| Mattchew United States. July 07 2012 21:43. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
| Also in my mind if hyaach is actually dt VE is pretty townie cause I would expect him to be a lot firmer in his opinions and course of action as scum vs a dt claim ... Thoughts |
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| Katina United States. July 08 2012 01:44. Posts 454 | Profile # |
| I shouldn't be the one getting lynched today. I was framed and It's just going to result in another mislynch for the town. DT checks can't be the only reliable source especially when there is a framer. We should be lynching someone else today. I have been here trying to defend myself as best as I can. I have explained myself all last night and fighting to convince you all that I was framed and not to make another mistake. I'm often mislynched and this is exactly what's going to happen again. |
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| grush57 Korea (South). July 08 2012 01:54. Posts 2512 | Profile # |
| No one claimed getting roleblocked, Katina has been getting pressured a lot, so there IS a good chance he got framed. |
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| Katina United States. July 08 2012 02:15. Posts 454 | Profile # |
I have been getting pressured pretty much this whole game. People are basically sheeping off of what NSH says when I haven't done anything wrong. They are seeing things that aren't there. My play this game has been based strictly off of meta with some fluffly things like my activity is too convinent, I haven't been hard pushing. When in fact I have been pushing and my activity stepped up because I have free time and I said I would. I have been keeping to my word in my posts and giving people what they ask for. I have came to defend myself multiple times while trying to find the Mafia. If I didn't care then I wouldn't be here right now trying to save the town another mislynch. Most people give up and go afk without fighting. I'm still here because I know that I'm not Mafia and I'm doing all I can to make you guys see that.
We should be lynching someone else today, not me. There are scummier people than me such as Mandalor, Maju, casualman. I got framed now the Mafia can sit back and enjoy the show. |
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| Katina United States. July 08 2012 02:20. Posts 454 | Profile # |
| And to save some of you a post such as "casualman is a troll, who cares" I don't care if he's a troll. That's a terrible excuse for him not to be considered for a lynch. Mafia can be anybody, even trolls. He doesn't even have to come in and defend himself because he has you to do it for him. He is written off as a troll, so why bother right? There are going to be a lot of red faces when he flips mafia. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. July 08 2012 02:34. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
| I can lynch casual instead of Katina. Just sayin. I'd also be down with lynching grush. |
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| Mattchew United States. July 08 2012 03:49. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On July 08 2012 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can lynch casual instead of Katina. Just sayin. I'd also be down with lynching grush.
No katina needs to die and you should know this |
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| Mr. Wiggles Canada. July 08 2012 04:56. Posts 4685 | Profile Blog # |
| Remember the deadline has been pushed up two hours. Voting ends in three hours. Please vote before the deadline. |
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| NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 08 2012 05:05. Posts 243 | Profile # |
On July 07 2012 21:41 Kurumi wrote:
WBG, I have my doubts. The biggest doubt I have is that Hyaach's play does not equal DT. I actually was suspicious of this guy, look at his filter, his attacks look the same as grush's or casual's. Chanting "X is scum". The timing isn't quite right in my opinion too, why wait 24 hours to claim your "red" check? Please explain, why would I want to trust this guy? While my vote is on Katina I treat it as a gamble.
Nothing wrong with the timing at all.
He had a green check and that guy was going to get lynched unless he claimed. The only reason this would be beneficial as scum is if they are buddies. However, if they are buddies then lynching a townie puts huge pressure on them, making it unlikely to be a scum claim.
I really don't understand what's so difficult to grasp about that. Perhaps I'm colossally wrong about this whole thing but I just don't see how a scum Hyaach benefits from this claim. I also don't understand why you think it's a scum favored claim.
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| VisceraEyes United States. July 08 2012 05:17. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
| And you still are firmly of the mindset thatcKatinaxis scum then NSH? You're not entertaining the possibility of framer? |
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| NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 08 2012 05:39. Posts 243 | Profile # |
Still think she's scum, yeah. Basically it boils down to her pushes being really really easy and self-contradictory. In addition I have had townreads on at least two of them and then the others are unreadable. (town on BKE and Mandalor, casual unreadable, for example)
Think about this:
Katina labels casual as nothing but a disruptive troll, therefore he should die. However, grush is not much different and BM was not much different before either (she even uses BM as an example of a troll who flips mafia) However, she defended BM and she never attacked grush until I pointed out the hole in her logic. Why this contradiction? (I would warrant that grush's only contribution all game just came in the form of reminding everyone there have been no rb claims)
Then, why is it that she is applying so fervently a relative null-tell (being a troll) as a surefire sign someone is scum? This reminds me of MTG where she kept trying to say nova was scum because he spammed, and he spammed before as scum too. This of course was completely disingenuous because he spammed as town and when I pointed this out she still pursued him as a target. She flipped scum that game.
Finally, from a statistics point of view there are actually less misleading mechanics in this game than others. There could be two framers, but even with two framers it wouldn't be as bad as GM's games, for example. If she really was framed then obviously that's unfortunate but we'd have to reexamine everything in light of that. However, I have my doubts given her incredibly strange initial reaction.
Is Acro still afk?
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| NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 08 2012 05:43. Posts 243 | Profile # |
Like, to put it in perspective:
No one argues so heavily that a green check must be godfather. It's a ludicrous idea and the only time this happens is if the behavior of the target is completely contradictory to the check. Normally you take the check at face value and only question it if the claim is questionable or the checked player is not helping town (and if they live too long, for example). I see no reason to doubt the validity of the check when I personally have had a scumread on Katina for most of the game. |
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| Vivax Italy. July 08 2012 06:35. Posts 3782 | Profile Blog # |
I have huge appetite for the connections from the flip already.I'm refraining from posting them cause I'll get shat on :/
Katina, I'm not removing that vote. How about you give us one big last post we can work with? If you really are town I mean. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. July 08 2012 06:41. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
I didn't like the check on BKE though NSH.
##Unvote
##Vote: Katina
He says he had a town read on BKE. You don't check town reads. |
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| grush57 Korea (South). July 08 2012 06:42. Posts 2512 | Profile # |
Let's give the fish some food
##Vote: Katina |
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| Katina United States. July 08 2012 07:04. Posts 454 | Profile # |
| I don't want anymore food... |
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| NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 08 2012 07:07. Posts 243 | Profile # |
On July 08 2012 06:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't like the check on BKE though NSH.
##Unvote
##Vote: Katina
He says he had a town read on BKE. You don't check town reads.
Checking a failed bandwagon is a pretty good check.
If BKE died d1 and flipped town instead of foxtrotter/mKmKmK then the latter two would have made good checks as well. |
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| Katina United States. July 08 2012 07:19. Posts 454 | Profile # |
NSH you just about always have a scum read on me. Whether or not you push it varies from game to game. My reads aren't the easiest ones. Obviously since no one goes with it, regardless of my constant pushing. I didn't push BM because I didn't have a strong enough read on him to do so. As for grush, I have already explained my reasons for him. I haven't paid much attention to him and a few other people. After looking at him, I found that he isn't nearly as bad as casualman. Grush actually has posts that contain actual content and are sincere. I went after casualman to try and get him to join the party and post so I could get a good read on him. Eviedently my plan failed and now I look bad for it. My intial reaction? I had no idea how to go about a situation like that. Again, I have never been in that kind of situation before. I admit I reacted poorly and I explained myself.
Again NSH, your case is based entirely on my meta from one game. It has obviously clouded your judgement now when I'm town.
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| NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 08 2012 07:38. Posts 243 | Profile # |
I have asked repeatedly for you to point out these contributory posts by grush and you've ignored me.
If you flip town obviously I'll go back and reread and see what went wrong, but this check is too much to pass up on. We can't just ignore it given that we're now so late into the day and given the information we have.
Don't change the facts. You didn't push BM because you "thought" he was town and you said so. Now you're claiming you didn't push BM because you didn't feel strongly about him? What?
For the record, if Hyaach hadn't claimed I would have supported a lynch of Twelve. |
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| ShiaoPi Taiwan. July 08 2012 07:41. Posts 1357 | Profile # |
Just caught up to the thread.
I dislike the way hyaach played and his choice of checks, but I guess we can go along with his target to see if he lied (or if Katina was framed).
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