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 zatic Germany. June 08 2012 10:07. Posts 11820 | Profile Blog # |
TLHF is one of the lowest maintenance forums on TL for our mod staff. One of the reasons TLHF was given its own forum was that it didn't require much moderation.
I guess most people here just post very well, put in effort, are constructive, and well mannered. Pretty much a model TL sub forum.
I can maybe think of a handful of bans that resulted from this forum.
Which makes it all the more annoying to see threads like this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343067
Posts like
and all the reinforcing quotes are simply unacceptable. This level of posting would get you a straight ban from the Strategy forum. And when it comes to threads like the example, the two forums are very much alike actually.
You only need to look at the thread to see what happens when people post without putting in effort, being constructive, or being well mannered.
Additionally, this forum was also created to get the overall TLHF theme away from a pure weight lifting thread - which the old initiative had become. This worked very well for a while, but recently the TLHF veterans "gung-ho-ness" about weightlifting becomes obnoxious again, as RedJustice aptly put it.
Please, I don't want to single Ingenol out. His post was just a perfect example for what goes wrong around here currently.
Nobody wants to start moderating this forum. And I am positive there won't be any need once the regulars lead with example again. So for future similar help threads, please let's return to being a friendly bunch who gladly put some work into helping others seeking advice here.
Basically let's make this the Strategy forum without all the red text. |
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| mordek United States. June 09 2012 00:15. Posts 3367 | Profile Blog # |
<3 TLHF. My favorite community on this site. Agreed, let's keep it the best sub-forum  |
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| Anabolicqt United States. June 09 2012 01:24. Posts 68 | Profile # |
| Disagreements are going to happen all the time in this forum since health and nutrition has so many differing views and opinions. Someone is not always going to be "wrong" while the other person is "right". |
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| mordek United States. June 09 2012 01:28. Posts 3367 | Profile Blog # |
On June 09 2012 01:24 Anabolicqt wrote:
Disagreements are going to happen all the time in this forum since health and nutrition has so many differing views and opinions. Someone is not always going to be "wrong" while the other person is "right".
Yes, but just like in the Strategy forum, claims need to be substantiated and posts thought-out. Most importantly, you don't have to be a tool and to express you're opinion, which should be the case anywhere. Making an uninformed statements with good intentions or even just having a less popular view is not what Zatic is talking about I think. |
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| RosaParksStoleMySeat Japan. June 09 2012 01:46. Posts 917 | Profile # |
Maybe I'm just dumb, but what exactly was wrong with Ingenol's post? It wasn't exactly a specific step-by-step guide to success, but it was very informative and spot on advice considering the OP's situation. Did you just want him to go more in depth?
I think one of the big things is that a lot of the old timers get a bit tired of answering the same questions over and over again. "I want to lose weight"/"I need to gain weight" have been answered dozens of times in the TLHF forum, and there's information on both in the forum's main thread (TLHF initiative). Eshlow has done a good job of outlining how to do both in those threads, so not making use of that resource is silly.
I agree that this forum is great in that everybody seems to get along very well and aside from a few incidents there haven't been any big stupid arguments (the arguments that make me avoid a lot of the other forums...), but I don't see what's wrong with using bite-sized posts to answer questions that can be answered by them. |
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 JingleHell United States. June 09 2012 01:59. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
Not to seem too contradictory, but I haven't felt like they were pushing lifting too hard. I came here, asked a few questions, sent a couple PMs, and have yet to feel ostracized because lifting weights isn't my thing.
The thread you're talking about follows a formula a lot like our poor Tech board sees all too often. It almost reminds me of the guys who come in making long winded AMD fanboy threads, acting like benchmarks are an opinion, and Intel paid off every reputable benchmarking site, as proven by youtube video A.
When someone says that the facts don't apply to them, rather than looking for where human error might be causing them to mis-use the facts, they're going to be hard-pressed to get people to say what they want to hear. |
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| Anabolicqt United States. June 09 2012 02:14. Posts 68 | Profile # |
On June 09 2012 01:28 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 01:24 Anabolicqt wrote:
Disagreements are going to happen all the time in this forum since health and nutrition has so many differing views and opinions. Someone is not always going to be "wrong" while the other person is "right".
Yes, but just like in the Strategy forum, claims need to be substantiated and posts thought-out. Most importantly, you don't have to be a tool and to express you're opinion, which should be the case anywhere.
I agree with you. In the thread that got closed it just seemed like people came into the conversation with their own ideas about what do without being able to compromise that the other side could be making a valid point. This of course led to some arguments and actually helping the OP took a back seat. |
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| NeedsmoreCELLTECH Netherlands. June 09 2012 02:16. Posts 621 | Profile Blog # |
On June 09 2012 01:46 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Maybe I'm just dumb, but what exactly was wrong with Ingenol's post? It wasn't exactly a specific step-by-step guide to success, but it was very informative and spot on advice considering the OP's situation. Did you just want him to go more in depth?
I think one of the big things is that a lot of the old timers get a bit tired of answering the same questions over and over again. "I want to lose weight"/"I need to gain weight" have been answered dozens of times in the TLHF forum, and there's information on both in the forum's main thread (TLHF initiative). Eshlow has done a good job of outlining how to do both in those threads, so not making use of that resource is silly.
I agree that this forum is great in that everybody seems to get along very well and aside from a few incidents there haven't been any big stupid arguments (the arguments that make me avoid a lot of the other forums...), but I don't see what's wrong with using bite-sized posts to answer questions that can be answered by them.
I feel that you're right. However, in order to keep up TL standards, a two line response will simply not do. Period.
So if the question has been answered before, redirecting them to another post along with one or two lines would be perfect.
Furthermore, the whole 'squatz oatz brah' has worked fantastically for me, which is why I understand people blinding shoving it towards others. It is not the only way, however, and it shouldn't be presented as such. |
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