain an earlier advantage. You can always find these situations and it keeps you in good shape going into the mid-late game. |
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| pallad Poland. June 04 2012 06:02. Posts 1713 | Profile # |
I just play ladder
I try focus on one thing per game.. like
" In this game im gonna leave some lings and banes at expos vs terrans drop ! I CANT FORGOT this or im gonna slap my face"
Other game , im focus on something else , but i try to remmember last task etc etc
With many games , you learn to combain your tasks , in one perfect game  , its not easy because you always forget something , but this kind of thinking help me improve a lot
Dont get angry when you lose , and play play play ,
"more gg more skill ™ " White-Ra
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| -Switch- Canada. June 04 2012 06:04. Posts 420 | Profile # |
| Just massssss games. Watch code s of your race and streams of koreans to learn builds and timings of when they attack/take bases. |
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| zezamer Finland. June 04 2012 06:06. Posts 1805 | Profile # |
Watching replays is usually waste of time.
Mass games, you will win games usually if
1) You have more stuff
2) You control your stuff better
(at least in tvt/tvz)
Watching replays won't make your macro/micro better. Playing games will. You can pretty much always figure out why you lost in 20seconds without looking at the replay because the reasons are usually really simple.
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| pallad Poland. June 04 2012 06:13. Posts 1713 | Profile # |
On June 04 2012 06:06 zezamer wrote:
Watching replays is usually waste of time.
Mass games, you will win games usually if
1) You have more stuff
2) You control your stuff better
(at least in tvt/tvz)
Watching replays won't make your macro/micro better. Playing games will. You can pretty much always figure out why you lost in 20seconds without looking at the replay because the reasons are usually really simple.
Not true.
Even pro players watch replays etc , you must watch replays , because you dont make just one mistake per game , everyone make some mistakes in every game.
Other thing is , you dont always losse because of your mistakes.. sometimes opponent is just better then you. Then you watch at rep , and you look , when you have good timing to attack , how he plays etc etc |
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| Corsica Ukraine. June 04 2012 06:14. Posts 1761 | Profile # |
i think main thing is to get really interested in the game, mentality plays a lot even at smaller level.
1) get interested and passionate
2) be nice
3) dont think about imbalances, at our level (masters and below) it doesnt exist |
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| Cirqueenflex June 04 2012 06:14. Posts 397 | Profile # |
1) play games
2) think about games i played and why they went as how they did (aka where did i screw up).
If i lose a game and blame it on coinflip/race imbalance/lag i just waisted time. I do not rage, because it does not help me improve and blocks my eyes from seeing the real problem (but i do get frustrated when i screw up some micro or w/e and lose because of this. I either then quit the game for some time or not take it as seriously as before). Also do not seek out more than one mistake. If you forget making that supply depot early on, don't take the game after that point all that serious (except for if you can come back and are ahead/equal later on). Try to find your earliest screw-up, and try to improve that point. (For example for me as a zerg in zvp i sometimes make early 10+ lings that just sit around idle and i lose 10 minutes later because i am behind in macro all game long from that point) |
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| phiinix United States. June 04 2012 06:36. Posts 1124 | Profile Blog # |
It's pretty simple actually, it's a mindset thing.
1) learn what you did wrong
2) don't do it again
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