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 JudicatorHammurabi   United States. June 15 2012 13:12. Posts 2025
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On June 15 2012 13:10 Ig wrote:

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So Uncle Sam gets to do whatever he wants? You realize the US isn't even part of the UNCLOS agreement whose terms they're assisting their allies in "defending" right? Its simply everyone out for themselves.

That's the way the world works, however unfortunate it is, and it's always been that way. Right now, Uncle Sam rules land, sea, and air.
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 Ig   United States. June 15 2012 13:14. Posts 407
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On June 15 2012 13:12 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

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That's the way the world works, however unfortunate it is, and it's always been that way. Right now, Uncle Sam rules land, sea, and air.

That's a "for now" statement, and Uncle Sam sure doesn't rule the job market.
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 JudicatorHammurabi   United States. June 15 2012 13:18. Posts 2025
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On June 15 2012 13:14 Ig wrote:

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That's a "for now" statement, and Uncle Sam sure doesn't rule the job market.

For the foreseeable future. And we're not simply unbreakable because of our military prowess or economic/corporate dominance in the world, but the influence and power we have throughout most of the world, especially the developed world. China does not.
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 Pseudoku   Canada. June 15 2012 13:19. Posts 429
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China will win.

"Western" media is terribly biased.
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 Ig   United States. June 15 2012 13:19. Posts 407
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On June 15 2012 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

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For the foreseeable future. And we're not simply unbreakable because of our military prowess or economic dominance in the world, but the influence and power we have throughout most of the world, especially the developed world. China does not.

Do you watch Fox News?
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 JudicatorHammurabi   United States. June 15 2012 13:21. Posts 2025
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On June 15 2012 13:19 Ig wrote:

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Do you watch Fox News?

I don't even watch news, and if I had to, Fox would be towards the bottom of the list. I probably wouldn't even watch US news at that, there's a bit too much garbage.

Why do you ask? Are you in denial of the US's power on the global stage? Bro, China doesn't come close.

Let me ask a question. Are you Chinese?
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 dAPhREAk   Nauru. June 15 2012 13:22. Posts 8698
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why does every political thread turn into a pro/con-US debate?
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 DannyJ   United States. June 15 2012 13:26. Posts 3735
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On June 15 2012 13:22 dAPhREAk wrote:
why does every political thread turn into a pro/con-US debate?


At least this topic actually involves the US.

Personally i welcome wrangling with communists. It's a time honored tradition! Sadly it's not quite as fun as with the Soviet Union since China and the US are too connected economically.
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 EchoZ   China. June 15 2012 13:26. Posts 3157
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On June 15 2012 13:22 dAPhREAk wrote:
why does every political thread turn into a pro/con-US debate?


Cause they are always in every intervention, "Global Peacekeepers".

But anyway, that section claimed is abit too much...
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 Ig   United States. June 15 2012 13:31. Posts 407
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On June 15 2012 13:21 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

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I don't even watch news, and if I had to, Fox would be towards the bottom of the list. I probably wouldn't even watch US news at that, there's a bit too much garbage.

Why do you ask? Are you in denial of the US's power on the global stage? Bro, China doesn't come close.

I think you should be asking yourself if you're in denial over the rise of other nations. China actually does register now in terms of international influence, believe it or not. Have you kept up in any way at all? The US is in a weaker position right now because of reputation hits from Iraq and Afghanistan along with the flaccid economy. Along with that, divisive politics has hamstrung domestic progress and has made us quite a laughingstock. The fact remains that China could go to economic war with the US and win because of the debt they hold and the leverage it provides, but they won't because any kind of war between the two would be disastrous for the world.


On June 15 2012 13:22 dAPhREAk wrote:
why does every political thread turn into a pro/con-US debate?

Because it inevitably goes to the double standards people have for the US compared with non-Western nations. In this case its basically China trying to be the one carrying the biggest stick in Asia while the US wants to keep their position as the one with the biggest stick.
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 EchoZ   China. June 15 2012 13:42. Posts 3157
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On June 15 2012 13:31 Ig wrote:

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I think you should be asking yourself if you're in denial over the rise of other nations. China actually does register now in terms of international influence, believe it or not. Have you kept up in any way at all? The US is in a weaker position right now because of reputation hits from Iraq and Afghanistan along with the flaccid economy. Along with that, divisive politics has hamstrung domestic progress and has made us quite a laughingstock. The fact remains that China could go to economic war with the US and win because of the debt they hold and the leverage it provides, but they won't because any kind of war between the two would be disastrous for the world.


More like the BRICS coming up.
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 iTzSnypah   United States. June 15 2012 13:43. Posts 1219
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On June 15 2012 13:31 Ig wrote:

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I think you should be asking yourself if you're in denial over the rise of other nations. China actually does register now in terms of international influence, believe it or not. Have you kept up in any way at all? The US is in a weaker position right now because of reputation hits from Iraq and Afghanistan along with the flaccid economy. Along with that, divisive politics has hamstrung domestic progress and has made us quite a laughingstock. The fact remains that China could go to economic war with the US and win because of the debt they hold and the leverage it provides, but they won't because any kind of war between the two would be disastrous for the world.


LOL what? China ranks behind USA in GPD (PPP and Nominal) by more that a fair amount.
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 Zrana   United Kingdom. June 15 2012 13:44. Posts 675
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but they won't because any kind of war between the two would be disastrous for the world.


Really hope you're right.

Not completely sure if i trust the kind of people who want to be politicians to think sympathetically about anyone else.
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 Ig   United States. June 15 2012 13:44. Posts 407
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On June 15 2012 13:43 iTzSnypah wrote:

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LOL what? China ranks behind USA in GPD (PPP and Nominal) by more that a fair amount.

Its not a point about GDP, its about what they can do with the American debt they hold.


On June 15 2012 13:44 Zrana wrote:

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Really hope you're right.

Not completely sure if i trust the kind of people who want to be politicians to think sympathetically about anyone else.

I can say with confidence that the Chinese people don't want to go to war with the US. I sadly can't say the same for some of us Americans. But like you said with politicians on the other hand... I really hope I'm right too.


On June 15 2012 13:42 EchoZ wrote:
More like the BRICS coming up.


Ditto that.
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 ulan-bat   China. June 15 2012 13:58. Posts 346
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On June 15 2012 13:44 Ig wrote:
I can say with confidence that the Chinese people don't want to go to war with the US. I sadly can't say the same for some of us Americans. But like you said with politicians on the other hand... I really hope I'm right too.


Well, the people wants economic growth at any cost BUT if anyone starts to mess with China's sovereignty he should be prepared to have 1.4 billions pairs of feet kicking his ass pronto. The whole nation functions as a monolithic ass-kicker whenever foreign countries are involved. You can be sure that every piece of media ensures that it stays this way too...

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 TehPrime   United States. June 15 2012 14:03. Posts 180
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I love how people are saying "china will win" just to jump on america-hate bandwagon.

Philippines want US military's help. They regret kicking US military base out of Philippines and this is the result. Another "asshole" nation claiming over a giant maritime territory with a bullshit boundary they created from their fickle of imagine, just because they can bully other small nations.

China is no better than USA. They want to assume the current position of USA. A bully taking out another bully to be the king of bully of the world, as usual.

BTW, every single Asian countries hate china's guts. The only nation that seems to be in terms of "friendly" is North Korea. If war breaks out, you can bet your ass all those Asian nations surrounding china would want to help out USA.
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 Ig   United States. June 15 2012 14:12. Posts 407
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On June 15 2012 14:03 TehPrime wrote:
I love how people are saying "china will win" just to jump on america-hate bandwagon.

Philippines want US military's help. They regret kicking US military base out of Philippines and this is the result. Another "asshole" nation claiming over a giant maritime territory with a bullshit boundary they created from their fickle of imagine, just because they can bully other small nations.

BTW, every single Asian countries hate china's guts. The only nation that seems to be in terms of "friendly" is North Korea. If war breaks out, you can bet your ass all those Asian nations surrounding china would want to help out USA.

The situation is actually quite similar to that of the US vs European influence in Latin America in the early 20th century, hence why I mention double standards (and big stick diplomacy) for the hate bandwagons. Back then, everyone (being Europe and the US) wanted to exploit the region (like what they did to Africa) but it can be argued that US big stick diplomacy and subsequent regional influence was the lesser of two evils in that the US didn't quite go in and carve everything up. You can say every country in the region hates China, but I see quite a few groups from the region, especially South Koreans, making tons of money off China these days.

Its also rather ignorant and rude to label a whole nation as an "asshole" too, especially since both nations that you mention are "asshole" nations under your standards.
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 DannyJ   United States. June 15 2012 14:14. Posts 3735
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On June 15 2012 14:12 Ig wrote:

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The situation is actually quite similar to that of the US vs European influence in Latin America in the early 20th century, hence why I mention double standards (and big stick diplomacy) for the hate bandwagons. You can say every country in the region hates China, but I see quite a few groups from the region, especially South Koreans, making tons of money off China these days.

Its also rather ignorant and rude to label a whole nation as an "asshole" too, especially since both nations that you mention are "asshole" nations under your standards.


Pretty sure he flat out said that...

Edit: oh nm he must have edited that part in while you were typing.
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 TehPrime   United States. June 15 2012 14:16. Posts 180
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On June 15 2012 14:12 Ig wrote:

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The situation is actually quite similar to that of the US vs European influence in Latin America in the early 20th century, hence why I mention double standards (and big stick diplomacy) for the hate bandwagons. You can say every country in the region hates China, but I see quite a few groups from the region, especially South Koreans, making tons of money off China these days.

Its also rather ignorant and rude to label a whole nation as an "asshole" too, especially since both nations that you mention are "asshole" nations under your standards.

Economic partnership doesn't mean much when it comes to diplomatic relationships. Both South Korea and Japan has economic partnership with china. That does not mean both of their bilateral relationship is in good standing. The partnership revolves around money.

With china keep barking at both South Korea and Japan over maritime boundaries and island ownership (senkaku islands incident), there is no way both of these countries are in good term with china. They are actually sick of china's bully tantrum. The diplomatic relationship between china and Japan is actually in all time low as of this moment, even low compared to Junichiro Koizumi's era.

china's ego will further drive both South Korea and Japan's relationship with USA much stronger, which china very much opposes. This is only good news for USA. Now the very same thing is happening with Philippines-USA alliance.
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 Black[CAT]   Malaysia. June 15 2012 14:21. Posts 2537
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LOL, their coverage includes the sea oil reserves areas of Brunei and Sarawak!
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