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Also one thing I wanted to mention before I forgot:

I looked over s0lstice's posts again and his main read was Katina. In addition at times he mentioned grush and he caught onto many town tells for many players (such as drwiggles with the Mattchew thing) that I strongly agreed with.

I think his filter is a good read for most townies left alive because he had very clear and reasoned thoughts and he was almost definitely shot by mafia because he was making sense. (that and he was unlikely to pull a prot)

The rastaban death is a bit confusing because his filter is mostly void. Perhaps a blue snipe or a vig shot, though the latter would mean we have at least 3 vigis and one unclaimed with a double stack on marv or s0lstice. I don't think a town vig would hold back from claiming the shot so it's most likely that rastaban was a mafia shot IMO.

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BroodKingEXE United States. July 04 2012 07:16. Posts 801

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With Kat's absence I would prefer to lynch Hyaach or Twelve. Hyaach moreso because of lack of anything done in the game so far. I feel he didn't fake D1 and just used ghost's excuse (although ghost got plenty from it) to move suspicion away from his D1 actions.

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BroodKingEXE United States. July 04 2012 07:21. Posts 801

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EBWOP: I feel we have a better chance of pulling Hyaach from the ranks of the lurkers into defending himself. Unless twelve comes out, I'll keep my vote on him.

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ShiaoPi Taiwan. July 04 2012 07:23. Posts 1357

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Katina:
I skimmed through the filters of the two games posted in this thread and honestly I could not make out that much of a difference, rereading her filter here does yield some scummy things which stand out such as the reasonless bandwagoning, on the other hand she seems really busy and I would say that we can lynch other people for this day and leave her for later if she continues to not contribute.

Twelve:
I am unsure what to make of him, he joins the BKE bandwagon and the foxtrotter one without much explanation, the whole story with his rl buddy seems weird and out of place as he could have simply delievered his reasons for the switch instead of (potententially) making up a strange story, which we are supposed to believe. His whole derpage during night looks like a newbie townie, but why would he accuse someone of godfather then? His disapperance since then is just baffling, no idea what to make of it. A lynch on twelve would probably be as effective as the foxtrotter one was, he is a scummy lurker, but his lynch feels like flipping a coin.

The Target I still want to lynch is hyaach:
He apparently is following the thread but only gets active when it is needed (voting or being called out). So he is pretty much lurking with an aim. His refusal to contribute and participate in discussion in unsettling to me, since he just vanished yet again.

VisceraEyes United States. July 04 2012 07:23. Posts 9734

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I feel better about a Hyaach lynch than either of Katina or Twelve.

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NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 04 2012 07:30. Posts 243

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Given that Shiaopi gave two unsure verdicts on Katina and Twelve and then a scum verdict on a third player who looks the same as the first two, I'd say Hyaach is a bad lynch.

Literally Shiaopi says he doesn't know what to make of Twelve's disappearance but Hyaach's disappearance makes him scum. Dafak?

Let's kill katina or Shiaopi today. Acro what do you think?

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Mattchew United States. July 04 2012 07:31. Posts 5120

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On July 04 2012 07:30 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Given that Shiaopi gave two unsure verdicts on Katina and Twelve and then a scum verdict on a third player who looks the same as the first two, I'd say Hyaach is a bad lynch.

Literally Shiaopi says he doesn't know what to make of Twelve's disappearance but Hyaach's disappearance makes him scum. Dafak?

Let's kill katina or Shiaopi today. Acro what do you think?

doth not care for my opinion?

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ShiaoPi Taiwan. July 04 2012 07:32. Posts 1357

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Hyaach is simply being actively anti-town by not doing anything if not called to do it. That is what makes me think of him as scum in difference to the other two candidates I gave my opinion on.

NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 04 2012 07:34. Posts 243

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Sure Mattchew, what do you think?

It's getting kind of annoying to have to decipher the intentions of these players, it's like most larger games where half the playerbase lurks while throwing weak accusations at the rest of the lurkers. Pretty freaking stupid, honestly.

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NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 04 2012 07:35. Posts 243

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On July 04 2012 07:32 ShiaoPi wrote:

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Hyaach is simply being actively anti-town by not doing anything if not called to do it. That is what makes me think of him as scum in difference to the other two candidates I gave my opinion on.

How is that different from katina and twelve? They haven't done shit all despite being asked too.

Also, what happened to your BKE read? You went from constantly calling him scum to actually agreeing with him.

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ShiaoPi Taiwan. July 04 2012 07:42. Posts 1357

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I am giving Katina some slack because it's her birthday and looking at her filter there is more effort involved at least from my opinion.
Twelve is just unreadable to me. I would see him as newbie town based on his posts but intentions behind it look like scum, so I said it feels like a coinflip to me.
Hyaach in comparison reacts aggressively to being called out and even says: "I have no reason to participate, screw you"

I probably should have added a housekeeping post that BKE is improving in my opinion on his posting and that I am still closely looking when he posts, but am moving to hyaach as the target of active pursuit.
To the agreement stuff, where did I actually say I agree with BKE on that and that thing? The only thing I can see is that he seems willing to lynch hyaach now, where I was actually the first to really pressure him.

Vivax Italy. July 04 2012 07:45. Posts 3881

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I'd vote for Shiao, still not sure about katina. The Shiao I knew as town made longer posts and didn't try to be nice to everyone. To me, he looks like he's trying to avoid any conflict with other players in this game and keeping his activity to a reasonable minimum.

@ NSH

Before I voted for mK:
I defended players from an upcoming bandwagon, but I had no reason to be sure that the people pushing it were scum. However, what made me suspicious was Acrofales coming in aid of VE so fast once I started criticizing the cases on BKE and BM. I also felt like VE and Acro always shared the same opinion. My concluding line regarding both of them was:

On July 02 2012 00:34 Vivax wrote:

What's going on atm?A BKE bandwagon.

I didn't like acrofales and VE after this.

After I voted for mK:

I can't be a serious counterforce to the FT bandwagon if I vote for someone else who's not gonna happen anyway? I just followed the rule: 'Vote for the guy who you believe to be scum and of who you know has the best chance to get other votes'. So I left my vote ticked on mK.

VE also accused me of voting mK and defending him at the same time, while I simply listed the pro and cons in voting for him. Apparently mentioning cons for your votes makes you scummy.

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NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 04 2012 07:53. Posts 243

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Cool, that's a reasonable answer from Vivax. Now, everyone read this:

On July 04 2012 07:42 ShiaoPi wrote:
I am giving Katina some slack because it's her birthday and looking at her filter there is more effort involved at least from my opinion.
Twelve is just unreadable to me. I would see him as newbie town based on his posts but intentions behind it look like scum, so I said it feels like a coinflip to me.
Hyaach in comparison reacts aggressively to being called out and even says: "I have no reason to participate, screw you".

Shiaopi says he "would" read him as newbie town based on his posts (which ones? What parts of his posts?) but that his intentions seem scummy.

Wait what? If the intentions seem scummy then...wouldn't you call him scum?

Now note how he says Hyaach reacts. He says Hyaach reacts aggressively. That's a TOWN TELL.

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Vivax Italy. July 04 2012 07:57. Posts 3881

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Shiao, that post of yours looks like you were shitting your pants while writing it.

I read it like this:

- Katina is scum, but since it's her birthday we have to give her the BOTD.
- Twelve is scum and I don't want to be associated with him.
- Hyaach is a townie who is being snappy. Did I mention that we have to lynch him for that.

Not sure what to gain from his behavior regarding BKE. Gonna have to look through Shiao's filter more for that.

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Hyaach Singapore. July 04 2012 08:01. Posts 1725

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@VE
Vivas is town whose over his head, too much tin foil from him.
BKE is town.
I already said this last night.

ShaoPi is fking weird and I'm not responding to him.

Cut me some slack BKE.
This isn't my scum meta, you think with so many bad post by towns I wouldn't jump in for cases? I wouldn't lose anything even if i push wrongly.

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NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 04 2012 08:05. Posts 243

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So I went back and read Shiaopi's cases in Newbie XVI since I recalled coaching that game. He never messaged me but I recalled during my reading that he was among my strongest townreads (I mostly helped the cop that game)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342960&currentpage=18#350

Look at that post and then compare it to the post he made above on this very page. The difference in tone and willingness to commit to a stance is striking. In XVI Shiaopi is not afraid of forming an opinion on EVERY player in the game. At no point, not even once, does he cut slack or say he doesn't feel sure (but then still continue to justify things one way or another)

Here, Shiaopi completely refuses to take a stance and then makes a piss poor "contribution" in his calling out of Hyaach for what should be a towntell. In addition he dropped his push on BKE from yesterday without as much as a word of explanation (not to mention the explanation I just extracted from him is pathetic)

Kill this guy today.

##unvote Katina
##vote ShiaoPi

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VisceraEyes United States. July 04 2012 08:16. Posts 9734

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##Vote ShiaoPi

/salute

*clocks out*

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ShiaoPi Taiwan. July 04 2012 08:19. Posts 1357

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On July 04 2012 07:53 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Cool, that's a reasonable answer from Vivax. Now, everyone read this:

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Okay looks like I need to post more clearly to stop you from tunneling me wrongly.

Regarding Twelve:

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On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote:
My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts.

-Twelve is parroting the general sentiment of the thread and ninjavotes BKE

Not quoting the whole godfather derpfest

On July 02 2012 04:55 Twelve wrote:
@Mattchew

haha where to start...

My first post that you quote was from before the game even started, so it probably shouldn't be taken to seriously. I simply don't know anyone here and was trying to start a conversation. The fact that you see a contradiction is also puzzling I can sort of see how it could be misinterpreted that I was saying "I am all for the hatred of bandwagons" but thats not what I was saying. In fact I was saying the opposite, I was asking to be clued in so I could join a bandwagon, but this was largely a joke. Suffice to say, anything I said before the game officially started probably shouldn't concern town too much.

I do take issue with your use of the word band wagon though, upon reading the thread I found both BKE and Kurumi extremely suspicious, regardless of other players posts, and made my thoughts known. BKE says alot while conveying extremely little actual information, appearing to be helpful but really just mixing the pot. Kurumi writes long winded, somewhat schizophrenic sounding poems to his co-workers that are about as informative as a fortune cookie. I don't to see a vote count or FOS: BKE FOS:Kurumi for my brain to begin forming conclusions. As for the cutesy yuck bit, he seemed pretty angry that I would vote in the vote in the voting thread without warning him, so I tried to keep things light

(read: I wrote something much ruder but thought better of it and decided to kill him with niceness :D)

As far as calling out casualman, I tried very hard to think of any strategic reason a town would vote for themselves and I could think of none. I had the same issue with VE voting for himself, but voted unvoted in the same post, sort of like lowering and raising a supply depot while you wait for your rax to build i guess, so I really don't have a problem with it going under the radar.

-Still no real explanation of his vote, but wall of text

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I am bad at phrasing it out but what I want to convey is that he is giving me newb town vibes from his posting but one could interpret scummy intention behind it. Therefore it is not out of the realm of possibilty for him to flip scum, but I doubt it.

on hyaach

Since when is reacting aggressively a surefire towntell? Wouldn't a townie be happy to lay out his reasoning and reads if it helps town? What I was referring to was e.g. this quote:

On July 02 2012 20:15 Hyaach wrote:
to you? no thanks.

Was his answer to my question regarding his reads/opinions. Or the following:

On July 03 2012 12:32 Hyaach wrote:
I've actually stayed out of the mud sling last night and maintain a clear view. If you want a case, I'll do one.

Why do we have to request a case from someone who should be making cases as it is part of his wincon to get mafia lynched?

The open hostility in his posts simply make it hard for me to believe that he is town.

ShiaoPi Taiwan. July 04 2012 08:22. Posts 1357

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EBWOP: just saw your follow up NSH

Maybe it is playing out the newb card but I am finding it really difficult to make sure reads in a large game with 20+ players on everyone. Sorry that I am not that good.

Oh yeah, Vivax stop sheeping, it does not fit your meta as town

Well go ahead an lynch me, I will flip VT.