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| hellokittySC2 United States. June 12 2012 22:46. Posts 329 | Profile # |
7 Gate Blink Stalker All-In
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Hello all, my name is Hellokitty, I am currently a high grandmasters on NA, recently picked up by team Area51 and I am here to share with you my 2 base blink stalker all in vs zergs(80%+ win ratio). WCS top 8 USA.
Sasquatch: This build has a really powerful timing and is extremely versatile vs almost all zerg builds.
The Build
+ Show Spoiler +9 Pylon 11 Probe (chrono) 13 Probe (chrono) 14 Forge (send 12th probe out) 15 Pylon (at opponent's natural if you don't scout gas or fast pool[non14 pool]) 15 Probe (chrono) 18 Nexus(~3:10) 18 Cannon 19 Probe (chrono+ queue up 2nd probe) At this point, you should have 20/18 supply because their zergling kills your pylon at their natural. 20 Gateway(~3:50) 20 Pylon take double assimilators 21 Probe (chorno) ~this is the last time you're going to spend chrono on probes. once gateway's done, make core, zealot Right away. +1 weapon is usually around the 29/36 supply, chrono it once. at 30/36 or 32/36 supply, drop another pylon (in your main if you haven't done so) as core finishes, chorno core for warpgate research, chrono out stalker. ~at this time, your first zealot should be out of your base to scout and micro to kill as many lings as possible. at ~38-39/44 supply, drop down 3 more gateways, continue to chrono on cybercore for warpgate research.(6:25-6:30) queue a sentry back home while continue to make probes this entire time. drop down another pylon(at home) so that you won't be supply blocked around 42/44 marker. at around 44/44 drop down twilight council, take double gas at natural. drop down 1 pylon around enemy's 3rd(your probe should already in position since your zealot and stalker gives you map control) as soon as warpgate is finished, warp in 4 zealots at their 3rd (this lines up perfectly with +1 upgrade, assimilators, and twilight council, so this is really hectic for a lot of multitaskers) send the 5 zealots + stalker into their 3rd (usually hits around 7:50-8:05) send probes into the 2 gas at natural as soon as possible, get +2 upgrade(chrono all spend on that) get blink(1 chrono) make another pylon at main, use the sentry to kill the overlord in your base, warp in 4 more sentries. note: 1 key mistake players make is that they overly micro their zealots, causing their macro to slip around this time. after warping in 4 sentries (total 5), drop down 3 more gateways and 1-2 more pylons, warp next round of 4 stalkers.(the attack should hit at around 10:20-10:40 mark) note : Both of your bases should be saturated with 22 probes total(including gas mining), 1 or 2 extra probes wouldn't be bad, but just make sure you check both, this is usually around 60 supply mark? right before you get your 4 sentries. And you stop making probes period. make pylons and make pure stalkers afterwards 
The Big Picture:
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You're hitting the zerg with 5 zealot and 1 stalker pressure when they have around 40 drones, this forces them to make roaches and zerglings instead of drones, this delays their economy and often forces them to miss some larva injects and micro so their drones and queens don't die.
Your next follow up will deal a lot of damage because the zerg's economy is still on recovery mode(50-60 drones) and if they get greedy with teching it's an instant win, and if they don't have good upgrades, blink micro comes out ahead before any major tech's out.
Why this build works?
+ Show Spoiler +It's a very powerful +2 timing attack with minimum amount of sentries that hits around the 11:00 mark, right before the next round of roaches are out.
It counters almost every single build zergs do such as ling roach, roach, muta, hydra, ling baneling.
It's very Micro based, so the better blink and forcefield micro you have, the better you're going to perform this build.
Replays
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here is my stream channel if anyone's interested when I perform this build live http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=335482
This is my first time making a guide, feel free to ask any questions on here via pm or repost, and let me know what I can add onto the guide!
GL HF Protoss, zerg is food with this build :DLast edit: 2012-09-29 03:20:21 |
| | hellokitty.278, http://twitch.tv/noobeater5 为中国人在星际上争气！ |
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| Xanatoss Germany. June 12 2012 22:58. Posts 517 | Profile # |
| Your Buildorder does not list the first Gateway. |
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| Spec Taiwan. June 12 2012 23:00. Posts 751 | Profile Blog # |
| Congrats on the team pick up :o will you include a way for Zergs so that we won't be food. |
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| hellokittySC2 United States. June 12 2012 23:00. Posts 329 | Profile # |
oops, sorry T.T just woke up ^.^ updated
to spec : infestors, burrow or just good flank with weaponed roaches or +1 armor lings are pretty good
a lot of positioning is involved for zerg to beat this buildLast edit: 2012-06-12 23:01:19 |
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| BackSideAttack June 12 2012 23:02. Posts 654 | Profile # |
| Didn't you get 5th at WCS recently? Or was that someone else? |
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| hellokittySC2 United States. June 12 2012 23:02. Posts 329 | Profile # | |
| | hellokitty.278, http://twitch.tv/noobeater5 为中国人在星际上争气！ |
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| BackSideAttack June 12 2012 23:03. Posts 654 | Profile # |
On June 12 2012 23:02 area51Hellokitty wrote:
yea, 5th-8th
Nice! Its good to see new up and coming foreigners in the scene. Do you stream a lot? I bet i could learn a lot from you!!Last edit: 2012-06-12 23:04:16 |
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| EtherealDeath United States. June 12 2012 23:06. Posts 8158 | Profile Blog # |
| L, did you know, kitties blink. |
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| jamesz123 Canada. June 12 2012 23:14. Posts 2 | Profile # |
Question-
why spend early chrono on probes to 20? wouldn't it be better to not let that pylon-block finish and wait to chrono until after you secure your second pylon in-base
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| hellokittySC2 United States. June 12 2012 23:18. Posts 329 | Profile # |
On June 12 2012 23:14 jamesz123 wrote:
Question-
why spend early chrono on probes to 20? wouldn't it be better to not let that pylon-block finish and wait to chrono until after you secure your second pylon in-base
it's to make sure zerg doesnt take a fast expo, your initial scouting probe should be following the zerg so they don't take their 2nd base for as long as possible, this timing works out perfectly if zerg goes 14 pool and gets 4 zerglings, if you chrono right away you will get 20 probes out before your pylon dies, and this is the most optimized way for me to play, of course you wouldn't want to be supply blocked but the extra 2 probes imo works better into the build order.
edit: plus it slows down the zerg's timing, 100 minerals is worked into the equation, if you don't let that pylon finish your +1 timing hits a Bit faster, but your 7 gate will be weaker due to injects.Last edit: 2012-06-12 23:20:14 |
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| Torte de Lini Canada. June 12 2012 23:26. Posts 27090 | Profile Blog # |
| Congrats on your WCS run :D |
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| Rigorous June 12 2012 23:34. Posts 73 | Profile # |
I think there are two issues with this build. 1) lings may deny your proxy, so your 4 gate pressure is slightly delayed. 2) Many zergs have 3-5 roaches at 8 min to defend against 4 gate pressure. This minimal amount of roaches can kite your zlots so that your 4 gate pressure effectively did nothing.
In addition, I am not sure your 40 drone count is accurate at 8 min. I think it can be pushing high 40 and even 50.
I've seen Desrow doing a similar 4-gate build into 7 gate blink on his stream. He would die often. I think he quit doing. I am not sure this build can generate an 80% win rate as long as the zerg defends your initial 4 gate pressure with minimal losses. |
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| hellokittySC2 United States. June 12 2012 23:41. Posts 329 | Profile # |
On June 12 2012 23:34 Rigorous wrote:
I think there are two issues with this build. 1) lings may deny your proxy, so your 4 gate pressure is slightly delayed. 2) Many zergs have 3-5 roaches at 8 min to defend against 4 gate pressure. This minimal amount of roaches can kite your zlots so that your 4 gate pressure effectively did nothing.
In addition, I am not sure your 40 drone count is accurate at 8 min. I think it can be pushing high 40 and even 50.
I've seen Desrow doing a similar 4-gate build into 7 gate blink on his stream. He would die often. I think he quit doing. I am not sure this build can generate an 80% win rate as long as the zerg defends your initial 4 gate pressure with minimal losses.
yes, the +1 timing shouldn't be scouted, unless you just have terrible zealot and stalker control, your probe and pylon Shouldn't die. if they push for 50, they will take a lot of damage.
and yes, roaches do pop, but you force roaches, and if you do some micro, you can do damage, else just go home and macro if you have less than 200 apm. even if zerg defends first 4 gate pressure with taking No damage, you can still micro your way to victory just by taking the battles at chokes and trap initial units.
again, this is a VERY micro intensive build, if you're having players like Desrow who's micro isn't his forte, it's pretty pointless. |
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| Rigorous June 12 2012 23:46. Posts 73 | Profile # |
On June 12 2012 23:41 area51Hellokitty wrote:
again, this is a VERY micro intensive build, if you're having players like Desrow who's micro isn't his forte, it's pretty pointless.
I'm pretty sure desrow didn't invent the build. I'm pretty sure he got it from Koreans as I've seen it on a few other streams. I don't see this as a dominant build. If it had an 80% win rate, you would see it more often. I agree it's micro-oriented, but a minimal amount or roaches (3-5) can stop 4-gate pressure...nothing you can do to micro zlots against roaches on creep. Especially if there is one spine.
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| ma70 June 12 2012 23:57. Posts 253 | Profile # |
| Nice. I love micro intense builds like this....I like this a lot more than my variation. |
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| Complete United States. June 13 2012 00:04. Posts 816 | Profile # |
| Do you think this is stronger than the immortal/sentry allins versus roach/ling? |
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| hellokittySC2 United States. June 13 2012 00:07. Posts 329 | Profile # |
On June 12 2012 23:46 Rigorous wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 23:41 area51Hellokitty wrote:
again, this is a VERY micro intensive build, if you're having players like Desrow who's micro isn't his forte, it's pretty pointless.
I'm pretty sure desrow didn't invent the build. I'm pretty sure he got it from Koreans as I've seen it on a few other streams. I don't see this as a dominant build. If it had an 80% win rate, you would see it more often. I agree it's micro-oriented, but a minimal amount or roaches (3-5) can stop 4-gate pressure...nothing you can do to micro zlots against roaches on creep. Especially if there is one spine.
thats why you back off or target fire drones + queens, any drone + queen = win |
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| Rigorous June 13 2012 00:12. Posts 73 | Profile # |
On June 13 2012 00:07 area51Hellokitty wrote:
thats why you back off or target fire drones + queens, any drone + queen = win
But if you back off, then you are way behind because you opened 4-gate. I don't see many pros opening with 4-gate pressure anymore, because if you don't do any damage, you are way behind. |
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| Sated England. June 13 2012 00:13. Posts 3450 | Profile Blog # |
On June 12 2012 23:46 Rigorous wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 23:41 area51Hellokitty wrote:
again, this is a VERY micro intensive build, if you're having players like Desrow who's micro isn't his forte, it's pretty pointless.
I'm pretty sure desrow didn't invent the build. I'm pretty sure he got it from Koreans as I've seen it on a few other streams. I don't see this as a dominant build. If it had an 80% win rate, you would see it more often. I agree it's micro-oriented, but a minimal amount or roaches (3-5) can stop 4-gate pressure...nothing you can do to micro zlots against roaches on creep. Especially if there is one spine.
If they make Roaches instead of Drones to defend your 4gate pressure, their economy will be weakened when it comes time to defend the 7gate Blink +2 push. This makes the 7gate attack stronger. Try doing a 7gate Blink +2 push without pressuring and then try it with pressure, you'll see a massive difference. |
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| Maxamix Canada. June 13 2012 00:14. Posts 165 | Profile # |
Plat/diamond zerg here
I have a practice buddy, Slidetalentz NA master, which used this build a couple of time against me. Even after doing some research and playing against this build many times in a row, i still cannot defeat it. I just feel like the timing push is increadable and you can't get infestors to nullify the blink fast enough. I have tried many things. Mad props for the guide and build, even if i am a Z. |
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