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| Acrofales Brazil. July 12 2012 17:16. Posts 5294 | Profile # |
Oh, one more thing:
@casualman:
On July 08 2012 11:19 casualman wrote:
also, i reiterate that ve and acro are scum.
i might make a post day 3 if i feel assed to.
Make that damned case already, it's 2 days overdue. |
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| Vivax Italy. July 12 2012 18:33. Posts 3810 | Profile Blog # |
| And what would you do with maju if grush flips town? Automatically assume he is scum? |
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| Acrofales Brazil. July 12 2012 18:44. Posts 5294 | Profile # |
On July 12 2012 18:33 Vivax wrote:
And what would you do with maju if grush flips town? Automatically assume he is scum?
No. What an absurd question. I'll do the same as I'm doing now. Look for who I think is scum and try to get him lynched. If that is Maju, then I will try to get him lynched. Lots may change in 72 hours.
However, let me flip that question: why do you feel Maju and Grush's alignments are linked? What makes you think one of them is scum and the other town, rather than both scum or both town?
Actually, your whole question is giving me a nasty feeling as if you know something I don't. |
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| Vivax Italy. July 12 2012 19:11. Posts 3810 | Profile Blog # |
On July 12 2012 16:54 Acrofales wrote:
We should not be considering Grush and Maju together as if it's a packet lynch. We should decide which of the two is scummier and lynch the crap out of him.
I kinda interpreted this as if you wanted to suggest that they have different alignments, since you ask to pick the 'scummier' one. They're both equally scummy, butI prefer lynching the lurky scum type before the trolling one.
There's probably room for more discussion about this decision, but most of the active townies seem to prefer lynching the trolling guys, which I think is a mistake.
Aside from this misinterpretation, I don't feel their alignments are that much linkable. Grush kinda made fun of majus answer after he was called out, so that's the only thing I saw so far, and it would suggest that grush is town and doesn't know majus alignment OR that he knows it and maju is just a town behaving suspiciously OR that they're both scum just interacting a little.
The problem about grush: How the hell would you read him to decide between these options? Don't even know if he means what he writes. Maju instead has a pretty bad filter, so I don't understand why you would want to defend him now, he unlurked just before when he got into the center of attention, and now he's still being silent since that.
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| Acrofales Brazil. July 12 2012 19:53. Posts 5294 | Profile # |
I wouldn't call my wanting to lynch Grush over Maju a defense of Maju, but rather an attack on Grush.
I have said before why I think Grush is scummier than Maju. I might be tunneling a bit and will try to broaden my vision and look at other people (particularly VE, and I also don't like the look of Mandalor), but between Grush and Maju, I find the association case on Grush strong enough to lynch him. I also think the argument that we should lynch him before we hit lylo quite convincing, because at least there's a chance Maju will come out to play at lylo. Grush is going to continue to spam retarded shit until we lynch him or the game ends (honestly, I can't imagine scum doing us the favour of shooting him even if he's town).
Maju on the other hand is a lurker whose posts make sense. The more he posts, the better I feel the chance of getting a solid read on him is. Points in favour of scum: he's an active lurker, the favourite hiding place of lots of scum (including Maju, looking at his previous games). Points in favour of town: he seems to be trying to scumhunt and make up his own mind about the lynches in some of his posts, rather than just sheeping mindlessly. I feel the former point is stronger than the latter (because the latter can clearly be faked by scum), so yeah, there's a good chance of him flipping scum. However, there are townies that lurk like mad too (Erandorr comes to mind).
For these reasons I feel it's better to leave Maju alive to post more (and hopefully get a conclusive read on him), and lynch Grush. If not Grush, I feel even VE would be a better lynch than Maju. His actions around the whole Katina/Hyaach event are highly suspicious and since then he has basically disappeared. If it was anybody other than VE I would've been pushing his lynch HARD. I'm of half a mind to do so anyway and encourage everybody to read his filter.
Mandalor is also looking pretty terrible: the only reason I moved him off my probable scum list was because I thought that his pushing twelve didn't make sense from a scum perspective. Then twelve flipped town, so we're back to scratch on that.
That makes 4 scumspects and a casualman. Kurumi and Vivax are moved onto my town list by merit of everybody else looking worse, not because either looks particularly good. I want OTHER PEOPLE to join the discussion and talk about today's lynch... and players in general. |
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| Mandalor Germany. July 12 2012 20:38. Posts 2165 | Profile Blog # |
I don't like the grush/casualman options tbh. We can not afford to have another mislynch and I feel like they're coinflippy options at best. I think there should be a rule against their posting if they're town really. They're annoying, don't help and play into mafia's hands even if they're innocent.
Maju's behavior on the other hand is odd and our best option imo.
@Anyone suspecting me to be scum: Please take a look at my actions. It's common for people that are suspected early to look scummy for the rest of the game, but I feel like my actions speak a pretty clear language.
People I suspected or defended:
[color=red]BKE[/color]: It was an early vote. He seemed to be town's best option, but I didn't have a good read on anyone up to that point. I lean towards town now, but I'm absolutely not sure about him.
[color=red]Matt[/color][color=green]chew[/color]: I thought of him as scum early because of his odd reads. The more he posted, the less convinced I was. Towards the end of his life, I was rather sure he was town and I openly said that.
[color=green]drwiggl3s[/color]: I was absolutely sure he was town and I defended him early when town was after him.
[color=red]Katina[/color]: I thought she was rather easy to read. Pretty obviously scum and I said that early.
[color=red]Twelve[/color]: I was wrong with my suspicion of Twelve, but so was every townie. Tbh I wasn't too sure of him before the sudden voteswitch to Foxtrotter, but that reaffirmed my suspicion.
I hope I'm not missing someone.
Please note how the only affirmed eventual town player I voted for was Twelve. Yeah I could be scum actively helping town to not raise suspicion on me, but when you're suspected that early, imo it's the better option as scum to lay low and not try to openly express your thoughts on so many people. |
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| Mandalor Germany. July 12 2012 20:40. Posts 2165 | Profile Blog # |
woops should've used the preview. apparently ubb code doesn't work like that with colours. Here's the post with adjusted code:
I don't like the grush/casualman options tbh. We can not afford to have another mislynch and I feel like they're coinflippy options at best. I think there should be a rule against their posting if they're town really. They're annoying, don't help and play into mafia's hands even if they're innocent.
Maju's behavior on the other hand is odd and our best option imo.
@Anyone suspecting me to be scum: Please take a look at my actions. It's common for people that are suspected early to look scummy for the rest of the game, but I feel like my actions speak a pretty clear language.
People I suspected or defended:
[color=red]BKE[/color]: It was an early vote. He seemed to be town's best option, but I didn't have a good read on anyone up to that point. I lean towards town now, but I'm absolutely not sure about him.
Mattchew: I thought of him as scum early because of his odd reads. The more he posted, the less convinced I was. Towards the end of his life, I was rather sure he was town and I openly said that.
drwiggl3s: I was absolutely sure he was town and I defended him early when town was after him.
Katina: I thought she was rather easy to read. Pretty obviously scum and I said that early.
Twelve: I was wrong with my suspicion of Twelve, but so was every townie. Tbh I wasn't too sure of him before the sudden voteswitch to Foxtrotter, but that reaffirmed my suspicion.
I hope I'm not missing someone.
Please note how the only affirmed eventual town player I voted for was Twelve. Yeah I could be scum actively helping town to not raise suspicion on me, but when you're suspected that early, imo it's the better option as scum to lay low and not try to openly express your thoughts on so many people. |
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| ShiaoPi Taiwan. July 12 2012 23:46. Posts 1357 | Profile # |
For today's lynch I would like to lynch Maju instead of grush. His interactions with Katina looked incredibly scummy I agree but I am more or less willing to say that he might have made mistakes in his reads. Maju on the other hand is actively doing nothing. Flying under the radar and then unlurking the way he did looks really terrible.
##vote: MajuGarzett
@grush:
I am not exonerating you completely here. Who do you want to lynch? What's your opinion on the remaining players?
Other people I am wary of as of now:
Mandalor (that last post was baaad), casualman and VE
Now especially to VE: What are your thoughts right now? As a vet player I would assume that you have quite some knowledge to share. The lack thereof until now is really worrying, besides the fact that you are still alive, but that also accounts for Acro.
@vivax:
Who do you want to lynch today?
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| grush57 Korea (South). July 13 2012 01:38. Posts 2525 | Profile # |
I want to lynch Majuju. all dat lurking and then when called out he is getting all freaky(in the wrong way mmkay)
##Vote: MajuGarzett |
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| VisceraEyes United States. July 13 2012 01:45. Posts 9693 | Profile Blog # |
Between Grush and casualman, I think.
Katina attacked casualman pretty hard when she was hard defending herself, so that seems to indicate town casual...I think between the two I prefer Grush.
##Vote: grush
However I want peoples' opinions. Is it possible Katina was trying to bus casual (arguably a super easy lynch if she didn't have a check on her) in an attempt to obfuscate Hyaach's check (she lynched scum, maybe she's a miller?) and save herself (she was a scum power role?)
Is that feasible even?
Grush comes off as scummier than casual, so that's where my vote is...but if the above scenario seems likely to anyone let me know. |
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| Vivax Italy. July 13 2012 01:57. Posts 3810 | Profile Blog # |
On July 13 2012 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Between Grush and casualman, I think.
Katina attacked casualman pretty hard when she was hard defending herself, so that seems to indicate town casual
Lol VE.
Katina also defended Twelve, but you didn't bother to defend him based on the connection to katina.
Yet you use that connection to defend casual now?
You're not playing consistently. |
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| Vivax Italy. July 13 2012 02:02. Posts 3810 | Profile Blog # |
EBWOP: but you didn't bother to attack him based on that.
Here the quotes:
On July 09 2012 10:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
People should be scrutinizing me now anyway. -.-
I'm onboard with a 12 lynch, but I'm going over everything to see if I agree that he's the BEST lynch for today. We have time.
Kurumi, I'd like your opinion on the fact that Bugs and Matt were killed and not Hyaach, the DT who nailed one of the scums.
Hyaach, you should have another report. Let's hear it.
On July 11 2012 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: Twelve
I literally thought I was the first to do it. :/ Sorry guys.
The vote for twelve following his "case"...2 days later <_<. I guess he realized it too late. |
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| Acrofales Brazil. July 13 2012 02:09. Posts 5294 | Profile # |
That was a rather unsatisfactory post, VE. What do you think of Maju? Any opinions on anybody else in the game, or do you plan on phoning in this lynch?
Also: mind explaining your behaviour surrounding the DT check on Katina. You still haven't commented on it:
On July 09 2012 18:33 Acrofales wrote:VE - I had an early town read on VE based on our fight with BM. However, I slowly cooled on VE when he picked a fight with Bugs (or Bugs with him). Yes, they both backed down, but the whole thing left me feeling wary. His behaviour around the DT check seems to be trying to get Katina to give him a way out of bussing him. A lot of questions for Katina. He could be trying to sort his mind out, or hoping people start agreeing with him. Also note that despite his doubt of the DT, he doesn't actually want to lynch him. Doubting the DT: + Show Spoiler [Hyaach doesn't read like a DT] +
On July 07 2012 14:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hyaach doesn't read at all like a DT with checks until recently.
Like, I don't see Hyaach defending BKE like he has a green check on him. Not even guarded...like, he mentions BKE and comes to his defense once or twice, but not convincingly like he has a town read on him even.
Ugh...and BKE as a check N1, I don't get that at all. Like, he wasn't reading suspicious of BKE at all, so checking him doesn't really make sense. Would anyone guess that he checked BKE if Hyaach had, for instance, been shot N2? Or that he checked Katina N2?
I'm just struggling with the whole thing and need more time. :/
, + Show Spoiler [but lynch casualman!] +
On July 08 2012 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can lynch casual instead of Katina. Just sayin. I'd also be down with lynching grush.
As town, you either think the DT is lying and lynch him, or you believe the DT and lynch his red check (unless you have really good reason to believe his check was framed, but VE does not consider this). As scum, however, you want people to doubt the DT, but not lynch him! The DT would flip green and then his target would be lynched the next day. Instead you want to keep the wifom alive and lynch someone completely unrelated, such as, for instance, casualman.
As for your question: Katina was on casualman's case quite a bit before the red check. It is possible she was distancing from her scumbuddy and turned that into a bus attempt, but I am not confident in that connection. You could see it either way and speculating on what Katina was doing is not going to help us much here, I'm afraid. I feel the connection to Grush is quite a bit more solid. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. July 13 2012 02:17. Posts 9693 | Profile Blog # |
I'm still reading into Maju Acro - I have no intention of "phoning this lynch in".
To be honest, I wasn't sure what to think of Hyaach's claim. First of all, I had a tentative town read on Katina, and his check contradicted my read. Secondly, he didn't seem to be factoring in the possibility of millers/framers which is another point against him (read LI where I faked a DT claim and Bugs called my shit on it). After reading his filter and Katina's responses however, I accepted that he might be DT, which was why I didn't want to lynch him.
I think you're right regarding casual, which is why I voted for grush before even mentioning it. However, I do still want others' opinions on the matter. |
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| Mandalor Germany. July 13 2012 02:31. Posts 2165 | Profile Blog # |
On July 12 2012 23:46 ShiaoPi wrote:
Mandalor (that last post was baaad)
huh? care to tell me why?
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| BroodKingEXE United States. July 13 2012 03:08. Posts 798 | Profile Blog # |
On July 12 2012 23:46 ShiaoPi wrote:
For today's lynch I would like to lynch Maju instead of grush. His interactions with Katina looked incredibly scummy I agree but I am more or less willing to say that he might have made mistakes in his reads. Maju on the other hand is actively doing nothing. Flying under the radar and then unlurking the way he did looks really terrible.
##vote: MajuGarzett
@grush:
I am not exonerating you completely here. Who do you want to lynch? What's your opinion on the remaining players?
Other people I am wary of as of now:
Mandalor (that last post was baaad), casualman and VE
Now especially to VE: What are your thoughts right now? As a vet player I would assume that you have quite some knowledge to share. The lack thereof until now is really worrying, besides the fact that you are still alive, but that also accounts for Acro.
@vivax:
Who do you want to lynch today?
@ShiaoPi Mandalor's post may be bad, but it shows a lack of reading of the thread. What he failed to pay attention to is an important event in the game, so important that a scum wouldn't make a mistake like that. |
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| BroodKingEXE United States. July 13 2012 03:09. Posts 798 | Profile Blog # |
On July 13 2012 02:31 Mandalor wrote:huh? care to tell me why?
Hyaach is a DT so Im in the clear for one. |
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| Mandalor Germany. July 13 2012 03:20. Posts 2165 | Profile Blog # |
| ahh I read that. Just slipped my mind. |
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| ShiaoPi Taiwan. July 13 2012 03:46. Posts 1357 | Profile # |
@Mandalor:
adding to BKE's explanation, this post here:
On July 12 2012 20:40 Mandalor wrote:
woops should've used the preview. apparently ubb code doesn't work like that with colours. Here's the post with adjusted code:
I don't like the grush/casualman options tbh. We can not afford to have another mislynch and I feel like they're coinflippy options at best. I think there should be a rule against their posting if they're town really. They're annoying, don't help and play into mafia's hands even if they're innocent.
Maju's behavior on the other hand is odd and our best option imo.
@Anyone suspecting me to be scum: Please take a look at my actions. It's common for people that are suspected early to look scummy for the rest of the game, but I feel like my actions speak a pretty clear language.
People I suspected or defended:
[color=red]BKE[/color]: It was an early vote. He seemed to be town's best option, but I didn't have a good read on anyone up to that point. I lean towards town now, but I'm absolutely not sure about him.
Mattchew: I thought of him as scum early because of his odd reads. The more he posted, the less convinced I was. Towards the end of his life, I was rather sure he was town and I openly said that.
drwiggl3s: I was absolutely sure he was town and I defended him early when town was after him.
Katina: I thought she was rather easy to read. Pretty obviously scum and I said that early.
Twelve: I was wrong with my suspicion of Twelve, but so was every townie. Tbh I wasn't too sure of him before the sudden voteswitch to Foxtrotter, but that reaffirmed my suspicion.
I hope I'm not missing someone.
Please note how the only affirmed eventual town player I voted for was Twelve. Yeah I could be scum actively helping town to not raise suspicion on me, but when you're suspected that early, imo it's the better option as scum to lay low and not try to openly express your thoughts on so many people.
Is a giant rehash and also you say you prefer maju, where is your vote then? But yeah, Brood has kind of a point here.
@VE:
What is your opinion on Maju? |
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| VisceraEyes United States. July 13 2012 04:30. Posts 9693 | Profile Blog # |
Yeah let's kill Maju. His filter reeks of having more information than me. Details to follow.
##Unvote grush
##Vote Maju |
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