| Ryuu314 United States. June 10 2012 18:34. Posts 5340 | Profile # |
On June 10 2012 17:55 Lmui wrote:Latest PBE patch notes. http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/20655-unofficial-patch-notesIt looks like Froggen did his work. AP Kog is potentially getting nerfed even harder. Kog'll run oom faster than swain will. AP WW may be a little more viable now that the percentage damage scales as well so it'll kill tanks too. I still think that bruiser/cdrwick is better though. Kennen nerfs were a long time coming since more and more people have been playing him AD -> AP or just straight AD. His base AD was one of the highest among AD carries (3rd to twitch/graves). This just brings his base AD in line with most AD carries instead of being around AP carries. I still think that buying mana pots is not worth it for most characters (The only exception for me is Ashe since her stupid arrow costs so much mana)
meh. mana pots are still gonna suck in 95% of situations. better mana management is sufficient for majority of cases and in the situations where proper mana management isn't sufficient (kog/swain cases of extended spell use) then you're going to have blue buff and mana pots wouldn't help either way. |
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| LoCicero June 10 2012 18:38. Posts 463 | Profile # |
| Apparently Rammus' taunt at lvl 1 is only 0.5 seconds now. I learned that the hard way when I tried to tower dive a riven at 100 hp and still died. Sad day. =( |
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| zulu_nation8 China. June 10 2012 18:38. Posts 18697 | Profile Blog # |
| mana pots are underused and awesome for a lot of situations |
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| spinesheath Germany. June 10 2012 18:50. Posts 5158 | Profile Blog # |
| Remember how blue was nerfed and suddenly Anivia got popular (OP?) again? I wouldn't care too much about mana changes until you can actually see if it is an issue or not. |
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| Plague1503 Croatia. June 10 2012 19:01. Posts 432 | Profile # |
| Yo I saved up 6500+ IP and I'm wondering whether to buy Darius or Renekton? I'm looking for a strong top lane bruiser with tanky dps potential and maybe sometimes jungling, kinda like Olaf or WW. I've heard only amazing things about Renekton but I've played lots of Darius free week and he's just a beast. |
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| arb Noobville. June 10 2012 19:08. Posts 11095 | Profile Blog # |
On June 10 2012 19:01 Plague1503 wrote:
Yo I saved up 6500+ IP and I'm wondering whether to buy Darius or Renekton? I'm looking for a strong top lane bruiser with tanky dps potential and maybe sometimes jungling, kinda like Olaf or WW. I've heard only amazing things about Renekton but I've played lots of Darius free week and he's just a beast.
cant really jungle renekton and it be effective, can jungle darius a bit better.
Renekton more fun though imo. |
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| TheKefka Croatia. June 10 2012 19:09. Posts 8121 | Profile Blog # |
On June 10 2012 19:01 Plague1503 wrote:
Yo I saved up 6500+ IP and I'm wondering whether to buy Darius or Renekton? I'm looking for a strong top lane bruiser with tanky dps potential and maybe sometimes jungling, kinda like Olaf or WW. I've heard only amazing things about Renekton but I've played lots of Darius free week and he's just a beast.
If its the choice between those 2 depends if you really just want a pub stomper or a really solid,all purpose top laner.
Personally I hate Darius and I don't think he is as good as people cry and he is probably going to get nerfed because of the QQ even more,Renekton is a really really good pick right now.
He's like the old Irelia,he has some bad matchups but you can force renekton to work(and win!) against any lane if you know how to play him right.I'd go with him personally.
Oh yea jungle renek is pretty bad as far as I know,but Darius isn't the shining beacon of the jungle either.If your dead set on it you can make it work but both are just top laners and pretty bad in the jungle imo.Last edit: 2012-06-10 19:12:22 |
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| Plague1503 Croatia. June 10 2012 19:30. Posts 432 | Profile # |
| And how about Lee Sin or even Udyr? Even though he's 2x cheaper Last edit: 2012-06-10 19:46:31 |
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| epoc Finland. June 10 2012 20:46. Posts 841 | Profile # | |
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| 1ntrigue Australia. June 10 2012 21:01. Posts 368 | Profile # |
On June 10 2012 20:46 epoc wrote:
Ehh too harsh kog nerfs
AD Kog still feels a tad strong imo. I would've liked a 1-2 sec duration nerf on his W.
AP Kog requires better control and is less spammy now. It'll probably lose fotm but still be pretty good. |
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| barbsq United States. June 10 2012 21:08. Posts 3039 | Profile # |
On June 10 2012 19:08 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 19:01 Plague1503 wrote:
Yo I saved up 6500+ IP and I'm wondering whether to buy Darius or Renekton? I'm looking for a strong top lane bruiser with tanky dps potential and maybe sometimes jungling, kinda like Olaf or WW. I've heard only amazing things about Renekton but I've played lots of Darius free week and he's just a beast.
cant really jungle renekton and it be effective, can jungle darius a bit better. Renekton more fun though imo.
i dunno, i thought the same thing (basically that renek's jungle was too slow), but the two times i saw it last month, it was not only quite fast (was on par with a noct, and i can't remember the other game too well), but strong ganks and whatnot. No clue what setup they had, but it made me think twice about how good jungle renek might be. |
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| arb Noobville. June 10 2012 21:55. Posts 11095 | Profile Blog # |
On June 10 2012 21:08 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 19:08 arb wrote:
On June 10 2012 19:01 Plague1503 wrote:
Yo I saved up 6500+ IP and I'm wondering whether to buy Darius or Renekton? I'm looking for a strong top lane bruiser with tanky dps potential and maybe sometimes jungling, kinda like Olaf or WW. I've heard only amazing things about Renekton but I've played lots of Darius free week and he's just a beast.
cant really jungle renekton and it be effective, can jungle darius a bit better. Renekton more fun though imo.
i dunno, i thought the same thing (basically that renek's jungle was too slow), but the two times i saw it last month, it was not only quite fast (was on par with a noct, and i can't remember the other game too well), but strong ganks and whatnot. No clue what setup they had, but it made me think twice about how good jungle renek might be.
just as we were talking about this i see a jungle renek
really weird |
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| Shikyo Finland. June 10 2012 22:03. Posts 20265 | Profile Blog # |
On June 10 2012 18:34 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 17:55 Lmui wrote:Latest PBE patch notes. http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/20655-unofficial-patch-notesIt looks like Froggen did his work. AP Kog is potentially getting nerfed even harder. Kog'll run oom faster than swain will. AP WW may be a little more viable now that the percentage damage scales as well so it'll kill tanks too. I still think that bruiser/cdrwick is better though. Kennen nerfs were a long time coming since more and more people have been playing him AD -> AP or just straight AD. His base AD was one of the highest among AD carries (3rd to twitch/graves). This just brings his base AD in line with most AD carries instead of being around AP carries. I still think that buying mana pots is not worth it for most characters (The only exception for me is Ashe since her stupid arrow costs so much mana)
meh. mana pots are still gonna suck in 95% of situations. better mana management is sufficient for majority of cases and in the situations where proper mana management isn't sufficient (kog/swain cases of extended spell use) then you're going to have blue buff and mana pots wouldn't help either way.
Well this is wrong, there's certain situations where mana pots are going to save the day in the most efficient way possible.
For example let's take Warwick vs Olaf. WW is fine as long as he has enough mana but gets harrassed off the lane when he runs out of it. From my experience he wins the trades slightly before running out of mana but afterwards he's going to just have to base. Now, you could buy doran rings to deal with the mana issue but an easier way is to just buy 1 or 2 mana pots, giving you the upper hand and possibly even forcing your opponent off the lane.
Another obvious one is Pantheon. Many times Pantheon will dominate until he runs out of mana, in many cases this will even be in a situation when he'd just need like 2 more spears to force the opponent off the lane. You can either build some expensive mana regen or spend 40 gold on the potion, force your opponent off the lane, make tower kill like 10 minions as they back, and you traded 40 gold into 10 minions and come out way ahead.
"Mana management" is very silly if your plan is to force someone off the lane, they'll just regen if you "manage" your mana. |
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| Plague1503 Croatia. June 10 2012 22:06. Posts 432 | Profile # |
On June 10 2012 21:08 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 19:08 arb wrote:
On June 10 2012 19:01 Plague1503 wrote:
Yo I saved up 6500+ IP and I'm wondering whether to buy Darius or Renekton? I'm looking for a strong top lane bruiser with tanky dps potential and maybe sometimes jungling, kinda like Olaf or WW. I've heard only amazing things about Renekton but I've played lots of Darius free week and he's just a beast.
cant really jungle renekton and it be effective, can jungle darius a bit better. Renekton more fun though imo.
i dunno, i thought the same thing (basically that renek's jungle was too slow), but the two times i saw it last month, it was not only quite fast (was on par with a noct, and i can't remember the other game too well), but strong ganks and whatnot. No clue what setup they had, but it made me think twice about how good jungle renek might be.
I tried it just now (bought Renek yay ^^) and even though we lost, I felt his jungle clear times were really really good, especially after Madred's/Wriggles. Fury'd W has a 3 times chance to proc Wriggles, buff monsters fall really fast and Q is amazing for clearing out low level creeps. E is pretty good mobility as well.
Pretty leash/HPot dependant 1-3 though, I'll try opening with a Vampiric or Regen+1Pot and see if that solves his early sustain issues.Last edit: 2012-06-10 22:10:36 |
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| Shikyo Finland. June 10 2012 22:10. Posts 20265 | Profile Blog # |
| I would never fury W, animation locks you for way too long, I think youd have more DPS right clicking, fury Q imo way better. Normal Ws are fine but I hate fury W |
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| Plague1503 Croatia. June 10 2012 22:11. Posts 432 | Profile # |
On June 10 2012 22:10 Shikyo wrote:
I would never fury W, animation locks you for way too long, I think youd have more DPS right clicking, fury Q imo way better. Normal Ws are fine but I hate fury W
Srsly? Even on Blue/Red/Drake w/Wriggles? |
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| Feartheguru Canada. June 10 2012 22:14. Posts 762 | Profile # |
| What to max second on renekton? All the popular guides say w but it makes no sense. Last edit: 2012-06-10 22:27:30 |
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| Shikyo Finland. June 10 2012 22:14. Posts 20265 | Profile Blog # |
| Yeah because you get one extra attack off during the animation anyway and the stun doesn't matter, you're also losing out on a furied Q. |
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| Plague1503 Croatia. June 10 2012 22:19. Posts 432 | Profile # |
On June 10 2012 22:14 Shikyo wrote:
Yeah because you get one extra attack off during the animation anyway and the stun doesn't matter, you're also losing out on a furied Q.
Cool cool ty for the protip  |
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| Shikyo Finland. June 10 2012 22:43. Posts 20265 | Profile Blog # |
| What to do vs Draven as Vayne? He just deals twice my dmg and I cant even run away o_O |
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