[?] Spades hacking? - Page 122

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On June 05 2012 15:48 mr_tolkien wrote:
I don't get at all why people are attacking the OP. You can't do anything more from a «simple user» point of view. He did a lot of research and did only put it forward. The «conclusion» only comes from analysis that YOU should be able to do as well. If you can't, don't accuse the OP of putting words into your mouth, just sit back and enjoy the drama while waiting for an official reply to this problem.

This kind of problem shouldn't be handled by forum crawlers playing the game once in a blue moon, but by competent people.

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On June 05 2012 15:58 Megaliskuu wrote:
So I assume TL mods 100% know who OP is (an obvious smurf). Wonder if they'll tell us :D

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On June 05 2012 15:56 starcraft911 wrote:


Yea, i saw him get shit stomped by a diamond guy while HON was down. Talk about fallen from grace.

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On June 05 2012 15:58 Megaliskuu wrote:
So I assume TL mods 100% know who OP is (an obvious smurf). Wonder if they'll tell us :D

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On June 05 2012 15:58 multiversed wrote:
there is zero accountablity in this thread. people seem to think that free speech on the internet is a good idea because some people kick and scream when shit is moderated. situations like this are why forums are moderated and filtered. i think it would have been much more fair to spades if this had this been moved to a private forum and vetted before it was handed off to the mob.

i can't really blaim the TL staff for being ill prepaired to handle this. however, in light of recent events like people directly contacting sponsors, they definately should consider taking a more direct approach to handling if not dealing with issues like these. a single anonymous source should never be allowed to wield so much power without being held accountable.

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On June 05 2012 15:58 Megaliskuu wrote:
So I assume TL mods 100% know who OP is (an obvious smurf). Wonder if they'll tell us :D

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On June 05 2012 16:00 Artok wrote:

detective tt1 should really take a look at this ^_^

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On June 05 2012 15:57 schaf wrote:


Yeah, but why post it then? he could have messaged some pro players on TL to have a look at it, worst thing that could happen would be 10 *i don't have time for this* and he could have posted it then.

And I disagree, his research is biased. I think many fishy things can be explained if you play high-level and gamble at certain things.

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On June 05 2012 16:02 MuseMike wrote:

He did, on stream, with catz, drewbie, and illusion.

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On June 05 2012 15:57 schaf wrote:


Yeah, but why post it then? he could have messaged some pro players on TL to have a look at it, worst thing that could happen would be 10 *i don't have time for this* and he could have posted it then.

And I disagree, his research is biased. I think many fishy things can be explained if you play high-level and gamble at certain things.

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On June 05 2012 16:02 playa wrote:
If memory serves me right, not too long before Spades was caught hacking, he achieved number 1 on the WGT ladder, where all games were auto-uploaded. If anyone should be experienced at masking hacking, it should be this guy (you know people will be viewing your replays). I watched them and was simply confused. If you don't hack, you never really suspect others of hacking. I merely noticed that his macro wasn't good and he used comsat like a low level player would (not that it's rare).

Only real point is, obviously hacking makes a big difference. If you can't learn how to genuinely be good but you're aware that you dramatically increase your performance by cheating, I think once a cheater always a cheater isn't too far off the mark. You either have to be able to become good (legit) or there has to be a proper punishment/detriment. If you already know you can't cut it without cheating, and you have no morals, why not?

It might be a bit of a random post, but, logically, I just don't understand why someone that is driven to be known or w/e wouldn't relapse if this was their only way to do so.

How does his macro and mechanics compare to people at a similar level? I haven't watched any of his games. Merely a question that pops to mind given history.

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On June 05 2012 15:55 SkelA wrote:


Why would you hack in a practice ladder games ? If someone uses hacks it doesnt means that he will hack 100% of his games.

He just picked to hack in a showmatch where there is a chance to get recognition/money.

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On June 05 2012 15:51 Xyik wrote:
Has anyone analyzed the 50-100 replays Spades uploaded? I think those would be pretty good evidence that he does not hack. That being said, Spades has made a pretty half-hearted defense. If he was really so shocked and angry he'd be doing everything in his power, tooth and nail to be debunking everything said about him. Most of his statements include something along the lines of being sad that his career is being ruined, and it just makes him look even more suspicious. His arguments of 'if i was hacking why wouldn't i have defended this or done that' can be rebutted by something as siimple as 'it would be way too obvious if you had taken full advantage of your map hack'. And stating that most of the actions were 'luck or guesses' doesn't really help his case. If I were him I'd do my best to replay those games in my head and see what it may have been that made me commit to such suspicious play.

I hope after all this he really is guilty, because if he isn't he doesn't deserve this. Many players have a good game sense sometimes and commit to actions out of feeling or luck. I've done things like randomly moved my units and accidentally intercepted a drop before, things happen. So hopefully someone does further analysis on his replay packs so a solid conclusion can come out of this. I think that if this game is the only one out of a hundred where he seems obviously suspicious we can chalk it all up to luck and game sense.

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