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| Hyaach Singapore. July 03 2012 22:41. Posts 1725 | Profile Blog # |
I don't know man, i have a heavy reliance on page 1 and day/night post. I dont keep spreadsheets.
Hey Maju. Thoughts on nosmurfhere? |
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| ShiaoPi Taiwan. July 03 2012 22:44. Posts 1357 | Profile # |
| I don't know what to say...why play then if you cannot even be assed to read the whole thread? |
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| ghost_403 United States. July 03 2012 22:45. Posts 1740 | Profile # | |
| | They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through. |
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| Hyaach Singapore. July 03 2012 22:52. Posts 1725 | Profile Blog # |
Katina's filter auto explains herself.
ShaoPi's filter are easy to make.
Mattchew's list has most turn out town and one turned out ringleader.
After his initial meta push on BM, he never went back to discuss BM's play. Spreads FoS over everyone, granted, they were all making bad post but so was BM. And his response to nosmurfhere's list was kinda odd. quoting it 3 times to make a point?
VE may be town but I don't get how he see Katina as town too. Then he went on to say nosmurfhere looks scummy to discredit his list. |
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| ghost_403 United States. July 03 2012 22:54. Posts 1740 | Profile # |
@Acro: I really don't know what to make of the ET/DrW fight last night. What's most interesting about the whole thing is the fact that ET took great offense to DrW's post, while DrW's post didn't have anything to say about him. I mean, look at it:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 02 2012 17:50 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 15:17 drwiggl3s wrote:
So here's what should be learned from day 1.
BKExe gained first suspicions. Votes were put on him. His posting increased at a rapid rate where he wasn't so much as defending himself as he was putting suspicion on others. There was also a increase of posting by a few others who were soft defending him while pointing fingers at others.
mkmkmk get read as scum by numerous people. All while being pretty much just missing in action. Votes are pushed to him as an easy D1 lynch.
Somehow (I have no clue how his posts were read as scum), people hint and drop Fox's name as a possible scum candidate. After testing the waters, a bandwagon is launched on him and it get's the votes. This lynch not only killed a fellow town, but it also netted 0 information on who else could be scum.
I'd like to throw suspicion on those who are actively throwing suspicion onto others. As the people they are reading as scum are giving me no sense of scumminess at all. While the people who do appear scummy seem to have a team of like minded individuals backing up their claims and dismissing others.
For the love of town, if you're town, don't settle for these mislynches. If we were going to lynch someone, it should have been someone that actually had people defending them. At least this way their death (in vain or not) would give us some valuable information on the people posting in this thread. Any lynch that doesn't support this idea, is a lynch that is proposed by the mafia, and we should look to those who propose it as our next targets.
What about mandalor, acro/VE/BM, Katina, casualman? Did you forget all of these other cases and back and forths? You're being short sighted and extremely critical of town while ignoring a lot of the rest of the day, and acting as though town did something god awful stupid while you were not a big part of the proceedings at all. "I'd like to throw suspicion on those who are actively throwing suspicion onto others." This is the most ironic statement I have ever read. There was a considerable amount of resistance against the mkmkmk lynch (multiple people saying they only viewed mk as a lurker lynch, multiple saying they had a townish read on him); if you're critizing this mislynch as no one defending it, how is mkmkmk such a terrible lynch?
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 17:36 drwiggl3s wrote:
mkmkmk lynch never made sense to me, and unless you give me some justification for it, anyone pushing for this is giving me a scum read.
The only justification I can think of for the Foxtrotter wagon, was that there was a tie between BroodKingExe, Foxtrotter, and mkmkmk. Since they couldn't push enough votes onto mkmkmk to ensure BroodKingexe wouldn't get ninja lynched by some last minute votes, they sprung a new bandwagon on Foxtrotter.
I do agree with Bill Murray in that some people who pushed for the Foxtrotter wagon need to be lynched. Although I'm curious as to who he thinks would be a good target. To me, the best target is already apparent. But since I have no good town read or scum read on Bill, I'd like to hear what he thinks.
I feel like you haven't even been keeping up with the game at all. mkmkmk was in the lead for votes and there was little to no chance that bke was going to be lynched; the mass switch to foxtrot, at least in my personal case, was done because foxtrot seemed more likely to be scum. Hindsight is 20/20 yo. While true that the foxtrot wagon should be looked at, while we don't know the alignments of mkmkmk/BKE, it's weird to make these weird conclusions like "pushing mkmk is scummy".
I have an awful feeling that VE is scum, but we all know how that game goes... Everyone is absent now, what gives? While there isn't the normal assortment of old-time vets, there are numerous competant new players that I've witnessed first hand taking control of a game to help push town forward. At the moment the number of players that have been actually pushing town discussion continuously I can count on one hand, which is extremely troubling for this game.
DrW never really said anything about ET in his post, yet ET dedicates his longest post in the game thus far at countering DrW's post. It's very curious.
The last thing that I want to do is tunnel a townie all day long if my scum-dar is completely off. I'll be keeping a close eye on ET to see what he does, especially this cycle. |
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| EchelonTee United States. July 03 2012 23:01. Posts 3403 | Profile # |
On July 03 2012 09:59 ghost_403 wrote:EchelonTee
I'm confused at this one statement; are you saying that because I'm the only one that said "where the hell is ghost" that tipped you off?
I wouldn't have applied early pressure to BM, nor would I have done a vote switch as scum; that doesn't fit my playstyle, but I don't expect you to believe me based just on that. I'm not an early busser (citation: TL LII jubjub, Liar Game). Also, I probably wouldn't have gone for such "easy fry" cases in mkmk and FT; why would I push two people likely to die that would incriminate me? Most of your case is based off of my hesitancy and being unsure about one case or the other, which does look bad, but that's simply how I felt on each particular issue and I've been as open as I could be on my feelings towards players. Call me hesitant, but not deceptive. I felt off about the mkmkmk lynch later in the day (a feeling which proved to be true) and thus wanted to switch. FT looked like a decent option so I went over.
I realize that I am asking for leniency based on meta which is bullcrap, and because I pushed ~2 mislynches I look quite terrible; I'm just going to try and push better lynches and act more pro-town.
I spent a lot of time arguing with wiggl3s because I detest bad logic; that shouldn't say anything about my alignment.
Going to make a few posts on who I think is scum, following. |
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| Mattchew United States. July 03 2012 23:06. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On July 03 2012 22:52 Hyaach wrote:
Katina's filter auto explains herself.
ShaoPi's filter are easy to make.
Mattchew's list has most turn out town and one turned out ringleader.
After his initial meta push on BM, he never went back to discuss BM's play. Spreads FoS over everyone, granted, they were all making bad post but so was BM. And his response to nosmurfhere's list was kinda odd. quoting it 3 times to make a point?
VE may be town but I don't get how he see Katina as town too. Then he went on to say nosmurfhere looks scummy to discredit his list.
heres my question... have we lost anything of value other than marv? |
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| Mattchew United States. July 03 2012 23:08. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
VE is really quiet and not confident. This doesn't align with his town meta at all.
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| ghost_403 United States. July 03 2012 23:10. Posts 1740 | Profile # |
| @ET: Yeah, pointing out that I'm gone for an entire cycle is my only criteria for finding scum. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts. |
| | They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through. |
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| Mattchew United States. July 03 2012 23:11. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On July 03 2012 22:52 Hyaach wrote:
Mattchew's list has most turn out town and one turned out ringleader.
2 of 6 town
1 of 6 scum
3 of 6 not dead
Do you even bother reading? Why do you sign up for games if you don't want to actually, you know, play in them? |
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| EchelonTee United States. July 03 2012 23:11. Posts 3403 | Profile # |
On July 03 2012 23:10 ghost_403 wrote:
@ET: Yeah, pointing out that I'm gone for an entire cycle is my only criteria for finding scum. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
Is this sarcasm? I touched on your other points as well, ghost. |
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| Acrofales Brazil. July 03 2012 23:14. Posts 5189 | Profile # |
| Ah Mattchew. Can you shed some light on your town read of Katina? |
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| ghost_403 United States. July 03 2012 23:17. Posts 1740 | Profile # |
On July 03 2012 23:11 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 23:10 ghost_403 wrote:
@ET: Yeah, pointing out that I'm gone for an entire cycle is my only criteria for finding scum. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
Is this sarcasm? I touched on your other points as well, ghost.
I saw that. Still waiting for your reads. |
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| Mattchew United States. July 03 2012 23:25. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Acrofales Brazil. July 03 2012 23:42. Posts 5189 | Profile # |
Hrmmm, I disagree. I don't know when she started making decent sensible cases and pushing her reads in Jubjub, but she has not done that yet here. I guess the frivolous nonsense is more like jubjub than like MTG, but I don't get the feeling she's putting effort into scumhunting this game (see her D1 reason, and later defense of her BKE vote), whereas she was clearly doing that in jubjub.
##vote katina |
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| Mattchew United States. July 03 2012 23:45. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On July 03 2012 23:42 Acrofales wrote:Hrmmm, I disagree. I don't know when she started making decent sensible cases and pushing her reads in Jubjub, but she has not done that yet here. I guess the frivolous nonsense is more like jubjub than like MTG, but I don't get the feeling she's putting effort into scumhunting this game (see her D1 reason, and later defense of her BKE vote), whereas she was clearly doing that in jubjub. ##vote katina
I just gave you her entire filter from both games, and you refuse to read it? |
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| Acrofales Brazil. July 03 2012 23:54. Posts 5189 | Profile # |
On July 03 2012 23:45 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 23:42 Acrofales wrote:
On July 03 2012 23:25 Mattchew wrote:
On July 03 2012 23:14 Acrofales wrote:
Ah Mattchew. Can you shed some light on your town read of Katina?
she's playing more like here (jubjub mafia) then here (MTG Mafia)
Hrmmm, I disagree. I don't know when she started making decent sensible cases and pushing her reads in Jubjub, but she has not done that yet here. I guess the frivolous nonsense is more like jubjub than like MTG, but I don't get the feeling she's putting effort into scumhunting this game (see her D1 reason, and later defense of her BKE vote), whereas she was clearly doing that in jubjub. ##vote katina
I just gave you her entire filter from both games, and you refuse to read it?
I read them both. That's what I came away with. |
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| BroodKingEXE United States. July 04 2012 00:02. Posts 794 | Profile Blog # |
No in MTG she skims over the top of posts labeling them good or bad, as opposed to drawing strat behind it in jub jub. Reasoning?
Main reads: Hyaach (you still aren't doing much) and Katina.
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| VisceraEyes United States. July 04 2012 00:26. Posts 9679 | Profile Blog # |
Not enough people are giving assenting or dissenting opinions of Vivax. You guys go look. Now. He has, literally, the BEST chance of flipping scum of anyone in my opinion.
My read o NSH was based on the tone o his posts, and now the tone is explained. It's pretty much as simple as that. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. July 04 2012 00:27. Posts 9679 | Profile Blog # |
I have to go to work, but I expect everyone's opinion of Vivax before I check the thread again when I get to work.
UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS FOR THE WIN!!! |
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