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| pigtheman United States. June 11 2012 15:11. Posts 325 | Profile # |
| he's only playing for like amonth LOL |
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| LanTAs United States. June 11 2012 15:14. Posts 1074 | Profile Blog # |
| I don't see flash dominating or any of the bw pros dominating in the next 3-6 months yet. I honestly wasn't very impressed by any of their play. Flash beat bisu and soulkey just by throwing units at them, his micro in armies 75+ food was downright sad and his opponents didn't fully understand the new zerg and protoss macro mechanics yet. |
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| SoniC_eu Denmark. June 11 2012 15:15. Posts 781 | Profile # |
| Mm I don't like this article at all. Who is this guy again? |
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| paralleluniverse Australia. June 11 2012 15:58. Posts 2941 | Profile # |
On June 11 2012 06:50 Richard_Lewis wrote:As we wrap up our coverage of the MLG Anaheim event our resident features writer Jeff Kim has put together a piece that looks at what the recent developments mean for the SC2 landscape. The Brood War pros are finally here, new units are coming out and CBS has agreed to broadcast the next MLG event. Jeff analyses what all this means in his article entitled "One Fell Swoop", an extract from which reads:
Show nested quote +The old Brood War veterans are switching to SC2 and Heart of the Swarm is being released. For those of you that don't follow BW or SC2, this means two major things which we'll be looking at today through a very vague looking glass. Keep in mind I'll attempt to make this easy for all readers to understand, as I know the majority of us aren't too keen on the game and we won't know what the bigger picture is until we understand the smaller pieces.
The first thing that's going to happen is that the Brood War players are going to absolutely dominate the scene, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Although a negative aspect to competition and entertainment value in most people's eyes that haven't followed the Brood War scene, this only adds to the excitement for the "old-schoolers" that lived in the era of the intense storylines, amazing reigns and uncomparable rivalries that was known as the Brood War Era. Flash has already gone 8-0 in his first tournament, and he still considers himself a mediocre player -- always a perfectionist, even in his early career stages. Jaedong's been quoted as saying to Flash right after the match was over: "How are you so good already dude?!" (thanks to Sue Lee for that little tidbit via Twitter).
To read the rest, if you wish to, you can click on this link: http://www.cadred.org/News/Article/178149/
There is no way the BW pros will take over. Maybe in the long run, like in 1-2 years time. But for the next 6 months to 1 year, don't expect this to have any effect. |
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| danakaz Denmark. June 11 2012 16:23. Posts 84 | Profile Blog # |
There's an aspect to this I haven't seen come up yet, while Flash definitely is a special case, and Jaedong and Bisu might as well. SC2 players like MKP and Dongraegu, could potentially have been the "next generation" in BW. Only now, they have a 2 year head start on the Kespa players in a game that is very different.
Both MKP and Dongraegu played BW before SC2, so their mechanics come from the same place as the Kespa players, but as we see the mechanics are not completely transferable. I don't even see HOTS as a hard reset, it will be a lot easier for the SC2 players to transition, than the Kespa players.
If the economics and training difference between the teams doesn't change, the Kespa teams will dominate at some point, but I see no reason in that. We all know this, especially the SC2 teams, they will do their hardest to get equal opportunity. |
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| superstartran United States. June 11 2012 22:40. Posts 1307 | Profile # |
On June 11 2012 13:23 jcroisdale wrote:
I turned off the games cause it was like watching a masters player beat up diamonds. I feel that the writer is a little misguided in his understanding of bw players skill when matched against each other.
Soulkey is GM in Korea, and neither Bisu or Stork are pushovers either. Stork was considered one of the best SC2 players out of the BW group. Bisu just simply didn't play well in the final against Flash, but he was solid for the most part. By no means are any of these players diamond level; they would have utterly smashed anyone that isn't an elite level pro right now.
If Flash with ineffective strategies, tactics, and decision making was able to beat Soulkey, who is currently a GM level player in Korea, then that says alot about his level of play. By no means is he at the Code-S level yet, but to reach the level he has in such a short period of time takes phenomenal talent, which only signifies how good he will do in the future. Alot of people are underestimating alot of the BW pros, simply saying that they just aren't up to par yet. You cannot take their level of play into a vacuum. Have to look at the whole picture. Last edit: 2012-06-11 22:45:23 |
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| HeeroFX United States. June 11 2012 22:48. Posts 1912 | Profile Blog # |
| I don't think the guy who wrote this knew what was going on. Flash is the best out of all of the other players in a tournament that only had BW players in it. If we throw them up against DRG, MC, MVP, MMA I think these guys would win hands down vs flash right now. Eventually these BW legends will become top tier players, but I think we are underestimating the current sc 2 pros. Flash said give him 1 to 2 years to get good. That is a long time and thousands of games. |
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| superstartran United States. June 11 2012 22:51. Posts 1307 | Profile # |
On June 11 2012 22:48 HeeroFX wrote:
I don't think the guy who wrote this knew what was going on. Flash is the best out of all of the other players in a tournament that only had BW players in it. If we throw them up against DRG, MC, MVP, MMA I think these guys would win hands down vs flash right now. Eventually these BW legends will become top tier players, but I think we are underestimating the current sc 2 pros. Flash said give him 1 to 2 years to get good. That is a long time and thousands of games.
The people you listed are the elite level pros right now. Considering Flash has only played like 2 months at best of SC2, that says alot. I wouldn't be surprised if Flash took a game or two off of them, or even surprised a few people with a creative timing attack and actually caught them with their pants down and actually took a bo3 off of them by sheer luck.
Throw Flash against any mid tier pro right now and he'd probably utterly smash them. He's already proven that his level of play is way above GM level (beat Soulkey in game 2 with a weird decision, did not have to move out but did so anyways and still managed to win).
Flash vs Effort versus the Flash at Anaheim is completely different. And that was a really short period of time. It only demonstrates his level of commitment to the game to improve that much that fast. The current crop of BW players will do fine in SC2, and likely overtake the current SC2 pros in the near future (next 6 months to 12 months). They will do so because they just have too much funding and way better infrastructure than the majority of teams. Only a very few select pros from the current SC2 group will likely keep up, and that's only because they were up and coming stars in BW.Last edit: 2012-06-11 22:55:38 |
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| CakeSauc3 United States. June 11 2012 22:55. Posts 307 | Profile # |
On June 11 2012 22:40 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 13:23 jcroisdale wrote:
I turned off the games cause it was like watching a masters player beat up diamonds. I feel that the writer is a little misguided in his understanding of bw players skill when matched against each other.
Soulkey is GM in Korea, and neither Bisu or Stork are pushovers either. Stork was considered one of the best SC2 players out of the BW group. Bisu just simply didn't play well in the final against Flash, but he was solid for the most part. By no means are any of these players diamond level; they would have utterly smashed anyone that isn't an elite level pro right now.
I actually don't understand why everyone is bashing on the bw players, especially Flash. I was not just a little surprised at how well he played; my freaking jaw was dropping on seeing his overall army control, micro, and impeccable macro. It wasn't the best I've ever seen in Sc2, but it was definitely better than anything we saw through 2010 and the first half of 2011.
My personal opinion: Flash is ready for Code A. He's going to lose some games when players focus on countering the small handful of builds that he has, but he can already outplay just about any foreign pro except the big names (SaSe, Thorzain, Naniwa, Stephano...). Had he gone to the real MLG tournament, he might not have gotten top 8 or anything like that, but it wouldn't have surprised me to see him make it out of the open bracket.
The other bw players aren't quite up there yet (Flash is God, after all) but they're going to be right on his heels. Jaedong showed incredible creep spread; the only person I've seen do it better than him was DRG (and even then just this weekend). His macro mechanics are going to blow us away and show us all just how perfectly Zerg can be played in the coming months. And Bisu/Stork... well, I didn't watch them play as much, Flash made it look easy with them, but we'll have to see. I'm not going to make any judgement calls yet.
Anyway, I disagree with most of the people who are commenting here, and I guess my opinion is closer in line with that of the OP. I've been waiting a long time to see the bw players in Sc2, and though at first I was worried to see if they would be able to adapt, all those fears have been quieted. I feel cool and confident that the bw pros are going to take Sc2 to its next levels in the coming months.
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| TheSir June 11 2012 22:57. Posts 1576 | Profile # |
| Stopped reading after 'Pc scene dying off" |
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