| Arisen United States. June 13 2012 18:12. Posts 1935 | Profile Blog # |
I'm starting this thread to inquire about how to lane 1v2. I'm still doing unranked matches to get to 30 so I can start ranked play, and often someone will jungle on my team, and not on the opposing team. I usually volunteer so no one feeds top, but Most of the time, I end up sitting under a turret for 15 mins barley getting any CS.
Sometimes I even get really troll top lanes like darius/singed running exhaust and ignite so you can't really get any CS at all. I think in theory the jungler should gank your lane a lot of they're going to be really pushed, but I find a lot of the times a gank in a 1v2 lane doesn't even force summoner spells.
Typically when I go top I play riven or cho. I find it's a little easier with cho because you can just w to get a little harass/CS, but it's still pretty bad, and the enemy team gets a good bit of chip off your tower.
Is there anything to do about 1v2 lanes? Are there certain heroes who do well in these scenarios, or are you just forced to sit under a tower for half the game? |
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| Yung United States. June 13 2012 18:15. Posts 714 | Profile Blog # |
| It al depends on your skill level i can trynd 1v2 in normals easy against almost any combo, but i can 1v2 in normals with almost any champ i play. i just wair for then to do stupid moves then i kill them |
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| Shikyo Finland. June 13 2012 18:19. Posts 20115 | Profile Blog # |
| Darius pretty good. Q hits both, if they harrass you at tower you can E them in, and you can ulti one after another etc |
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| Broetchenholer Germany. June 13 2012 18:32. Posts 352 | Profile # |
| Well, take a champ with good poke and good sustain, yorick for example. You have to farm under tower until about lvl 6. After that, you might be able to kill when they dive you. And usually they do. However, it's really unlikely that you can dominate that lane. No matter how good you are or what champ you pick, if they are not way worse than you, you will loose tower pretty soon. |
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| Shiv. June 13 2012 18:32. Posts 1902 | Profile # |
Know your champion, wait for that soft spot you need to hit to take over, do it. For Cho, who I don't know as well, I'm guessing it would be level 6 where your ultimate deals 300 true damage and they should be underleveled. As Riven, you might begin harassing them at level 5 and go for the kill at level 6.
Personally, I'd go Lee in those sort of lanes, just because I feel he can farm up safely enough up to level 6 and then WTFRAPE those kids trying to troll you. |
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| Amui Canada. June 13 2012 19:42. Posts 3110 | Profile Blog # |
For picking(assuming blinds) into a 1v2 lane, champs that are good at 1v2 are GP(Max dem oranges), Yorick, Cho and possibly a few others I'm missing. Big factor is that they NEED to have good sustain along with the ability to cs somewhat from range. Usually you pick up a GP10 or two to make up for the fact that you (should) get zoned off CS incredibly hard
Goal in 1v2 lane really is just to not die, and not to fall behind in levels. Your jungler should be able to get ~3 buff camps every rotation and should be farming both jungles. A really farmed jungler along with a top lane that didn't feed with minimal CS. will usually be better than 2 people who are competing for CS, and are very underleveled.Last edit: 2012-06-13 19:43:53 |
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| EchelonTee United States. June 13 2012 19:55. Posts 3403 | Profile # |
Cho is a great hero, just sustain, and use stomp if they try to dive you.
Olaf is alright; can LH with undertow and after 6 you're ungankable pretty much. Can also outplay them and kill them.
Yorick = da sustain.
Garen, with spin you can damage them both with very high damage potential, esp. lvl 6. Also has sustain passive.
Irelia maybe? Can LH with ulti, has some sustain.
In terms of playstyle, you just need to sneak in as much CS as possible. Jungle shouldn't be too concerned with ganking top, because if he comes it'll just be a 2v2. Jungle ganks are great because it often forces a 1v2 or 2v3. Your jungler should just rape mid or bot while clearing a lot, while you focus on not dying. Remember, if you get even half of the CS you'd get normally, you would be about even compared to the enemy splitting farm.
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| Morfildur Germany. June 13 2012 20:12. Posts 3482 | Profile Blog # |
I'm not a top player but from my personal experience it's best to hug the tower and build gp5 items like Philosophers Stone & Heart of Gold which you can later turn into shurelyas and randuins to still help the team.
I also find it best to let the jungler gank the other lanes. If he ganks your lane it's 2v2, which is kinda bad since you will be behind on CS anyways while ganks on the other lanes will be 2v1 or 3v2, which is far more advantageous. The opponent will win your lane sooner or later so it's best if the jungler can guarantee a win on both other lanes.
Just make sure they can't kill your tower and die as little as possible while staying in EP range to at least keep up in levels compared to the other lanes.
As for champions, i find Olaf can do quite well if you max Q first since he can easily get CS from a distance with the mana regen from philosophers and it's slow also helps play safe while the AoE allows you to clear creep waves near the tower easily so the opponents can't dive you without risk.
Mostly tanky champions with ranged AoE should be fine in that situation. You should never get into melee range against the opponents, especially if one of them has any form of CC or in case of singed/volibear a throw, even if you have a melee ranged AoE skill. They usually won't stay close together anyways, so you will only hit one while taking damage from both.
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| ihasaKAROT Netherlands. June 13 2012 20:17. Posts 3346 | Profile Blog # |
| Kennen works aswell to a certain extent. So does jarvan, its more difficult early but way more rewarding lateron |
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| h3r1n6 Iceland. June 13 2012 20:31. Posts 1553 | Profile Blog # |
| From running double jungle, yorick and cho can happily take a 1v2 lane. Your first goal is getting experience. Don't go in for last hits early on when you will eat a lot of harass. You need to just get levels the first few minutes until you outlevel them. Having a good feeling for the experience range is important for doing so. Try to get all the experience and you will outlevel them and then you can farm and trade with them (depending on champs of course). |
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 bokeevboke Singapore. June 13 2012 20:32. Posts 1552 | Profile Blog # |
| I find solotop 1v2 fairly easy as long as you have a decent escapabale champ. What really happens, is if your team has a potent jungler, the other two lanes gonna be destroyed pretty quickly. Your main objective is not farming but gaining exp and holding the tower alive. Around 10 min or so their mid or bot tower gonna be destroyed. Then its not gonna be 1v2 anymore since one of them will go roaming, and then you can farm really fast coz you're ahead in levels. Just be patient. |
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| Lysteria France. June 13 2012 20:36. Posts 946 | Profile Blog # |
Galio is an enormous pick 1v2, I sometimes pick him bot to play with 2 junglers/roamers.
Really strong against at least 1 ap top, he's still decent if two ad. Once you have your mana items (chalice, philosopher stone), you dont have to be touched once anymore, and it's so easy to nuke those minions from far away. |
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| PH United States. June 13 2012 21:05. Posts 6076 | Profile Blog # |
Riven's high attack damage (especially with her passive) makes it easier than with most other heroes to CS under tower.
All in all, you should be fine regardless. They'll have two heroes splitting XP and CS. Even if you can't hit every creep, you should still be better off than either one of them by the end of the laning phase, which is enough. |
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 Erasme France. June 13 2012 21:09. Posts 4060 | Profile Blog # |
With Riven you can make a double kill when you hit 7 even if they're full hp with a gank.
The thing is don't take useless hit because you wanted to last hit. Most of players can't control the lane, so you'll be able to farm at tower easily and trade avantagely at tower too. |
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| Plague1503 Croatia. June 13 2012 21:11. Posts 432 | Profile # |
Is Renek viable 1v2 as well or is he just too squishy if you build him for dmg? (standard Brutalizer build)
He has good sustain and a (potentially double dash) escape. |
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| Morfildur Germany. June 13 2012 21:16. Posts 3482 | Profile Blog # |
On June 13 2012 21:11 Plague1503 wrote:
Is Renek viable 1v2 as well or is he just too squishy if you build him for dmg? (standard Brutalizer build)
He has good sustain and a (potentially double dash) escape.
His lack of ranged CS abilities will definitely hurt him in 1v2 but you should be able to at least survive due to the ability to AoE clear minions at the tower and the E to survive dives. You just can't risk farming away from the tower since all trades will turn out bad for you, even with your sustain from Q.
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| ticklishmusic United States. June 14 2012 02:16. Posts 3190 | Profile Blog # |
I'm pretty terribad, but I think Xerath might be pretty decent. His Q is a really nice AOE poke, and his E keeps (smart) opponents from diving you too hard. His passive helps against AD champs too. Still, most people don't like tower hugging as much as I do...  Last edit: 2012-06-14 02:17:08 |
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| JuneCloud United States. June 14 2012 02:32. Posts 27 | Profile # |
| It doesn't matter what champion you play at all. If your an ad then start cloth+5pots. Build the cloth into madreds razor so you can last hit under the turret. Then get boots and turn the razor into wriggles lantern. Don't be afraid to call your jungler in when you need him. Constantly buy potions until lvl 8. Your team should win outright at this point because your income + your junglers income will far out weigh the duo lane. |
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| Belgo United States. June 14 2012 02:53. Posts 692 | Profile # |
| I've had good luck when I was leveling a smurf with a solo gragas 1v2. He has innate sustain with drink and can still cs pretty well, and even get kills with a ult into a tower. |
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| Shiv. June 14 2012 02:56. Posts 1902 | Profile # |
On June 14 2012 02:32 JuneCloud wrote:
It doesn't matter what champion you play at all. If your an ad then start cloth+5pots. Build the cloth into madreds razor so you can last hit under the turret. Then get boots and turn the razor into wriggles lantern. Don't be afraid to call your jungler in when you need him. Constantly buy potions until lvl 8. Your team should win outright at this point because your income + your junglers income will far out weigh the duo lane.
This isn't good advice. You can last hit perfectly fine without Razor, hoping to last hit with the proc is more a gamble than anything. What is he supposed to do with Wriggle's if he's laning against 2 AP champions? What sort of arbitrary number is lvl 8? |
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