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| PrinceXizor United States. July 06 2012 15:52. Posts 4871 | Profile Blog # |
On July 06 2012 15:11 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 14:11 HazMat wrote:
On July 06 2012 14:02 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
So what are some fun cheese/troll bot lanes you could do for fun in normals?
idk about but follow the leader is always fun. Queue as 4 and copy your 5ths item build item for item slot for slot. We did this once to a Ryze LOL. You may lose precious normal Elo. Do not do if your name is jougonaut and or neoillusions.
I did this with friends once; I randomed into Riven and had to copy an Anivia. That was... fun. Go AP Riven, go! Also, for good fun, if you ever find yourself as Orianna against a Zilean, Get E first. Then proceed to laugh as he wastes his mana on bombs that do literally no damage to you while you autoattack away.
I ended up with an AP lee sin one time from bravery random items/hero. Actually the most fun i've had playing lee sin. and the bravery random items that were chosen for me were pretty good synergy-wise just not for lee sin. lol RoA, Lich bane, Last whisper were the three big ones.
RE: Elixirs. i know that the red elixir has it's use for junglers with diving and escaping bad situations, though it's hardly cost efficient which makes it usually the worst option, especially when you need to get it ahead of time. the health gets added on so it's like an instant heal that can't be reduced.
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| spinesheath Germany. July 06 2012 15:57. Posts 5184 | Profile Blog # |
On July 06 2012 15:51 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 15:46 Shikyo wrote:
On July 06 2012 15:43 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On July 06 2012 14:11 HazMat wrote:
On July 06 2012 14:02 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
So what are some fun cheese/troll bot lanes you could do for fun in normals?
idk about but follow the leader is always fun. Queue as 4 and copy your 5ths item build item for item slot for slot. We did this once to a Ryze LOL. You may lose precious normal Elo. Do not do if your name is jougonaut and or neoillusions.
But what do you do when you have 3 times his CS and have all that gold lying around? Legit problem in blind pick normals.
buy wards and /all chat "GO GO MAP AWARENESS"
or buy those 4 minute buff potions... lots of them (including the AP potions for AD characters and the other way around) Edit: That reminds me... are they useful in any situation before late-late game where you have a full set and too much gold?
When you have an important fight coming up and 300, maybe even up to 600 gold lying around, Elixiers can help a bunch. It's hard to tell when they will actually make a difference in the outcome of the fight. But if they do, they're pretty damn strong. |
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| Promises Netherlands. July 06 2012 16:16. Posts 1340 | Profile # |
On July 06 2012 14:02 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
So what are some fun cheese/troll bot lanes you could do for fun in normals?
Blitz Nauti is pretty funny, Sion LeBlanc can be fun aswell... there's a lot of troll setups really ^^
Akali-Katarina! Towerdiving at lvl 6 like a boss just to zap right out again =) |
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| Shikyo Finland. July 06 2012 16:23. Posts 20592 | Profile Blog # |
| So I have this serious issue with AD carries and I still haven't been able to fix it. My games either go like 10-1 or 14-2 and I feel amazing, or they go 0-6-1 or 1-8-0 and I have no clue what I can do to fix that. When playing against people who fall behind in the laning phase, I see that they sometimes are able to catch up in kills during teamfights, but for me that just basically never happens. I really don't think that simply losing a trade slightly unluckily so that the opposing AD carry lives with 50 hp and gets a double kill should result in me going 1-8-0 or something like that. What should I be adjusting? If I get killed in my lane, should I just /ignore all and run to other lanes to farm them? Should I beg for ganks? Should I try jungling? Should I build stuff like 3 doran and wriggles(Vs Graves Taric for example) |
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| mr_tolkien France. July 06 2012 16:27. Posts 3485 | Profile Blog # |
On July 06 2012 16:23 Shikyo wrote:
So I have this serious issue with AD carries and I still haven't been able to fix it. My games either go like 10-1 or 14-2 and I feel amazing, or they go 0-6-1 or 1-8-0 and I have no clue what I can do to fix that. When playing against people who fall behind in the laning phase, I see that they sometimes are able to catch up in kills during teamfights, but for me that just basically never happens. I really don't think that simply losing a trade slightly unluckily so that the opposing AD carry lives with 50 hp and gets a double kill should result in me going 1-8-0 or something like that. What should I be adjusting? If I get killed in my lane, should I just /ignore all and run to other lanes to farm them? Should I beg for ganks? Should I try jungling? Should I build stuff like 3 doran and wriggles(Vs Graves Taric for example)
You should farm the best and the more you can until you have at least your IE and then participate in teamfights without taking isks. From there on, continue farming to your PD/LW/BT whenever you have the chance. Just DON'T DIE. |
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| HazMat United States. July 06 2012 16:29. Posts 9276 | Profile Blog # |
Don't build items that set you behind. (I'd rather get a late bf sword than have wriggles.) If something goes bad and you're behind you just have to ask for ganks and farm the lane the best you can. It's not the biggest deal if the ad carry is up 2 kills over you but if it gets to the point where he can come to lane and kill you whenever flash is down then you have a problem. I definitely say you should beg for ganks or just try to fuck the guy up when he's cocky. I've made a lot of comebacks botlane because the AD goes to farm when his support is warding. Again, if he's 2 kills ahead you and your support should still be able to compltely destroy him.
If nothing like that happens and you're trying your best to farm but obviously you're really behind in CS because he has the lane advantage then just wait until team fights happen. No matter how weak you are, you're an AD carry and should still dish out some damage and secure yourself some kills to get back into the game.
I have a grammar question. I wrote "no matter how weak you are you are an AD carry". Is that not weird, repeat 'you are'? I put you're on the second one so it's not so weird but man I feel dumb. High school English need buff.Last edit: 2012-07-06 16:33:53 |
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| De4ngus United States. July 06 2012 16:32. Posts 4999 | Profile Blog # |
On July 06 2012 16:29 HazMat wrote:
Don't build items that set you behind. (I'd rather get a late bf sword than have wriggles.) If something goes bad and you're behind you just have to ask for ganks and farm the lane the best you can. It's not the biggest deal if the ad carry is up 2 kills over you but if it gets to the point where he can come to lane and kill you whenever flash is down then you have a problem. I definitely say you should beg for ganks or just try to fuck the guy up when he's cocky. I've made a lot of comebacks botlane because the AD goes to farm when his support is warding. Again, if he's 2 kills ahead you and your support should still be able to compltely destroy him.
If nothing like that happens and you're trying your best to farm but obviously you're really behind in CS because he has the lane advantage then just wait until team fights happen. No matter how weak you are you're an AD carry and should still dish out some damage and secure yourself some kills to get back into the game.
I have a grammar question. I wrote "no matter how weak you are you are an AD carry". Is that not weird, repeat 'you are'? I put you're on the second one so it's not so weird but man I feel dumb. High school English need buff.
just use comma np. im real english teacher dont worry. |
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| HazMat United States. July 06 2012 16:33. Posts 9276 | Profile Blog # |
| Even with the comma it feels weird. I need Yango. |
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| Shikyo Finland. July 06 2012 16:34. Posts 20592 | Profile Blog # |
Just needs a comma after the first "you are".
Thanks, the next time stuff like happens I'll try to just suck it up, not die, and try to position well in teamfights and try to make something happen. |
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| HazMat United States. July 06 2012 16:42. Posts 9276 | Profile Blog # |
| What's with all the recent AD carries. As soon as I start maining AD I get at least 3 other people that just started maining AD and are on a streak like me. |
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| SHr3DD3r Pakistan. July 06 2012 16:57. Posts 1269 | Profile # |
Use a comma.
Just use itLast edit: 2012-07-06 16:57:39 |
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| WaveofShadow Canada. July 06 2012 17:11. Posts 5697 | Profile Blog # |
My AD carry is just horrendous on so many levels. (Vowels can vouch for that)
My cs is decent enough, but it's the rest of the laning aspect I just can't seem to get right.
In no particular order:
I take harass without fighting back properly.
I am aggressive when I am apparently not supposed to be.
I am not aggressive enough when I am apparently supposed to be.
I fail to properly assist my junglers with ganks when they come down.
I know there are particular combos of AD/support where some of those things are more emphasized than others but I JUST DON'T FUCKING GET IT, so I just do my best, cs what I can and fail more often than not.
Even on Graves, who is apparently the easiest AD carry out there because he is in every goddamn game.
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| Alaric France. July 06 2012 17:17. Posts 9265 | Profile # |
Re: abuse soloQ.
Ryze o/ Your jungler is merely a decoy to make your opponent's path predictable so that you can W him then just fucking kill him, no antics needed. And then since you've got blue buff and an ult with a ridiculously low cooldown you shove the wave and go W one of the side lanes.Last edit: 2012-07-06 17:28:00 |
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| Morfildur Germany. July 06 2012 17:46. Posts 3536 | Profile Blog # |
On July 06 2012 16:23 Shikyo wrote:
So I have this serious issue with AD carries and I still haven't been able to fix it. My games either go like 10-1 or 14-2 and I feel amazing, or they go 0-6-1 or 1-8-0 and I have no clue what I can do to fix that. When playing against people who fall behind in the laning phase, I see that they sometimes are able to catch up in kills during teamfights, but for me that just basically never happens. I really don't think that simply losing a trade slightly unluckily so that the opposing AD carry lives with 50 hp and gets a double kill should result in me going 1-8-0 or something like that. What should I be adjusting? If I get killed in my lane, should I just /ignore all and run to other lanes to farm them? Should I beg for ganks? Should I try jungling? Should I build stuff like 3 doran and wriggles(Vs Graves Taric for example)
The point of carries is that they are extremely snowbally, i.e. if you die once early, there is almost no chance to come back since the opponent will be one item ahead and can from there deny all your CS, resulting in you being relatively weaker and weaker. This is of course assuming that you both farm about equally well.
You can come back IF:
- Your jungler ganks successfully shortly afterwards and you can get the same amount of kills back. Too much later and you need twice as many kills to get back to even because the opposing ad will have bullied you out of a lot of cs.
- Your opponent makes a serious mistake like diving into the tower when your support has a stun or exhaust and gives you a free kill.
If neither happens, you are basically out of the game. You can still try to make plays and do as much damage as possible but the opponent will just do more, which also means your team will flame at you "gg ad noob no damage".
If that happens to you, ask for ganks and don't give more kills away, play ultra safe and farm near your tower. You can also get the jungle creeps if you get the opportunity but they won't completely make up for it. A third dorans can help but without gank i don't think you will be able to make enough use of it to make up for the item difference between you and your opponent.
If all else fails... blame the support. And the jungler. And top and mid just because they would feel left out otherwise.
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| nmbr United States. July 06 2012 17:47. Posts 40 | Profile # |
On July 06 2012 12:30 r.Evo wrote:
Edit: If he claims that this should teach someone to "think outside the box" he's either lying or stupid in this case, that has nothing to do with this exercise.
I think the point is to get someone to think about generalized advantage/disadvantage outside of the scripted metagame. Whether or not that point is communicated.. I'm not the one to say. People should just pick Mundo or whatever and jungle while Cait shoots at a tower. Certainly wouldn't be breaking any of the rules |
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| arb Noobville. July 06 2012 17:53. Posts 11224 | Profile Blog # |
On July 06 2012 17:47 nmbr wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 12:30 r.Evo wrote:
Edit: If he claims that this should teach someone to "think outside the box" he's either lying or stupid in this case, that has nothing to do with this exercise.
I think the point is to get someone to think about generalized advantage/disadvantage outside of the scripted metagame. Whether or not that point is communicated.. I'm not the one to say. People should just pick Mundo or whatever and jungle while Cait shoots at a tower. Certainly wouldn't be breaking any of the rules
Idk it seems pointless because theres so many factors that will change hjow much cs you could have 10 minutes, jungle invades fast dragons jungle ganks bad luck about anything.
esp if you cant even kill your opponent then its not going to teach you anything, your opponent isnt always gonna be in lane with no fear of you attacking them or anything |
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| Lmui Canada. July 06 2012 17:59. Posts 2062 | Profile # |
On July 06 2012 17:11 WaveofShadow wrote:My AD carry is just horrendous on so many levels. (Vowels can vouch for that) My cs is decent enough, but it's the rest of the laning aspect I just can't seem to get right. In no particular order: I take harass without fighting back properly. I am aggressive when I am apparently not supposed to be. I am not aggressive enough when I am apparently supposed to be. I fail to properly assist my junglers with ganks when they come down. I know there are particular combos of AD/support where some of those things are more emphasized than others but I JUST DON'T FUCKING GET IT, so I just do my best, cs what I can and fail more often than not. Even on Graves, who is apparently the easiest AD carry out there because he is in every goddamn game.
As far as AD carries go, I find Corki a bit more forgiving than graves. Any autoattack harass that you take can be met with a Q for equal damage and activating E wins you any protracted trades. Skillshot harass is something that you just have to learn to deal with.
You should be aggressive whenever you have an advantage, generally when someone on the other team uses a long cooldown skill. Examples are:
Soraka heal: After the armor runs out, you have 15 seconds to do something. If you can initiate something in this time, soraka can at most silence you.
Janna shield just ran out: Much smaller window but still abusable (If janna has to use her tornado to get you away, that's actually costing her a huge amount of mana in the early game)
Blitzcrank missed a hook: You have 20 seconds to abuse his AD carry. Between your support and you, put enough hurt onto the AD carry that after the 20s, blitz can't pull either of you without endangering his carry.
Assisting the jungler:
Do as much damage as possible onto the target the jungler marks. Go aggressive the moment either the enemies look like they've seen your jungler on a ward or in the case of a lane gank, the jungler starts going on someone. If you have a gap closer/CC, use it. (MF E, trist jump etc.) As long as you use your abilities and shoot the same target as your jungler, you've done your job.
A few tips on the common Graves lanes.
Soraka Graves:
You are supposed to be unkillable. If the soraka's doing her job (warding and healing after the first shot of damage you take in every exchange), all you do is play somewhat safe for the first few levels (buckshot them whenever you have a chance, otherwise play passive) and after both of you hit level 5, continuously buckshot the entire wave and push hard into their tower. Once it's at their tower, just buckshot on cooldown and harass them as much as possible. If they try to shoot at you that's good, they're missing out on CS. The combination of your passive and soraka heal armour bonus means that you should win every trade and if you didn't, you'll heal up soon enough that it won't matter.
A few lanes that this might be difficult (read unsafe) against are leona+corki (soraka's extremely vulnerable and unless you have 10 stacks, you're vulnerable), any blitzcrank lane (the tower harass is risky).
Taric Graves:
The other scary bottom kill lane besides leona corki. If you're in a premade, push the lane aggressively at level 1 (ward the far lane bush) and especially if you took doubles, you'll hit 2 much sooner than them. The moment both of you ding two, taric stuns or flash+stuns someone and shatters them, you quickdraw, ignite+buckshot and right click (making sure the shatter happens before the buckshot). They will die or blow one/both summoners. You can also do this at level 3 but it's (IMO anyways) not quite as successful as doing it at level 2. The next chance you'll get to 100-0 someone is at level 6. It's the same idea, stun+shatter -> buckshot collateral damage.
Janna Graves:
If playing correctly, this lane can deal some pain if the enemy misplays. If janna can initiate with a tornado and allow you to do a shielded buckshot +i gnite + smoke + autos, you can remove most of someone's health really easily. |
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| nmbr United States. July 06 2012 18:02. Posts 40 | Profile # |
On July 06 2012 17:53 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 17:47 nmbr wrote:
On July 06 2012 12:30 r.Evo wrote:
Edit: If he claims that this should teach someone to "think outside the box" he's either lying or stupid in this case, that has nothing to do with this exercise.
I think the point is to get someone to think about generalized advantage/disadvantage outside of the scripted metagame. Whether or not that point is communicated.. I'm not the one to say. People should just pick Mundo or whatever and jungle while Cait shoots at a tower. Certainly wouldn't be breaking any of the rules
Idk it seems pointless because theres so many factors that will change hjow much cs you could have 10 minutes, jungle invades fast dragons jungle ganks bad luck about anything. esp if you cant even kill your opponent then its not going to teach you anything, your opponent isnt always gonna be in lane with no fear of you attacking them or anything
Yea, all your points are valid. I kinda doubt PhantomLord has really vetted his curriculum with the proper authorities. The only thing I learned from his stream is that people probably don't value their money as much as you might expect. |
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| HazMat United States. July 06 2012 18:31. Posts 9276 | Profile Blog # |
On July 06 2012 17:46 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 16:23 Shikyo wrote:
So I have this serious issue with AD carries and I still haven't been able to fix it. My games either go like 10-1 or 14-2 and I feel amazing, or they go 0-6-1 or 1-8-0 and I have no clue what I can do to fix that. When playing against people who fall behind in the laning phase, I see that they sometimes are able to catch up in kills during teamfights, but for me that just basically never happens. I really don't think that simply losing a trade slightly unluckily so that the opposing AD carry lives with 50 hp and gets a double kill should result in me going 1-8-0 or something like that. What should I be adjusting? If I get killed in my lane, should I just /ignore all and run to other lanes to farm them? Should I beg for ganks? Should I try jungling? Should I build stuff like 3 doran and wriggles(Vs Graves Taric for example)
The point of carries is that they are extremely snowbally, i.e. if you die once early, there is almost no chance to come back since the opponent will be one item ahead and can from there deny all your CS, resulting in you being relatively weaker and weaker. This is of course assuming that you both farm about equally well. You can come back IF: - Your jungler ganks successfully shortly afterwards and you can get the same amount of kills back. Too much later and you need twice as many kills to get back to even because the opposing ad will have bullied you out of a lot of cs. - Your opponent makes a serious mistake like diving into the tower when your support has a stun or exhaust and gives you a free kill. If neither happens, you are basically out of the game. You can still try to make plays and do as much damage as possible but the opponent will just do more, which also means your team will flame at you "gg ad noob no damage". If that happens to you, ask for ganks and don't give more kills away, play ultra safe and farm near your tower. You can also get the jungle creeps if you get the opportunity but they won't completely make up for it. A third dorans can help but without gank i don't think you will be able to make enough use of it to make up for the item difference between you and your opponent. If all else fails... blame the support. And the jungler. And top and mid just because they would feel left out otherwise.
Eh, AD isn't that snowbally. You can only deny to a certain extend (pretty much none) and even if you're ahead a bad engage or a miss exhaust or anything can cause a 2v2 loss. I've never won the first fight as AD and knew I was set to dominate the game. |
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| Slayer91 Ireland. July 06 2012 19:06. Posts 8997 | Profile # |
On July 06 2012 12:30 Scip wrote:
Oh god guys Im going to Norway for like maybe a week and I won't have any internet connection there.
I'm gonna mis you guys soooo much, Il have fun in there but still, no internets. With my absence being imminent, Im just going to thoughtdump.
I like Rammus, he's ok. I am having trouble finding a good build for him, can't hel but feel the wriggles PD build isn't exactly cutting it.
If the leaked patch notes are true, nautilus is going to be not very good at all, I feel like he's on the very very edge where he is barely OP from where he can kinda snowball if that makes sense, and I think the nerf would push him over the edge and make him mig-high tier jungler.
I want to see more Karma, the shield is just soooo strong and the speed up too just a godsent for a bruiser. But the same goes for Zilean who is arguably better, so I don't know. Support Karma unlikely to work. sigh sadface
Teut aka Slayer91 was avoiding to me, played ranked 5s with other guys and when I came online he just continued to play with them. I don't know what to do, I'd write a [girl] blog tommorow but I won't have the time. Any relationship advice? Does he want more freedom and think I'm too possesive? I don't think he would be unfaithful to me, he's way too awesome for that, but I'm worried about us. I'm starting to think I'm not good enough for him. Help please
He's totally friendzoned he's just in denial. |
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