On June 13 2012 06:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Your lions will be refunded if someone else gets to your target first.
Your lions will be refunded if someone else gets to your target first.
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On June 13 2012 06:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Your lions will be refunded if someone else gets to your target first. | ||
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Where go ze lions? | ||
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On June 29 2012 05:14 Drazerk wrote: Not Norway? Forget Norway. | ||
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On June 30 2012 06:36 Acrofales wrote: Nvm. Drinking beer is bad! Nobody should be mayor with this for a platform. | ||
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On June 30 2012 10:07 VisceraEyes wrote: BKE, that sounded like a radio-show call-in. "Yeah, I've got this FRIEND, okay? NOT ME, IT'S A FRIEND! Anyway..." lol For my part, I'm going to be treating new players the same way I'd be treating anyone else - I'm going to tunnel them hard until they shoot me in the face. Obviously it's going to be harder than discerning the intentions of people who "should know better" or whatever, but that's all we can really do. | ||
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I'll admit that I don't find "BKE often looks scummy as town" to be strong reasoning, but for D1 it's enough that I don't want lynch him. I also thought BKE had played in another game or two, but didn't see more in his profile. However, I'd love for him to clarify his first post, given all this discussion. Broodking, you say that you don't consider those with 4 or 5 games newbies. The rest of the players seem to disagree, and I know that I do (no more newbie games allowed =/= not a newbie in my mind). IF you accept a much more broad definition of noob, like the thread seems to want, would you alter your first post? Should people with something like 4-8 games be treated like the noobs in your post, or treated like more seasoned players? I'm alright with adding my vote to mK right now. The whole "role name" thing is actually what I thought Mattchew was referring to earlier when he said a previous poster looked super townie to him, and that was my dumb "don't think you should be trusting that" post. It's in VT pms, it's in the OP, if scum received the VT pm then they had it too, etc. Worried that mK's reaction is a blue who didn't read vs. scum who didn't read (those are the obvious options, so don't get on my junk about possibly revealing blues), but if so, he can defend himself if he ever returns to the thread. The absence in the face of votes doesn't look good to me from that standpoint. NoSmurf, initially I read you as one of the more sensible and townie folks in the thread. However, this caught my eye somewhat: On July 01 2012 10:23 NoSmurfHere wrote: You seem to sincerely believe in such terrible logic, so you're probably town. However I'm not voting BKE just because it's day 1. I don't think anything he's done or said is so far particularly scummy. At no point have I agreed with that terrible case, so why bother acknowledging that the rest of you are idiots for bandwagoning him? On the other hand mafia lurk to shake suspicion ALL the time. mK seemingly has done exactly this, and if he's mafia certainly it's working. So, in this case, obviously I'm far more inclined to believe that the guy who is actively trying to stop a bad lynch is town whereas the scummy lurker is not. If mK is town he has a huge incentive to address the votes on him and make a case on his scumreads rather than disappear immediately after voting. Also speculating about his status is pretty stupid when I voted for him fairly quickly after he posted. On July 01 2012 12:38 NoSmurfHere wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2012 11:47 Adam4167 wrote: On July 01 2012 06:40 EchelonTee wrote: Hey Adam, remember my first game? When sephirothag or whoever crucified himself for no reason? This is the MrZentor variety of it. I do remember that game, one of my favourites. The difference between sephirotharg and casualman is that sephiroth was trying and making errors, casualman is not even trying at all, just acting obnoxiously. Vigs, shoot him tonight. Lets not waste a lynch and a full day cycle worth of discussion on someone who is trolling us. On July 01 2012 10:21 Mandalor wrote: On July 01 2012 06:25 layabout wrote: On July 01 2012 06:10 Mandalor wrote: On July 01 2012 01:46 MajuGarzett wrote: On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote: ##VOTE: BKE I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow. If you're not caught up why did you vote? I had read the first ten pages and it seemed to be the best option. Haven't changed my mind now that I'vve caught up. It's day1 tho, I don't expect a 100% surefire candidate to pop up this early. Could you maybe share some of your decision making process? You know, so that we can see you did more than place your vote on the guy with the most votes. sure. On Day1, I feel like there's only two good options for town. a) kill a lurker b) kill a guy that causes trouble just hours into the game I don't like option a). Playing as mafia is fun. You hang around in a chat channel and make your plans. You're probably more busy with the chat than writing in the thread, but still... you're less likely to lurk. If the mafia is smart, they will have a couple of lurkers, but definitely not the majority so the odds of killing a town lurker is a lot higher on day1. BKE qualifies for option b). Whether or not he's mafia, I personally don't like people in my game that use words like "scummy" judging people's first post in the game. Noone has posted enough in this game that I could possibly have built a good enough opinion on them, but apparently he can do that. I'm not even going to address his newbie-theory. I'm not saying I'm sure about BKE whatsoever, but he's our best option in my book. This post stinks. You seem to be ignoring the obvious third choice for town on day 1: we lynch someone acting scummy. You're recommending we lynch BKE on the basis that you don't like people casting early judgments. This is encouraging a passive game, are you afraid of a little bit of heat? You seem to want to punish BKE for playing badly rather than lynch him for being scum, a scum's bread-and-butter move. In addition, your vote just looks like a blatant bandwagon on the guy currently leading the vote count, you only justified it afterwards when MajuGarzett questioned you about it 5 hours later. I think you are scum. ##Vote: Mandalor this is a good case and these are all things I picked up on myself when I read mandalor's posts. I am completely fine with Mandalor and mKmKmK being lynched today. Anyone else will take some serious convincing. For now I'm going to keep my vote on mK, but in the interest of consolidation and actually lynching someone I have a scumread on, if that lynch doesn't fly I'll push Mandalor with you. Care to explain your train of thought? Over the course of 2 hours, you went from "probably town" to "completely fine with Mandalor lynch/scumread on Mandalor." Would like for you to articulate why you changed your read there. | ||
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On July 01 2012 22:44 austinmcc wrote: However, I'd love for him to clarify his first post, given all this discussion. Broodking, you say that you don't consider those with 4 or 5 games newbies. The rest of the players seem to disagree, and I know that I do (no more newbie games allowed =/= not a newbie in my mind). IF you accept a much more broad definition of noob, like the thread seems to want, would you alter your first post? Should people with something like 4-8 games be treated like the noobs in your post, or treated like more seasoned players? NoSmurfHere, I would still like for you to explain your train of thought on Mandalor. May as well update your read on him as well. NoSmurf, initially I read you as one of the more sensible and townie folks in the thread. However, this caught my eye somewhat: Show nested quote + On July 01 2012 10:23 NoSmurfHere wrote: You seem to sincerely believe in such terrible logic, so you're probably town. However I'm not voting BKE just because it's day 1. I don't think anything he's done or said is so far particularly scummy. At no point have I agreed with that terrible case, so why bother acknowledging that the rest of you are idiots for bandwagoning him? On the other hand mafia lurk to shake suspicion ALL the time. mK seemingly has done exactly this, and if he's mafia certainly it's working. So, in this case, obviously I'm far more inclined to believe that the guy who is actively trying to stop a bad lynch is town whereas the scummy lurker is not. If mK is town he has a huge incentive to address the votes on him and make a case on his scumreads rather than disappear immediately after voting. Also speculating about his status is pretty stupid when I voted for him fairly quickly after he posted. Show nested quote + On July 01 2012 12:38 NoSmurfHere wrote: On July 01 2012 11:47 Adam4167 wrote: On July 01 2012 06:40 EchelonTee wrote: Hey Adam, remember my first game? When sephirothag or whoever crucified himself for no reason? This is the MrZentor variety of it. I do remember that game, one of my favourites. The difference between sephirotharg and casualman is that sephiroth was trying and making errors, casualman is not even trying at all, just acting obnoxiously. Vigs, shoot him tonight. Lets not waste a lynch and a full day cycle worth of discussion on someone who is trolling us. On July 01 2012 10:21 Mandalor wrote: On July 01 2012 06:25 layabout wrote: On July 01 2012 06:10 Mandalor wrote: On July 01 2012 01:46 MajuGarzett wrote: On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote: ##VOTE: BKE I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow. If you're not caught up why did you vote? I had read the first ten pages and it seemed to be the best option. Haven't changed my mind now that I'vve caught up. It's day1 tho, I don't expect a 100% surefire candidate to pop up this early. Could you maybe share some of your decision making process? You know, so that we can see you did more than place your vote on the guy with the most votes. sure. On Day1, I feel like there's only two good options for town. a) kill a lurker b) kill a guy that causes trouble just hours into the game I don't like option a). Playing as mafia is fun. You hang around in a chat channel and make your plans. You're probably more busy with the chat than writing in the thread, but still... you're less likely to lurk. If the mafia is smart, they will have a couple of lurkers, but definitely not the majority so the odds of killing a town lurker is a lot higher on day1. BKE qualifies for option b). Whether or not he's mafia, I personally don't like people in my game that use words like "scummy" judging people's first post in the game. Noone has posted enough in this game that I could possibly have built a good enough opinion on them, but apparently he can do that. I'm not even going to address his newbie-theory. I'm not saying I'm sure about BKE whatsoever, but he's our best option in my book. This post stinks. You seem to be ignoring the obvious third choice for town on day 1: we lynch someone acting scummy. You're recommending we lynch BKE on the basis that you don't like people casting early judgments. This is encouraging a passive game, are you afraid of a little bit of heat? You seem to want to punish BKE for playing badly rather than lynch him for being scum, a scum's bread-and-butter move. In addition, your vote just looks like a blatant bandwagon on the guy currently leading the vote count, you only justified it afterwards when MajuGarzett questioned you about it 5 hours later. I think you are scum. ##Vote: Mandalor this is a good case and these are all things I picked up on myself when I read mandalor's posts. I am completely fine with Mandalor and mKmKmK being lynched today. Anyone else will take some serious convincing. For now I'm going to keep my vote on mK, but in the interest of consolidation and actually lynching someone I have a scumread on, if that lynch doesn't fly I'll push Mandalor with you. Care to explain your train of thought? Over the course of 2 hours, you went from "probably town" to "completely fine with Mandalor lynch/scumread on Mandalor." Would like for you to articulate why you changed your read there. | ||
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The Good Doctor's filter is the following: (1) On June 30 2012 12:14 drwiggl3s wrote: As has been mentioned, the OP had the "role name" bit, and we can assume if scum got a VT fakeclaim it had the same text. Role name wasn't indicative of mK's alignment, not indicative of the Good Doctor's alignment either.Hi all. First game + first post playing mafia so bare with me. Show nested quote + On June 30 2012 11:28 NoSmurfHere wrote: I'm not kidding, my role PM is like "you're a Role Name.". Let's kill this guy: On June 30 2012 10:12 mKmKmK wrote: On June 30 2012 10:06 NoSmurfHere wrote: I am a Role Name. how quaint. vague post is vague... ##vote mKmKmK My role PM also said I'm a "Role Name". So NoSmurfHere is definitely town in my books. (2) On June 30 2012 18:06 drwiggl3s wrote: ##Vote BroodKingEXE The ol' ninja vote BKE. (3) Nine hours later On July 01 2012 05:13 drwiggl3s wrote: Ok since some people asked, here's what I'm thinking. I agree that BKEXE's initial posts were a tad scummy. But what gave it away to me was that after casualman voted for him, both Mattchew and BKEXE immediately returned the favour and voted for casualman to be lynched. Both without any explanation other than saying "Wtf is this". And then later, both went MIA for quite a while instead of explaining their votes or trying to defend BKEXE. You may ask why would casualman throw his vote at BKEXE so early. It could be he is either just noob, or it could be he read BKEXE as scum (like many people are now) but just before a lot of people had the chance to. As for other players: I find many people are soft defending BKEXE and in their posts trying to put suspicion onto others (with little reason). I see these as scummy moves. Stop and read that third post. Please. The only post of any substance. The Good Doctor thought BKE looked scummy, but didn't mention that and didn't vote for BKE. However, after CASUALMAN of all people voted for BKE, BKE and Mattchew voted for casualman with little explanation. This makes BKE scum in drwiggl3s head. Here is how casualman voted, by the way: On June 30 2012 14:23 casualman wrote: Either casualman is trolling and trolling hard, or casualman just dropped a vote that legitimately should make every go "Wtf is this?" That's a legitimate response to casualman's comment and vote. BKE's wtf is this vote for casualman is the tipping point that makes drwiggl3s read BKE as scummy and vote him, which is a terrible reason given casualman's post and vote.I love to bandwagon. Being a newb, I can read nothing from these posts and will blindly trust in authority figures. Woohoo! ##Vote BroodKingEXE I don't necessarily read casualman as scummy yet, but drwiggl3s also drops a little explanation for why casualman dropped his stupid post. You may ask why would casualman throw his vote at BKEXE so early. It could be he is either just noob, or it could be he read BKEXE as scum (like many people are now) but just before a lot of people had the chance to. Finally, I have to point this out. Because I think drwiggl3s is lying. On June 30 2012 12:14 drwiggl3s wrote: Hi all. First game + first post playing mafia so bare with me. On July 01 2012 05:13 drwiggl3s wrote: I don't know about you guys, but I did a lot of lurking here before playing. drwiggl3s makes sure to tell us it's his first game, but then his only post of substance is describing why BKE looks a little scummier because people are SOFT DEFENDING BKE. That's not a "This is my first day cycle playing mafia" thought in my mind. That's not my thought process in the first thing I ever post. Either casualman is lying about not being a smurf, or casualman got fed that reasoning by scumbuddies. I actually lean towards the former, because casualman created his account 5/1/2012. Fresh account + "Oh I'm a newb, bear with me" + comments about soft defense = lying about being new in my mind.As for other players: I find many people are soft defending BKEXE and in their posts trying to put suspicion onto others (with little reason). I see these as scummy moves. tl;dr
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Right now we're 7/7/7 on mK, BKE, FT. mK first to 7 I believe. I do not want to lynch BKE, and I don't like how even the votes on those 3 are. Also marv, that "resistance" doesn't mean much to me. 2/3 of the people you named are now voting FT, when they could have held votes on mK and gotten him lynched without looking bad for it. Your resistors are 2/7 of the vote on FT, and right now basically make him a possible lynch when he didn't have to be. | ||
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Nobody's commented on drwiggl3s but you, however I don't think they're resisting his lynch. I'm on there with a countercase, but if you look at the timestamps I was writing up wiggl3s while you mentioned FT. I agree that FT doesn't look good, but you're making too much of any resistance to his lynch. | ||
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We arrived at a lynch the moment the first vote was cast. I'm not saying there was NO resistance VE. There wasn't enough resistance to think "Ah, this is FT's scumbuddies trying to keep him from getting lynched." Rather than make a big post, here's ET, who "resisted" the FT lynch: On July 02 2012 06:26 EchelonTee wrote: Foxtrot and kthez look bad. That's from hours ago. In fact, that's from before marv was in the game. If you check his posts, there's NO resistance from ET to the FT lynch. Just be careful with how much resistance you think there was. | ||
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On July 02 2012 07:46 austinmcc wrote: My vote is currently on mK. However, for anyone uncomfortable with their current lynch candidate, I'd suggest taking a look at drwiggl3s. Seriously. The Good Doctor's filter is the following: (1) Show nested quote + As has been mentioned, the OP had the "role name" bit, and we can assume if scum got a VT fakeclaim it had the same text. Role name wasn't indicative of mK's alignment, not indicative of the Good Doctor's alignment either.On June 30 2012 12:14 drwiggl3s wrote: Hi all. First game + first post playing mafia so bare with me. On June 30 2012 11:28 NoSmurfHere wrote: I'm not kidding, my role PM is like "you're a Role Name.". Let's kill this guy: On June 30 2012 10:12 mKmKmK wrote: On June 30 2012 10:06 NoSmurfHere wrote: I am a Role Name. how quaint. vague post is vague... ##vote mKmKmK My role PM also said I'm a "Role Name". So NoSmurfHere is definitely town in my books. (2) The ol' ninja vote BKE. (3) Nine hours later Show nested quote + On July 01 2012 05:13 drwiggl3s wrote: Ok since some people asked, here's what I'm thinking. I agree that BKEXE's initial posts were a tad scummy. But what gave it away to me was that after casualman voted for him, both Mattchew and BKEXE immediately returned the favour and voted for casualman to be lynched. Both without any explanation other than saying "Wtf is this". And then later, both went MIA for quite a while instead of explaining their votes or trying to defend BKEXE. You may ask why would casualman throw his vote at BKEXE so early. It could be he is either just noob, or it could be he read BKEXE as scum (like many people are now) but just before a lot of people had the chance to. As for other players: I find many people are soft defending BKEXE and in their posts trying to put suspicion onto others (with little reason). I see these as scummy moves. Stop and read that third post. Please. The only post of any substance. The Good Doctor thought BKE looked scummy, but didn't mention that and didn't vote for BKE. However, after CASUALMAN of all people voted for BKE, BKE and Mattchew voted for casualman with little explanation. This makes BKE scum in drwiggl3s head. Here is how casualman voted, by the way: Show nested quote + Either casualman is trolling and trolling hard, or casualman just dropped a vote that legitimately should make every go "Wtf is this?" That's a legitimate response to casualman's comment and vote. BKE's wtf is this vote for casualman is the tipping point that makes drwiggl3s read BKE as scummy and vote him, which is a terrible reason given casualman's post and vote.On June 30 2012 14:23 casualman wrote: I love to bandwagon. Being a newb, I can read nothing from these posts and will blindly trust in authority figures. Woohoo! ##Vote BroodKingEXE I don't necessarily read casualman as scummy yet, but drwiggl3s also drops a little explanation for why casualman dropped his stupid post. Show nested quote + What is this? Seriously. What is this? Everyone reads casulman's post as trolling or stupidity, and here is drwiggl3s trying to defend another player's nonsense post without prompting. WHY is he doing this? Moreover, how in the world do you get "He might be new or he might have read BKE scummy before others did" out of casualman's post?You may ask why would casualman throw his vote at BKEXE so early. It could be he is either just noob, or it could be he read BKEXE as scum (like many people are now) but just before a lot of people had the chance to. Finally, I have to point this out. Because I think drwiggl3s is lying. Show nested quote + On June 30 2012 12:14 drwiggl3s wrote: Hi all. First game + first post playing mafia so bare with me. Show nested quote + I don't know about you guys, but I did a lot of lurking here before playing. drwiggl3s makes sure to tell us it's his first game, but then his only post of substance is describing why BKE looks a little scummier because people are SOFT DEFENDING BKE. That's not a "This is my first day cycle playing mafia" thought in my mind. That's not my thought process in the first thing I ever post. Either casualman is lying about not being a smurf, or casualman got fed that reasoning by scumbuddies. I actually lean towards the former, because casualman created his account 5/1/2012. Fresh account + "Oh I'm a newb, bear with me" + comments about soft defense = lying about being new in my mind. On July 01 2012 05:13 drwiggl3s wrote: As for other players: I find many people are soft defending BKEXE and in their posts trying to put suspicion onto others (with little reason). I see these as scummy moves. ***NEW ADDED POINT*** - anyone who thinks that drwiggl3s is ACTUALLY new is going to have to be convinced that him saying he's new outweighs the soft defense reference as well as the fact that he just happened to name himself drwiggl3s and joined mrwiggles' game. Does the naming thing not make others think smurf over new player? tl;dr
I am currently voting mK. I am alright with my vote on mK. But the one player I'd absolutely be willing to swap to, or to try and get others to swap to, is drwiggl3s Shiaopi and solstice, how do you guys read drwiggl3s. Both D1 and overall, if you can separate those two things. Also, for marv, I'd like for you to take another look at his D1. Now that you are no longer pushing foxtrot, do you still read wiggl3s the same way? | ||
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On July 02 2012 22:26 marvellosity wrote: austin, I don't particularly want to bash another player. He seems to have spectacular fails in logical and correct thinking. Other than your "I don't think he's new point" can you particularly tell me why this is bad scummy as opposed to just bad townie? + Show Spoiler + On July 02 2012 20:24 marvellosity wrote: The story of the puppy Vivax There was once a cute little puppy called Vivax. And he lived with his kind and benevolent owner, Mr. marvellosity. One fine summer's day, marvellosity had invited over some friends over for a light lunch with champagne and strawberries. But the cute little puppy Vivax was barking and running around annoying all the guests. "What is wrong with him?" ShiaoPi asked, concerned. "He wants another biscuit," answered marvellosity. "But if I were to give him another, he would get indigestion. I try to explain to the poor pup, but alas he does not understand as he is only a puppy." "That is a shame," nodded Acrofales, knowingly. Vivax the puppy was getting more and more wound up as he barked at people and no-one would listen. Why could he not have another biscuit? What kind of unnatural cruelty was denying him one of the great pleasures of puppy life? It seems he had forgotten that he had already had a biscuit, the poor pup. Eventually the little pup lost the plot, and with his little tail and ears flying, charged at his loving owner, marvellosity, barking and yelping, paws racing. marvellosity merely smiled, and put his finger against poor pup Vivax's forehead, watching him running on the spot to no avail. Eventually marvellosity picked poor pup Vivax up by the scruff of his neck, and put him in his cage. Hopefully the pup would be calmer after he slept a little. The End Before I answer your question, I want to make sure. You still read drwiggl3s as bad townie? You think he is a new player and has poor logic? | ||
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