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| Chaggi Korea (South). June 13 2012 19:29. Posts 1084 | Profile # |
Hello
I've been using a 2011 Macbook Pro and within the last month or two, I've had some pretty bad FPS trouble on my Boot Camp version of Windows 7 Ultimate.
I'm running a 2.2 Ghz i7 Quad Core 4 Gigs of RAM 150 gigs partition for Windows 7 (I think I have 30 gigs free) and a Radeon 6750M, 1 gig card (Catalyst 12.3, I've had trouble with 12.4)
With this set up, I've also connected it to an external monitor (24") displaying something like 1920x1200.
I have ALL my settings set on LOW, actually the LOWEST it can go.
During the game, my FPS will start off (vsync unchecked), at around 170~. Within 2-3 minutes, my FPS will start dropping to 120~, and by the 10 minute mark, it gets down to around 30-40. If I go over 120-150 supply, I'm looking at 15-20. And if I hit 200/200, I'm down at 10. When battles happen at that point, it's usually 2-3 fps. This happens in OS X as well.
Before this happened, I'm not 100% sure what my FPS was, but it never lagged me.
Now I've done some testing today, I cleaned off all my fans, and the heat sink. I logged into Windows and it's still running hot. In fact, GPU and CPU are at 60 degrees C when it's idle with only monitoring programs open. But, when I'm in the game, it only goes up to around 64-66 degrees C (both GPU and CPU). Also defragged my system last night.
HOWEVER, when I went into my task manager and stopped explorer.exe, the game ran much better. I'm not too sure why that happened =/
I don't really use my Windows partition for anything other than Starcraft, so I doubt it's something I installed. This problem used to only exclusively be for the North American version of SC2, but now has slowly crept into my Korean version. I've also been having trouble with my D3 (similar just awful lag even on lowest settings) and I honestly don't know why.
I'd like to avoid reformatting if possible as I don't know where my Windows 7 cd is anymore but any other solution is welcome! (if at all possible!) |
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| Chaggi Korea (South). July 12 2012 17:48. Posts 1084 | Profile # |
Update: It's getting even slower, and stopping explorer.exe doesn't even help much anymore. I start off at 60-63~ fps now, and it'll go down to 3-5 fps within 10 in game minutes.
I've also updated to the latest Catalyst version, 12.6
Power setting is set on full power, and I haven't touched anything in CCC. |
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| Chaggi Korea (South). July 19 2012 18:32. Posts 1084 | Profile # |
Update again:
Weirdly enough, after a reformat, it stayed the same. Completely and exactly the same.
Then suddenly one day, after running a 3D Marks just to see if my video card or anything was acting weirdly, (it wasn't), the FPS jumped back up again. For no reason. Literally didn't change a thing.
Worked great (200+~ fps for 3-4 days) and now it's back down to 1-2 in big engagements. I can't even do stutter step micro. Help? |
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| Tanukki Finland. July 20 2012 03:02. Posts 502 | Profile # |
| Well I don't know what it is, but it's interesting so keep with the updates. I'd especially like to know if your FPS similarly grinds to a halt in any other hardware-demanding games. And within SC2, how about the single player campaign or some silly custom maps like tower defense? Last edit: 2012-07-20 03:03:50 |
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| D_K_night Canada. July 20 2012 03:30. Posts 603 | Profile # |
At this point we're pretty certain that it's not a software issue. Your Boot Camp'ed Windows 7 is clean as a whistle, and we definitely don't want to run SC2 off of your native MacOS partition.
Here's a tip which will probably pay the biggest dividends. Don't display the game at such a high resolution. I understand your LCD's native res is at 1920 X 1080(or 1200 as you stated). But for the sake of experimentation, try displaying the game at a lower resolution, for example 1600 x 1200 if that's possible.
Also try backing down to 1280 x 1024 and check over the results.
I do strongly suspect that you have a drastic cooling issue. This precisely explains the frame rate drop after a short period of time. And because it's a laptop, there's no easy answer or fix. I assume that you use the laptop on top of a desk, which is standard stuff. If there was some kind of cool pad or something you could place underneath the laptop just to see if that would help the issue, I would try that as well. |
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| Jaso United States. July 20 2012 03:33. Posts 1505 | Profile Blog # |
Sounds like it could be a heat issue... though that doesn't explain the explorer.exe thing or the 3D Marks thing. Are the fans spinning up loudly?
Try using Lubbo's Fan Control to force your fans to go to higher RPMs. |
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| LJ July 20 2012 04:07. Posts 203 | Profile # |
| software issue i would guess. Is the CPU throttling down Last edit: 2012-07-20 04:08:47 |
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| lightrise United States. July 20 2012 04:41. Posts 1285 | Profile # |
On July 20 2012 03:30 D_K_night wrote: At this point we're pretty certain that it's not a software issue. Your Boot Camp'ed Windows 7 is clean as a whistle, and we definitely don't want to run SC2 off of your native MacOS partition.
Here's a tip which will probably pay the biggest dividends. Don't display the game at such a high resolution. I understand your LCD's native res is at 1920 X 1080(or 1200 as you stated). But for the sake of experimentation, try displaying the game at a lower resolution, for example 1600 x 1200 if that's possible.
Also try backing down to 1280 x 1024 and check over the results.
I do strongly suspect that you have a drastic cooling issue. This precisely explains the frame rate drop after a short period of time. And because it's a laptop, there's no easy answer or fix. I assume that you use the laptop on top of a desk, which is standard stuff. If there was some kind of cool pad or something you could place underneath the laptop just to see if that would help the issue, I would try that as well.
This was my exact first inclination. I would run the game at a much lower setting. The macbook pros run really freaking hot. Change the resolutions first and then as he suggested get one of the cooling trays.
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| Chaggi Korea (South). July 20 2012 20:43. Posts 1084 | Profile # |
On July 20 2012 03:30 D_K_night wrote: At this point we're pretty certain that it's not a software issue. Your Boot Camp'ed Windows 7 is clean as a whistle, and we definitely don't want to run SC2 off of your native MacOS partition.
Here's a tip which will probably pay the biggest dividends. Don't display the game at such a high resolution. I understand your LCD's native res is at 1920 X 1080(or 1200 as you stated). But for the sake of experimentation, try displaying the game at a lower resolution, for example 1600 x 1200 if that's possible.
Also try backing down to 1280 x 1024 and check over the results.
I do strongly suspect that you have a drastic cooling issue. This precisely explains the frame rate drop after a short period of time. And because it's a laptop, there's no easy answer or fix. I assume that you use the laptop on top of a desk, which is standard stuff. If there was some kind of cool pad or something you could place underneath the laptop just to see if that would help the issue, I would try that as well.
I've actually tried it at lower resolutions, even as far down as 1280x1024, and I think I went down to the farthest possible - and it actually made NO difference at all.
Sounds like it could be a heat issue... though that doesn't explain the explorer.exe thing or the 3D Marks thing. Are the fans spinning up loudly?
Try using Lubbo's Fan Control to force your fans to go to higher RPMs.
I've thought about heating issue as well, and I've checked my temps pretty much always and they are all relatively good. I can't really put it under a cooling pad either cause the MBP has stupid heat problems and it vents from the back of the monitor (basically where the hinge and computer meet). I've opened the MBP and cleaned it out too so it can't be dust or anything like that.
The one thing I thought it might be - is that maybe there's something wrong with CPU Throttling. However, I'm not sure how to check. I've changed a lot of settings in registry to make it so that I use all of my cores, and it's never gone over like 60% on any single core during game play. This also might be supported by when I run my 3DMark 11, every score is running at much higher than what's expected for my specs EXCEPT my Physics score. (It ended up as half of what it says it should be, however the COMBINED score is on par for my machine - if not a big higher).
I'll keep up with the updates cause I really don't know what else to do lol - Blizzard actually ignores and closes my topic and no other community understands the need to play SC2!!!
Well I don't know what it is, but it's interesting so keep with the updates. I'd especially like to know if your FPS similarly grinds to a halt in any other hardware-demanding games. And within SC2, how about the single player campaign or some silly custom maps like tower defense?
It doesn't really do that for other hardware-demanding games, but to be honest, I haven't tried anything past Civ 5, and Civ 5 grinds to a halt on a lot of machines. Things like Skyrim though, I can play on pretty good quality, and not have it lag at all. I know that within SC2, Single Player campaign stuff grinds, and so does custom maps. Things like 4v4 Monobattles, I just start out at 5 FPS and just drop.
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| Chaggi Korea (South). July 20 2012 21:11. Posts 1084 | Profile # |
Quick update:
Blue screened randomly, not sure why - started SC2 and it went back to 200+ FPS at the start HOWEVER, instead of leveling out at around 60 like it usually does when it starts at 200 FPS, it just went to 15-20 when I was at 200/200 fighting a 200/200 Protoss army. This is probably the most annoyed I've been at a machine - and I've had stuff since Windows 3.1 |
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| Jaso United States. July 20 2012 22:06. Posts 1505 | Profile Blog # |
Regardless of if it's a heat issue or not, I still recommend Lubbo's It's really nice; without it my MBP lets itself go up to 80C without the fans spinning over 3000RPM resulting in throttling and 20FPS in games I should be getting 60FPS in. |
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| Air2gear July 20 2012 22:27. Posts 169 | Profile Blog # |
| Have you updated your Boot Camp driver to 4.0? |
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| Chaggi Korea (South). July 20 2012 23:12. Posts 1084 | Profile # |
On July 20 2012 22:06 Jaso wrote:Regardless of if it's a heat issue or not, I still recommend Lubbo's  It's really nice; without it my MBP lets itself go up to 80C without the fans spinning over 3000RPM resulting in throttling and 20FPS in games I should be getting 60FPS in.
I will try it!
What setting are you using? I just set it to a 2 fans, 1 gpu, seems not to make a difference vs 2 fans, 2 gpu
Have you updated your Boot Camp driver to 4.0?
I just installed Mountain Lion and got the Boot Camp drivers, so I'm assuming that's the most recent aka 4.0?Last edit: 2012-07-20 23:17:38 |
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| Jaso United States. July 20 2012 23:21. Posts 1505 | Profile Blog # |
On July 20 2012 23:12 Chaggi wrote: Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 22:06 Jaso wrote:Regardless of if it's a heat issue or not, I still recommend Lubbo's  It's really nice; without it my MBP lets itself go up to 80C without the fans spinning over 3000RPM resulting in throttling and 20FPS in games I should be getting 60FPS in.
I will try it! What setting are you using? I just set it to a 2 fans, 1 gpu, seems not to make a difference vs 2 fans, 2 gpu I just installed Mountain Lion and got the Boot Camp drivers, so I'm assuming that's the most recent aka 4.0?
My MBP is the base model from 2009, so I only have integrated graphics with the 9400M and therefore 1 fan.
You have the 6750M as a dedicated card so you'd want 2 fans/2gpu. Hope it helps! |
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| Chaggi Korea (South). July 20 2012 23:41. Posts 1084 | Profile # |
On July 20 2012 23:21 Jaso wrote: Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 23:12 Chaggi wrote: On July 20 2012 22:06 Jaso wrote:Regardless of if it's a heat issue or not, I still recommend Lubbo's  It's really nice; without it my MBP lets itself go up to 80C without the fans spinning over 3000RPM resulting in throttling and 20FPS in games I should be getting 60FPS in.
I will try it! What setting are you using? I just set it to a 2 fans, 1 gpu, seems not to make a difference vs 2 fans, 2 gpu Have you updated your Boot Camp driver to 4.0?
I just installed Mountain Lion and got the Boot Camp drivers, so I'm assuming that's the most recent aka 4.0?
My MBP is the base model from 2009, so I only have integrated graphics with the 9400M and therefore 1 fan. You have the 6750M as a dedicated card so you'd want 2 fans/2gpu. Hope it helps!
ok, I moved them around and it didn't seem to matter since only 1 GPU is active in boot camp.
I'm not sure if this sparks anyone's thoughts but whenever I do a fresh open of SC2 (both NA and KR), I start off with decent FPS (200-300) and go down to 170, then 140, and then 70 and then 60... and go all the way down to 20-30
However, when I play again, my FPS starts only at 60-70s, and goes down even lower than normal. Possible something with cache?
Also the program shows that I have 2 GPU and I think(?) the temps are wrong.
It says that 1 GPU is at a normal 53C~ while my other one is at a 90C, and that's not even moving. I think sensors are messed up. Last edit: 2012-07-20 23:42:52 |
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| Jaso United States. July 21 2012 00:26. Posts 1505 | Profile Blog # |
On July 20 2012 23:41 Chaggi wrote: Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 23:21 Jaso wrote: On July 20 2012 23:12 Chaggi wrote: On July 20 2012 22:06 Jaso wrote:Regardless of if it's a heat issue or not, I still recommend Lubbo's  It's really nice; without it my MBP lets itself go up to 80C without the fans spinning over 3000RPM resulting in throttling and 20FPS in games I should be getting 60FPS in.
I will try it! What setting are you using? I just set it to a 2 fans, 1 gpu, seems not to make a difference vs 2 fans, 2 gpu Have you updated your Boot Camp driver to 4.0?
I just installed Mountain Lion and got the Boot Camp drivers, so I'm assuming that's the most recent aka 4.0?
My MBP is the base model from 2009, so I only have integrated graphics with the 9400M and therefore 1 fan. You have the 6750M as a dedicated card so you'd want 2 fans/2gpu. Hope it helps!
ok, I moved them around and it didn't seem to matter since only 1 GPU is active in boot camp. I'm not sure if this sparks anyone's thoughts but whenever I do a fresh open of SC2 (both NA and KR), I start off with decent FPS (200-300) and go down to 170, then 140, and then 70 and then 60... and go all the way down to 20-30 However, when I play again, my FPS starts only at 60-70s, and goes down even lower than normal. Possible something with cache? Also the program shows that I have 2 GPU and I think(?) the temps are wrong. It says that 1 GPU is at a normal 53C~ while my other one is at a 90C, and that's not even moving. I think sensors are messed up.
Yeah something weird happens with the sensors. Some of them don't work correctly. Just pay attention to the one that works |
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| Chaggi Korea (South). July 21 2012 00:42. Posts 1084 | Profile # |
On July 21 2012 00:26 Jaso wrote: Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 23:41 Chaggi wrote: On July 20 2012 23:21 Jaso wrote: On July 20 2012 23:12 Chaggi wrote: On July 20 2012 22:06 Jaso wrote:Regardless of if it's a heat issue or not, I still recommend Lubbo's  It's really nice; without it my MBP lets itself go up to 80C without the fans spinning over 3000RPM resulting in throttling and 20FPS in games I should be getting 60FPS in.
I will try it! What setting are you using? I just set it to a 2 fans, 1 gpu, seems not to make a difference vs 2 fans, 2 gpu Have you updated your Boot Camp driver to 4.0?
I just installed Mountain Lion and got the Boot Camp drivers, so I'm assuming that's the most recent aka 4.0?
My MBP is the base model from 2009, so I only have integrated graphics with the 9400M and therefore 1 fan. You have the 6750M as a dedicated card so you'd want 2 fans/2gpu. Hope it helps!
ok, I moved them around and it didn't seem to matter since only 1 GPU is active in boot camp. I'm not sure if this sparks anyone's thoughts but whenever I do a fresh open of SC2 (both NA and KR), I start off with decent FPS (200-300) and go down to 170, then 140, and then 70 and then 60... and go all the way down to 20-30 However, when I play again, my FPS starts only at 60-70s, and goes down even lower than normal. Possible something with cache? Also the program shows that I have 2 GPU and I think(?) the temps are wrong. It says that 1 GPU is at a normal 53C~ while my other one is at a 90C, and that's not even moving. I think sensors are messed up.
Yeah something weird happens with the sensors. Some of them don't work correctly. Just pay attention to the one that works
lol okay
Sigh, my 2011 MBP at lowest is such a POS. I can't believe I'm even considering buying the new Retina MBP just to play SC2...
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| Air2gear July 22 2012 18:06. Posts 169 | Profile Blog # |
Make an appointment with Apple Genius and show them your issue with MBP. They should replace/fix your MBP if your warranty is still within one year since the purchase for free. Unless you bought AppleCare which is 3 years.
Does the issue still appear in Mac OS X with SC2 or is it only limited to Bootcamp Windows?
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| Tanukki Finland. July 22 2012 19:23. Posts 502 | Profile # |
All things considered I'd say it's overheating and the temperatures aren't being reported properly. To confirm it I'd try to cool down the laptop by increasing airflow around it, cleaning dust from the air vents, and forcing your fans to 100% using that Lubbo's software, then see if that changes anything. You should also probably enable vsync or force an FPS limit of 60 using the ati control panel, because going beyond that is just stressing the hardware for no reason. Actually, if you just lower the graphics without vsync, your computer is just going to render more frames to use up all its resources anyway, so limiting the FPS is important.
Either way you ought to look into getting real life tech support if it's available for free. Otherwise and if it turns out to be overheating, look into additional ways of cooling the system such as further cleaning, changing the thermal paste, pads, maybe even undervolting.Last edit: 2012-07-22 19:32:19 |
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| Chaggi Korea (South). July 23 2012 00:13. Posts 1084 | Profile # |
On July 22 2012 18:06 Air2gear wrote: Make an appointment with Apple Genius and show them your issue with MBP. They should replace/fix your MBP if your warranty is still within one year since the purchase for free. Unless you bought AppleCare which is 3 years.
Does the issue still appear in Mac OS X with SC2 or is it only limited to Bootcamp Windows?
Appears on both. I don't have AppleCare anymore actually so this is a big reason for me to try and solve it myself.
On July 22 2012 19:23 Tanukki wrote:All things considered I'd say it's overheating and the temperatures aren't being reported properly. To confirm it I'd try to cool down the laptop by increasing airflow around it, cleaning dust from the air vents, and forcing your fans to 100% using that Lubbo's software, then see if that changes anything. You should also probably enable vsync or force an FPS limit of 60 using the ati control panel, because going beyond that is just stressing the hardware for no reason. Actually, if you just lower the graphics without vsync, your computer is just going to render more frames to use up all its resources anyway, so limiting the FPS is important. Either way you ought to look into getting real life tech support if it's available for free. Otherwise and if it turns out to be overheating, look into additional ways of cooling the system such as further cleaning, changing the thermal paste, pads, maybe even undervolting.
I thought the same thing actually and been experimenting with overheating stuff. I've been doing a lot of benchmarks and it doesn't appear to be overheating as my benchmarks are usually on the point if not higher than what I should be getting. My FPS is also limited to 60 now, and fans are increased to 6000 RPMs
HOWEVER
I found something interesting and I think either my sensor's broken and/or something's really fucked up.
When I'm playing Starcraft, and it's running well - my GPU load is at 30-33%. This is 60+ FPS, aka perfect FPS.
However, when I keep playing the game, my GPU Load keeps dropping for no reason, even when I have more things on the screen. By the time I'm at 200/200 supply - I'm literally at 0% GPU load.
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