Artist @ MLG - Page 6

On June 11 2012 08:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
do they not check with the players if they are going to attend? is there some confirmation thing? or do they just seed people and are like well i hope they show up!

With the present information available to us, it would seem the latter is the reality. We will need to wait for further information (from MLG) to confirm or deny this.

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MysteryTerran United States. June 11 2012 08:07. Posts 178

I think that is how MLG has always done things. I have competed in a few of their tournaments back when they had Halo 2. One of the times I had missed my check-in for FFA in which i was already seeded. It didnt really make a difference cause back then FFA was 8 players and missing 1 of the 8 usually didnt make a difference unless you were on a team, because your results in FFA went towards how your team was seeded. Maybe they just haven't caught up on how to handle these sorta situations yet?

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Ruscour June 11 2012 08:07. Posts 5116

Artist deserves to be there, but he can't get there, sooo...

divito Canada. June 11 2012 08:09. Posts 1134

You guys are creating an issue out of nothing. Xeris wasn't criticizing Artist, or his personal issues over why he hasn't shown up to the events. It's that MLG has no policy or setup in place (and whether they do, they haven't done it) to deal with players that are seeded that are unable to come to the event. This creates a whole host of problems.

Stop the sarcastic remarks acting like Xeris is calling out Artist, it's not even close to what he wrote. Learn to read.

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MysteryTerran United States. June 11 2012 08:10. Posts 178

On June 11 2012 08:09 divito wrote:
You guys are creating an issue out of nothing. Xeris wasn't criticizing Artist, or his personal issues over why he hasn't shown up to the events. It's that MLG has no policy or setup in place (and whether they do, they haven't done it) to deal with players that are seeded that are unable to come to the event. This creates a whole host of problems.

Stop the sarcastic remarks acting like Xeris is calling out Artist, it's not even close to what he wrote. Learn to read.

So him putting Artist's name in the title isnt singling someone out? Then please tell me how you single someone out

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FabledIntegral United States. June 11 2012 08:12. Posts 8361

The amount of people that are misinterpreting the OP is astounding. He's not bashing Artist whatsoever, and is only recommending MLG change their policy. He's not starting drama nor is he stating that MLG is garbage or anything. The lack of quality posts is ridiculous. Xeris has a point.

On June 11 2012 08:10 MysteryTerran wrote:

So him putting Artist's name in the title isnt singling someone out? Then please tell me how you single someone out

No, it isn't. Stop being such a baby and trying to stir shit. It's clearly not the intention, and the OP already clarified. My god, this sort of posting from all the braindeads is really what shits up the forums.

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System42 June 11 2012 08:12. Posts 171

On June 11 2012 04:38 Chargelot wrote:

This isn't really about Artist's back story, but rather the way MLG failed to handle it. Consider actually reading the thread. We all know why Artist didn't show, but that doesn't excuse MLG for failing to respond.

LOL dude its not there fault Artist did not tell them maybe you should actually think before saying anything.

Chargelot June 11 2012 08:14. Posts 2274

On June 11 2012 08:10 MysteryTerran wrote:

so make a thread w/ his name singling him out, then post later saying it wasnt that big a deal and you werent trying to single him out.

Xeris is a rather prominent community leader. He is the Head Administrator of Communications for the CSL, he runs team LighT, and formerly managed team Fnatic, and he has always been very active here on Team Liquid. His original post claiming he has a problem with "MLG", and his word that he is not targeting Artist, is more than enough to prove he is not.

On June 11 2012 08:12 System42 wrote:

LOL dude its not there fault Artist did not tell them maybe you should actually think before saying anything.

I can tell you won't last more than a few weeks. MLG is a large organization containing dozens of intelligent businesspeople who are more than capable of patching a hole in their system that allows a no-show to be seeded into the bracket. It's not exactly rocket science. It doesn't matter if Artist claimed "I'm going to no-show on purpose just to fuck everyone over", MLG should have a system which doesn't allow this to have any effect on the tournament.

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dearyuna United States. June 11 2012 08:18. Posts 292

I like the idea of the check-ins, but I'd also like to ask about another scenario.

Let's say a player checked in and happened to be seeded far in the OWB, but didn't show to his match (because he got deathly ill or something... idk).
Wouldn't that still cause the same free-win/walkover problem?
Just asking ^^

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VirgilSC2 United States. June 11 2012 08:21. Posts 5743

On June 11 2012 08:18 dearyuna wrote:
I like the idea of the check-ins, but I'd also like to ask about another scenario.

Let's say a player checked in and happened to be seeded far in the OWB, but didn't show to his match (because he got deathly ill or something... idk).
Wouldn't that still cause the same free-win/walkover problem?
Just asking ^^

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ObliviousNA United States. June 11 2012 08:22. Posts 447

I understand Xeris didn't mean to insult Artist, but the OP absolutely seems like it's a complaint thread regarding the player, not the policy. Saying "he hasn't shown up to the event" and "I wish I could get top 48 at an MLG I didn't even play in" sounds pretty antagonistic.

Since the OP is so Artist-centric (using him and ONLY him as the example of the incorrect policy) it would be nice to tell people about Artist's situation so casual readers don't leave the thread misinformed about a good player.

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Chargelot June 11 2012 08:23. Posts 2274

No shows can still happen even if the players check in, but it's rare, and is usually caused by some grave misunderstanding or an emergency. I think in the event of a player falling seriously ill, it would not be an issue at all to allow the walk over for his opponent. It's more about the no-show allowing a player to further no-show in a different event, which may or may not allow him to be seeded into the next Arena. It's the exact kind of free ride that MLG changed their system to prevent.

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Probe1 United States. June 11 2012 08:25. Posts 16445

How could you argue that it is not Artists fault? He didn't have a team to pay for him and he did not attend. That sucks but I don't have a space ship so I can't be an astronaut. Strike him from the list and let someone who will attend take his place.

It's not pleasant but it should not be a big deal. Go or be replaced.

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FabledIntegral United States. June 11 2012 08:32. Posts 8361

On June 11 2012 08:25 Probe1 wrote:
How could you argue that it is not Artists fault? He didn't have a team to pay for him and he did not attend. That sucks but I don't have a space ship so I can't be an astronaut. Strike him from the list and let someone who will attend take his place.

It's not pleasant but it should not be a big deal. Go or be replaced.

You mean how could you argue that it *is* his fault? :o

MysteryTerran United States. June 11 2012 08:33. Posts 178

On June 11 2012 08:12 FabledIntegral wrote:
The amount of people that are misinterpreting the OP is astounding. He's not bashing Artist whatsoever, and is only recommending MLG change their policy. He's not starting drama nor is he stating that MLG is garbage or anything. The lack of quality posts is ridiculous. Xeris has a point.

How am I being a baby? I am simply stating what has been said. He got a lot of flack for singling Artist out, and then he makes a post saying that the this isnt a big deal and that he didnt want to single out Artist... Yet he thought it was important enough to skip notifying MLG Staff(He manages team LighT so he kinda has his foot in the door so it wouldn't be a problem for him to talk to someone important at MLG)and brings it straight to TL. And if you have been on TL for a while you would know that this community can make or break a person/player. Look at Destiny, or Orb for example.. He knew before he posted what could happen to Artist's reputation, and if he didn't foresee that then he is a pretty ignorant manager..

I get that people make mistakes and he could have thought nothing of naming the thread "Artist @ MLG" If it really isn't a big deal and isn't about Artist then why hasnt the title been changed or why use that title in the first place? cause to me(someone who thinks for themselves and doesn't ride anyones jock) it seems like a silent attack on Artist's reputation. To clear this up all Xeris would have to do is admit he made the mistake of putting his name in the title and ask an Admin to change it to something more broad like "No-Shows @ MLG," as well as edit his original post... Cause there's a lot of "He's" in there which takes from MLG being the problem and puts more emphasis on Artist...

That would solve the problem and then we could get into a discussion about how MLG needs to take another look at how they check-in and seed players.

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Chargelot June 11 2012 08:36. Posts 2274

Artist is a good example of someone who has been seeded into an MLG bracket based on his no-show, and will likely be seeded into the next arena because of his "performance" at this no-show. Is Xeris supposed to provide an argument, but not proof? The problem can't be stated as "No shows can be seeded". If it is to be fixed, MLG needs to see exactly where it went wrong, and how. Else they will not know what they need to fix.

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Xeris Iran. June 11 2012 08:36. Posts 16869

I'm not complaining or bashing anyone or anything, just bringing up a talking point. That's what forums are for. It's the same as anyone talking about an issue on SOTG or ITG, it's just a fun topic to discuss.

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ErAsc2 Sweden. June 11 2012 08:37. Posts 256

On June 11 2012 03:54 Xeris wrote:
I've got one small issue with MLG. For the past two Championship events... they've seeded Artist into Open Bracket Winners round 5 and he hasn't shown up to the event.

Why is this a problem? It means that whoever has him in their bracket path gets a free win into open winners 6... and whoever has him in the loser bracket path gets a free win to round 8 of loser bracket.

Secondly (and what happened last time). Because he's technically *IN* the bracket, he gets to be invited to the Arena qualifier. This means he'll be knocking other players out of the tournament even though he won't even attend MLG.

He basically qualified for the Arena, didn't go, but still got seeded into MLG, and didn't go, and it just made for a lame experience. That was one more deserving player who could have participated in this MLG but didn't get the chance to, and however many people he eliminated from the Arena qualifier.

It's a small issue, but I think it's important enough to bring up. I'm hoping he doesn't get invited to the next Arena qualifier because of his "placement" at this MLG (I wish I could get top 48 at an MLG I didn't even play in)

You asked the guy that didn't recieve his fnatic bag for 8months to not go public about it and talk to you in private.

You asked the guy who got scammed by gosucoaching without getting his money back for 5months to not go public about it and talk to you in private.

You asked the guy who's freaking seat you stole and then told the people behind you that you were more important than him, to not go public about it and talk to you in private.

And now here you are making a public thread about an issue that you should just go directly to MLG with as there is no discussion-potential in what you just wrote. The hypocrisy you bring with this thread feels really obnoxious to me...

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NoGasfOu United States. June 11 2012 08:37. Posts 986