| Alaric France. June 13 2012 18:48. Posts 8753 | Profile # |
As long as it's tense I don't mind. Great Wukong jukes, Lee Sin running till his wriggles comes off cd to wall hop, flash pulv from Alistar to save his carry, clutch flash heal from Soraka, stuff like that preventing a kill I don't mind. Snoozefest on the other hand...
Well since it's a new page:
Poll: In terms of kill scores, do you prefer games with:I don't care (19) 50% 40-40 (10) 26% 5-5 (9) 24% 38 total votes Your vote: In terms of kill scores, do you prefer games with: (Vote): 5-5
(Vote): 40-40
(Vote): I don't care
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| Shiv. June 13 2012 18:53. Posts 1902 | Profile # |
nevermind, Alaric beat me to it.
I think the issue with high kill games is that more often than not, they tend to be really really snowbally. I don't enjoy watching other teams completely dismember others (unless it's TSM, huehuehue) without them having a real chance of coming back. What's the point in watching a game post 15 minutes if one team has a 10k gold lead already. I'm obviously exaggerating, but I hope I get my point across.
My vote was 'I don't care', because it's not so much about the kills but clutch/cool plays I want to see. It's okay if the score is 4-6 23 minutes in if Nidalee managed to escape thrice with 30hp. Last edit: 2012-06-13 18:56:49 |
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| Alaric France. June 13 2012 18:57. Posts 8753 | Profile # |
I saw you edit that "somebody" into "Alaric", my heart is still broken.  |
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| Shiv. June 13 2012 19:01. Posts 1902 | Profile # |
On June 13 2012 18:57 Alaric wrote:I saw you edit that "somebody" into "Alaric", my heart is still broken.
I just saw the poll and immediately hit edit. For what it's worth, as soon as I recognized your signature (WHICH YOU SHOULD CHANGE, LoL > SC2), I edited it again. |
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| Alaric France. June 13 2012 19:04. Posts 8753 | Profile # |
| That build has been obsolete for more than a year anyway, I just liked the quote (and the build, arguably, shit was fun). |
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| RogerX New Zealand. June 13 2012 19:58. Posts 2488 | Profile Blog # |
Starting to play ranked games again guys, so i'll be doing my little spammy posts here again. :D
How does Ryze counter Ahri exactly? I'm not sure but it feels like Ryze barely beats ahri, is the strategy to camp till lvl 6 or is it to harass the fk out of her early, because when she lands her Q on me, its quite deadly. (I believe Ahri's Q has a longer range than Ryze Q or W) I don't play mid roles as I try to avoid it but I need some tips on when I do. |
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| Slayer91 Ireland. June 13 2012 20:02. Posts 8823 | Profile # |
| I believe it's more in teamfights where she has trouble jumping in and getting insta rooted/nuked. |
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| Shiv. June 13 2012 20:09. Posts 1902 | Profile # |
On June 13 2012 19:58 RogerX wrote:
Starting to play ranked games again guys, so i'll be doing my little spammy posts here again. :D
How does Ryze counter Ahri exactly? I'm not sure but it feels like Ryze barely beats ahri, is the strategy to camp till lvl 6 or is it to harass the fk out of her early, because when she lands her Q on me, its quite deadly. (I believe Ahri's Q has a longer range than Ryze Q or W) I don't play mid roles as I try to avoid it but I need some tips on when I do.
Funnily, I can't recall the last time I played against a Ryze and DIDN'T get an early gank. The reason Ryze is considered to be decent against Ahri is that she can't pull of her ''sup I hit 6 and 100-0 you if I hit everything without really being in danger to get killed myself'' bullshit against him because of W. That being said, her Q outranges your entire kit (it has 880 range according to the wiki) and if Ahri is decent, you'll eat a Q whenever you try to harass her without really coming close enough to her. I'd say you're best off farming passively and wait for ganks.
One of the biggest strengths of a good Ahri is the ability to hit 6 before your opponent, double up her own creepwave and then all-in you with Ult+Ignite. If that happens, W her about 0.75 seconds after she used R for the first time, try to juke the E and then run for your life.
Ryze scales better than Ahri does, at least in my opinion. Farm as much as you can and it should be a reasonable matchup. Last edit: 2012-06-13 20:10:55 |
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| Alaric France. June 13 2012 20:16. Posts 8753 | Profile # |
| According to the wiki every ability of Ahri outranges Ryze heavily. One thing that surprised me more is a 1800 friend who was adviced to take Swain against her by a 2k friend of his. Swain's as outranged as Ryze, his W isn't instant and she'll never hit his full Q as long as she's got an ult charge remaining. |
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| Shiv. June 13 2012 20:21. Posts 1902 | Profile # |
On June 13 2012 20:16 Alaric wrote:
According to the wiki every ability of Ahri outranges Ryze heavily. One thing that surprised me more is a 1800 friend who was adviced to take Swain against her by a 2k friend of his. Swain's as outranged as Ryze, his W isn't instant and she'll never hit his full Q as long as she's got an ult charge remaining.
People keep telling me Swain's a counter to Ahri, I keep eating Swains alive. If you hit 6 simultaneously, you're fucked because Ahri takes too long to kill people to really burst him down. Then again, in my opinion, Ahri is all about hitting 6 before your opponent, so that's that. |
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| Shikyo Finland. June 13 2012 20:22. Posts 20141 | Profile Blog # |
| Ahri usually uses Q to farm and there Ryze has a nice opening for some QWEQ harrass, apart from that yeah it's basically the snare and also the thing that Ahri shouldn't be able to instagib ryze and ryze is stronger late |
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| Alaric France. June 13 2012 20:32. Posts 8753 | Profile # |
Well I don't think Swain is a counter to Ahri in any way, as he can't harass her unless she says "ok, I let you come close without unloading everything on your bald face" and she can easily outpush him, especially pre-6, so while she has map presence and can go and gank whenever she pleases, Swain can't follow her without losing a lot of cs and he can't really take her tower when she's away either.
People complain about Morgana but when playing Swain I'd have a Morg over an Ahri any day.  |
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| Shiv. June 13 2012 20:35. Posts 1902 | Profile # |
On June 13 2012 20:22 Shikyo wrote:
Ahri usually uses Q to farm and there Ryze has a nice opening for some QWEQ harrass, apart from that yeah it's basically the snare and also the thing that Ahri shouldn't be able to instagib ryze and ryze is stronger late
So basically your point is that if Ahri is dumb enough to walk into Ryze's range she's going to get some? Yeah. Also, I'm really interested in why she shouldn't be able to instagib Ryze. |
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| valheru Australia. June 13 2012 20:41. Posts 791 | Profile # |
I think the idea is that you can zone the Ahri with QWEQ and she can't go all in on you since W stops her from ulting. I've never really liked Ryze as a counter to Ahri though. As a slightly favourable matchup fine but I don't think you can say that Ryze is a counter pick to Ahri.
I've had a fair amount of sucess with Morde against Ahri actually push all day and get 6 first keep shield up and you're fine.
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| Dark_Chill Canada. June 13 2012 20:42. Posts 1012 | Profile # |
I don't get Draven. I was playing Ez vs him, and at level 1, he forced me to back with about two auto attacks, a short pause of cs, and hitting me once more while I was cs as well. I thought, "fuck, that's it. Draven op".
Then, at about level 4, I 1v1'd him and beat him. ... I'm not even sure how it worked. I know Ez's w is really good, but I had no idea how that worked out. It was actually as if his axes decreased in damage with levels. Is there any explanation to this? |
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| Shikyo Finland. June 13 2012 20:44. Posts 20141 | Profile Blog # |
On June 13 2012 20:35 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:22 Shikyo wrote:
Ahri usually uses Q to farm and there Ryze has a nice opening for some QWEQ harrass, apart from that yeah it's basically the snare and also the thing that Ahri shouldn't be able to instagib ryze and ryze is stronger late
So basically your point is that if Ahri is dumb enough to walk into Ryze's range she's going to get some? Yeah. Also, I'm really interested in why she shouldn't be able to instagib Ryze.
Yeah and if not ryze gets to freefarm ^-^ |
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| Morfildur Germany. June 13 2012 20:51. Posts 3489 | Profile Blog # |
On June 13 2012 20:42 Dark_Chill wrote:
I don't get Draven. I was playing Ez vs him, and at level 1, he forced me to back with about two auto attacks, a short pause of cs, and hitting me once more while I was cs as well. I thought, "fuck, that's it. Draven op".
Then, at about level 4, I 1v1'd him and beat him. ... I'm not even sure how it worked. I know Ez's w is really good, but I had no idea how that worked out. It was actually as if his axes decreased in damage with levels. Is there any explanation to this?
His damage is very reliant on his axes actually being used as well as his W being used. His damage is good without the axes but it increases exponentially when he actually uses his Q (Spinning axes) correctly. However, either way his initial burst is not that strong, he can just sustain his "burst" for a longer period when played well by catching axes and refreshing his W constantly.
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| Alaric France. June 13 2012 20:54. Posts 8753 | Profile # |
| Also his passive has a good base (30) so at level 1 it can be quite significant that he hit it twice or around, while at level 4 it did matter less. |
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| Shiv. June 13 2012 21:41. Posts 1902 | Profile # |
On June 13 2012 20:44 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:35 Shiv. wrote:
On June 13 2012 20:22 Shikyo wrote:
Ahri usually uses Q to farm and there Ryze has a nice opening for some QWEQ harrass, apart from that yeah it's basically the snare and also the thing that Ahri shouldn't be able to instagib ryze and ryze is stronger late
So basically your point is that if Ahri is dumb enough to walk into Ryze's range she's going to get some? Yeah. Also, I'm really interested in why she shouldn't be able to instagib Ryze.
Yeah and if not ryze gets to freefarm ^-^
That I can agree with. I mean, yeah, I got this idea from someone in the forum, I think it was zulu, that Ahri is supposed to hit 6 before her opponent does and then just snowball the fuck out of the lane. It works really well for me, and it also works for Ryze. I usually ask for an early gank though, because most Ryzes still tend to build tear first even if they get behind. |
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| Plague1503 Croatia. June 13 2012 22:08. Posts 432 | Profile # |
| How to lane vs Yorick as Renekton? I got my ass handed to me today HARD, even though we won in the end. |
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