Newbie Mini Mafia XVI

You were tunneling a lot of townies in the beginning, and in the end you couldn't make up your mind.
You caused a lot of confusion by pushing so many different cases, then constantly backing off.

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Release United States. June 15 2012 08:35. Posts 3973

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You guys want to concede to ET?
This game is basically over and we can have more open discussion then.

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Vivax Italy. June 15 2012 08:40. Posts 3836

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I conceded.

Could you post mafia and observer qt?

There you will see how much work there's involved in playing scum <_<

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Release United States. June 15 2012 08:43. Posts 3973

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Real mean play scum w/o a QT

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Release United States. June 15 2012 08:43. Posts 3973

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men*

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ShiaoPi Taiwan. June 15 2012 08:43. Posts 1357

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I can imagine Vivax^^
But for once I would love to roll scum all games as townie until now

ha236 Sweden. June 15 2012 10:53. Posts 36

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##vote: vivax

sorry guys, I realise now how superficial all my posts and thoughts were.

gg

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EchelonTee United States. June 15 2012 15:02. Posts 3404

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GG, Town victory. Will make larger post when I'm home.

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Release United States. June 15 2012 15:02. Posts 3973

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Fos: ShiaoPi
Those RB claims are awfully scummy. Your posts reek of scum.

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ShiaoPi Taiwan. June 15 2012 19:00. Posts 1357

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I know Release, but look at yourself, always batshit aggressive and screwing around with everyone, you deserve this as well:

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marvellosity United Kingdom. June 15 2012 21:23. Posts 11496

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No Release, if someone gets roleblocked then they just say so. This is information that town doesn't have that it now has. You also need to not tunnel. You were on ha constantly but never reevaluated or thought of anything else. I criticise because I think you could be a good town player, but sometimes you need to take a step back and reevaluate, and listen to others.

On the blue claims - grush's fakeclaim turned out good for town, but i don't think it was a good play. It became a good play because KtheZ counterclaimed and a real DT still existed. grush was already heavily suspicious, so the correct play for KtheZ I think would have been to try to argue your way out of the situation without counterclaiming.

Lazer - you could probably have worked out grush was town. It's a silly play for town, but it's INSANE for mafia. And then think, if you were a vanilla townie and you were fake-accused by a DT (think - there are no millers, you know you are townie, therefore the claim MUST be fake) would you counterclaim to clear yourself? Almost 100% the answer is no you would not, you would know the guy is lying and argue about that. Therefore once the counterclaim in you knew who the 2 scum were.

However you presented your case well in the end (although you mislynched first). The check on Vivax night 1 was of course excellent. I can't remember who said it day 1, but they said Vivax wasn't playing like he played as town last game, and they were absolutely correct. So great check. In this regard both mafia suffered from playing scummily. Vivax got caught by Lazer, and although grush's claim was nuts, he effectively claimed because he was sure KtheZ was scum from his play too.

Another point of amusement was the town medic and DT going at each other day 1. Unfortunate but funny.

Edit: to ha236 - if you're being mercilessly tunneled, at some point you need to just ignore it and go about your own business of scumhunting. Your whole game was spent in an argument with Release. It will probably be very hard to convince him that you're town, but if you do some nice scumhunting then the rest of town will start to see you as townie, which is what matters. As the game went it didn't matter in the end, but you could easily have turned into an easy mislynch for scum. Don't take this too harshly, it's very hard not to react how you did. I was tunneled similarly in LIII by BlazingHand and we got into several very heated (and less polite!) exchanges as well. But in the end I managed to make my play pro-town enough that town was ignoring him and he had to drop it.

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s0Lstice United States. June 16 2012 04:42. Posts 935

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So we are officially in post-game right? where is everyone?!

I'm pretty pumped town won this game. I want to congratulate the townies and say gg to everyone.

I was doing backflips with all the claims and counter-claims. KtheZ's gambit was certainly a ballsy move...grush57 too.

KtheZ, can you walk me through your reasoning with that claim?

Also, can we get the mafia QT please?

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Blazinghand United States. June 16 2012 04:45. Posts 12227

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I don't have the mafia QT, but here's the Obs/Dead QT:

http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/QtrFYBJ3kQe

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hegeo Germany. June 16 2012 05:04. Posts 186

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GG guys, even though with some luck in the end, I'm happy to see town win... after killing another medic D1

Zen I feel for you.

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Release United States. June 16 2012 05:08. Posts 3973

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Ahhhhh

You guys didn't understand what i was doing night 2. I played like shit to survive. Was there a DT? Ofc. Therefore it would make sense to have someone get RBed. I doubt this obvious statement, and Kthez points out i'm playing badly. I make an extremely obvious "dont wory kthez" so kthez will spare my life.

Also, as i was posting that big bullshit thing against ha236, i confirmed my suspicions that he was town (I was never planning to lynch both Grush and Ha) and i was trying to elicit a response from Kthez, ShiaoPi, and Vivax. Kthez was too complacent with my case against ha, which confirmed that LM was indeed the DT (from his breadcrumb) earlier, and he was scum. ShiaoPi and Vivax both stayed pretty silent so i had no idea who was the other scum. I was honestly a little disappointed that LM made a poor case against Vivax and got myself into this WIFOM about who he checked last :
"he makes a poor case against vivax which will get shut down, so i guess he is hinting at Shiaopi, BUT maybe he is just doing the obvious thing and making a case against the person who he checked."

I can see how my day2 and particularly night 2 caused a lot of confusion though.

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Blazinghand United States. June 16 2012 05:14. Posts 12227

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I really enjoyed watching this game! Make sure to sign up for other games around TL Mafia, including non-newbie games if you're feeling comfortable doing so.

Also, counter-claiming a claimed blue is very risky as scum, since unless town is at LYLO they might just lynch both of you. Also, fake-claiming blue is very risky as town, since the real DT could counter-claim you and both of you might get lynched...

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Release United States. June 16 2012 05:15. Posts 3973

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I have no idea why i doubted the RB claim though

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KtheZ United States. June 16 2012 05:17. Posts 669

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Reasoning on my claim:

grush claimed DT against me, and I thought he really was DT, so I resigned myself to death and counterclaimed, hoping to get grush the DT lynched and then I would be lynched the next day, but it would pave the path for vivax to screw with town.
Basically I had to make a quick decision so I chose to claim DT since I was fucked in my opinion.

Course, when grush appeared to rescind and flipped townie, we scum got our panties in a knot and had to make sure we shot whoever was NOT dt. I was sure that the DT would claim at night, and we tried to NOT hit the dt so I could push a lynch on him the next day.

Course the DT claimed but we didnt have enough time to switch our vote, because he posted in the last minute (which is quite a gimmick in my opinion).

Basically in almost all scenarios I was screwed unless Grush was town claiming to be DT, which to me seemed pretty improbable

KtheZ United States. June 16 2012 05:18. Posts 669

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I had to counter claim blue because grush claimed to have check me as scum (which I was). So I figured he really was the DT. Thus I wanted to get town to mislynch grush and then be lynched the next day, which would provide favorable odds for vivax