| ViZe United States. July 07 2012 00:18. Posts 325 | Profile # |
I can't imagine his clears would be very fast.
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| Requizen United States. July 07 2012 00:20. Posts 7541 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2012 00:18 ViZe wrote:
I can't imagine his clears would be very fast.
Shatter seemed to help, since it's an armor shred and AoE damage. Still not fast, but once he got blue it was safe as houses thanks to how his heal works. |
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| jcarlsoniv United States. July 07 2012 00:21. Posts 4153 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2012 00:18 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 23:50 Schwopzi wrote:
On July 06 2012 23:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Blue pots are secret op. I've been getting them during laning phase for quite some time now. If you secure a kill with it, it's 100% worth it. Even if you don't, you can pressure harder with that extra AP and CDR. I just really like them.
Red pots are so op in close lanes as well, a 200+ hp heal that ignores ignite makes all the difference in a duel
Uh It doesn't ignore ignite and its only 125 hp per pot how I'm pretty sure.
Red Elixer. Not health pot. |
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| Seuss United States. July 07 2012 00:29. Posts 3115 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2012 00:18 ViZe wrote:
I can't imagine his clears would be very fast.
He's certainly no Udyr, but he clears well enough. Like a lot of non-bruiser tanky junglers his clear speed starts slowing once he caps out his AoE ability, but by that point objectives/ganks/warding take precedence anyway and your lanes should happily clear any neglected camps for you.Last edit: 2012-07-07 00:30:15 |
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| JokerSan United States. July 07 2012 00:32. Posts 180 | Profile # |
I've done some jungling taric after several botched champ selects and it's pretty terrible. His clear and gank potential are below average and his invading potential is non-existent, but his biggest problem is that he scales terribly and is just dead weight in the late game. You can't win team fights with two supports.
The jungler has to fill in an assasin or tanky bruiser role which Taric simply cannot do. |
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| jcarlsoniv United States. July 07 2012 00:34. Posts 4153 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2012 00:32 JokerSan wrote:
I've done some jungling taric after several botched champ selects and it's pretty terrible. His clear and gank potential are below average and his invading potential is non-existent, but his biggest problem is that he scales terribly and is just dead weight in the late game. You can't win team fights with two supports.
The jungler has to fill in an assasin or tanky bruiser role which Taric simply cannot do.
So don't build him like a support...? |
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| Dgiese United States. July 07 2012 00:40. Posts 1250 | Profile # |
| AP Taric is outrageous, truly outrageous. |
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| BlackPaladin United States. July 07 2012 00:45. Posts 3674 | Profile # |
On July 07 2012 00:32 JokerSan wrote:
I've done some jungling taric after several botched champ selects and it's pretty terrible. His clear and gank potential are below average and his invading potential is non-existent, but his biggest problem is that he scales terribly and is just dead weight in the late game. You can't win team fights with two supports.
The jungler has to fill in an assasin or tanky bruiser role which Taric simply cannot do.
Then what is maokai and naut defined as in your book? They're more of a tanky support than anything with their tons of cc and utility. They don't go diving the enemy carry like a bruiser would. They don't have the damage lategame that a bruiser would. They're main jobs are to protect your carry. Last edit: 2012-07-07 00:47:41 |
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| JokerSan United States. July 07 2012 00:49. Posts 180 | Profile # |
On July 07 2012 00:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 00:32 JokerSan wrote:
I've done some jungling taric after several botched champ selects and it's pretty terrible. His clear and gank potential are below average and his invading potential is non-existent, but his biggest problem is that he scales terribly and is just dead weight in the late game. You can't win team fights with two supports.
The jungler has to fill in an assasin or tanky bruiser role which Taric simply cannot do.
So don't build him like a support...?
Yeah you can run a full aspd page and get offensive items on him to improve his clear time, but it's just so bad. His AP ratios are jokes and he has no AD steroids except for his ult. Furthermore he has no mobility so in team fights the only thing he can really do is sit on the carry.
Like I am pretty sure it is obvious and everyone knows Taric is not a jungler and should only be a support. If you wanna argue that he's better than pretty much every other support at jungling, sure you got it, but he's still really terrible at jungling. |
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| iCanada Canada. July 07 2012 01:02. Posts 2950 | Profile # |
On July 07 2012 00:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 00:32 JokerSan wrote:
I've done some jungling taric after several botched champ selects and it's pretty terrible. His clear and gank potential are below average and his invading potential is non-existent, but his biggest problem is that he scales terribly and is just dead weight in the late game. You can't win team fights with two supports.
The jungler has to fill in an assasin or tanky bruiser role which Taric simply cannot do.
So don't build him like a support...?
Yeah man, gotta get the DFG.
I dont think it actually good, but something about 1 shotting people with Taric feels so righteous.
I think Jungle Taric's ganks could be really really strong. Come from behind W->R then E them if they gonna get away. |
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| TheSamuraj Netherlands. July 07 2012 01:03. Posts 23 | Profile # |
On July 07 2012 00:49 JokerSan wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 00:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 07 2012 00:32 JokerSan wrote:
I've done some jungling taric after several botched champ selects and it's pretty terrible. His clear and gank potential are below average and his invading potential is non-existent, but his biggest problem is that he scales terribly and is just dead weight in the late game. You can't win team fights with two supports.
The jungler has to fill in an assasin or tanky bruiser role which Taric simply cannot do.
So don't build him like a support...?
Yeah you can run a full aspd page and get offensive items on him to improve his clear time, but it's just so bad. His AP ratios are jokes and he has no AD steroids except for his ult. Furthermore he has no mobility so in team fights the only thing he can really do is sit on the carry. Like I am pretty sure it is obvious and everyone knows Taric is not a jungler and should only be a support. If you wanna argue that he's better than pretty much every other support at jungling, sure you got it, but he's still really terrible at jungling.
His ganks are quite deadly, a 1.5 sec stun is strong. His ulti gives everybody 35 AD and AP (himself twice as much) and has decent AP ratios on his skills, 240 + 60% on shatter. He ist as terrrible as you think |
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| MooMooMugi United States. July 07 2012 01:10. Posts 4564 | Profile Blog # |
The real problem with Taric is if you don't get successful ganks in the early game you start rapidly falling off in the mid game, and of course makes your late game shitty. He is also blue reliant because his mana costs are too high and his passive doesn't help regen mana as much as you would like
His ganks are DECENT but almost every jungler can gank/clear better than him, so he's just a niche for a troll jungler in normals if you're bored |
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| sylverfyre United States. July 07 2012 01:31. Posts 4155 | Profile # |
Ultimately it comes down to, if you're thinking about jungling taric, why aren't you picking Alistar, who brings a similar things to the table (Tanky, Supportive CC kit, Great ganks, and a healing ability) but jungles with it far more effectively.
Taric's bursty kit is fine in lane and gives him a good niche, but burst doesn't get you through the jungle very well.Last edit: 2012-07-07 01:33:39 |
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| spinesheath Germany. July 07 2012 01:34. Posts 5184 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2012 01:02 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 00:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 07 2012 00:32 JokerSan wrote:
I've done some jungling taric after several botched champ selects and it's pretty terrible. His clear and gank potential are below average and his invading potential is non-existent, but his biggest problem is that he scales terribly and is just dead weight in the late game. You can't win team fights with two supports.
The jungler has to fill in an assasin or tanky bruiser role which Taric simply cannot do.
So don't build him like a support...?
Yeah man, gotta get the DFG. I dont think it actually good, but something about 1 shotting people with Taric feels so righteous. I think Jungle Taric's ganks could be really really strong. Come from behind W->R then E them if they gonna get away.
Should be R->W instead. That way W deals more damage from the AP boost, and R doesn't profit from the Armor reduction anyways. |
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| Xevious United States. July 07 2012 01:37. Posts 1371 | Profile # | |
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| Ferrose United States. July 07 2012 01:41. Posts 8146 | Profile Blog # |
Not before Obsidian Skarner. |
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| jcarlsoniv United States. July 07 2012 01:43. Posts 4153 | Profile Blog # |
I feel like you might be biased on this one, Karthold Trump.Last edit: 2012-07-07 01:43:49 |
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| Requizen United States. July 07 2012 01:58. Posts 7541 | Profile Blog # |
And now support Maokai. Low ELO = random things all day.
Edit: Skarnold, why you play Mundo? I wanted to spectate your Skarner :\
On a related note, if you spectate a game with Pulsefire Ez, you can hear the robot chick everywhere on the map, not just near him.Last edit: 2012-07-07 02:53:25 |
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| yenta Poland. July 07 2012 02:34. Posts 1006 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2012 01:58 Requizen wrote:
And now support Maokai. Low ELO = random things all day.
Support Maokai is random? |
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On July 07 2012 01:58 Requizen wrote:
And now support Maokai. Low ELO = random things all day.
what elo are you?
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