| Heh_ Singapore. June 15 2012 05:08. Posts 2245 | Profile Blog # |
On June 15 2012 05:04 Kurumi wrote:
I am scared of this progressing further. Will I wake up one day and find that I need to serve my new genetically-enhanced master? Drop the Utopian vision of mankind uniting and helping the most troubled, the most powerful people are going to get the biggest share of those discoveries. We are not perfect, how is this supposed to work? If this scenario ever happened, could we just leave Earth for our old-selves and make "super humans" explore the cosmos in our name?
The post above you says it all. You'll be dead before the technology exists to make all these modifications.
And creating a "simple" knockout takes like a year in a mouse, it's no easy task. |
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 Blasterion China. June 15 2012 05:08. Posts 10268 | Profile Blog # |
On June 15 2012 05:04 Kurumi wrote:
I am scared of this progressing further. Will I wake up one day and find that I need to serve my new genetically-enhanced master? Drop the Utopian vision of mankind uniting and helping the most troubled, the most powerful people are going to get the biggest share of those discoveries. We are not perfect, how is this supposed to work? If this scenario ever happened, could we just leave Earth for our old-selves and make "super humans" explore the cosmos in our name?
we are not perfect isexactly why we work towards perfection. |
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| NationInArms United States. June 15 2012 05:09. Posts 1534 | Profile Blog # |
I think the problem is money.
Until genetically modification of babies is cheap, only the rich/government will be able to afford them. This leaves the poor people behind with inferior offspring while the modified offspring will live longer, be more productive, be more intelligent etc. Eventually you have an even wider gap between the rich and the poor. Society will become even more divided as it eventually becomes a society with two groups; rich genetically modified people and poor "regular" people. An example of this occurring happens in the anime Gundam SEED where the modified "coordinators" are attacked by the "normals" who are jealous of their modification.
Another comparison can be made with a pandemic that's spreading around the world. If a vaccine is created, who decides who gets the currently limited quantities of vaccines? The government could do a lottery, but even then the rich can always pay for favors. And a lottery wouldn't exactly work for genetic modification because of how expensive it is. The government would only be able to genetically modify a certain amount of babies, which would be at a slower pace than what everyone wants. And the rich would just be able to do it themselves. |
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| D_K_night Canada. June 15 2012 05:10. Posts 605 | Profile # |
There's also the concern around future generations of the GM'ed individual. I remember reading a study on genetically modified mice and if I'm not mistaken, these mice, while they appeared to be normal, turned out to be sterile.
There's some kind of "protection" of sorts which I'm not sure we've "cracked the code", but if we have indeed have...I would be a little concerned over just how much customization a parent could have over their offspring.Last edit: 2012-06-15 05:11:23 |
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| Arush Canada. June 15 2012 05:12. Posts 68 | Profile # |
What you guys think of babies that will prob birth with more anomallys that handicaps them instead of making them stronger
caus there is never researches on genetics that will always have 100% accurate results. Thats why im scared about, if its really worth it... |
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| amazingxkcd United States. June 15 2012 05:13. Posts 2804 | Profile # |
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| Zooper31 United States. June 15 2012 05:17. Posts 3657 | Profile # |
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| Heh_ Singapore. June 15 2012 05:18. Posts 2245 | Profile Blog # |
On June 15 2012 05:10 D_K_night wrote:
There's also the concern around future generations of the GM'ed individual. I remember reading a study on genetically modified mice and if I'm not mistaken, these mice, while they appeared to be normal, turned out to be sterile.
There's some kind of "protection" of sorts which I'm not sure we've "cracked the code", but if we have indeed have...I would be a little concerned over just how much customization a parent could have over their offspring.
Experiments involving modification of the mouse genome occurs all the time. Some don't work because a gene with an essential irreplaceable function has been altered, but most of the time it works. |
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| Mrvoodoochild1 United States. June 15 2012 05:21. Posts 1437 | Profile # |
| What's wrong with making stronger smarter human beings? Don't let your religious views get in the way of progress. |
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| bailando Germany. June 15 2012 05:26. Posts 296 | Profile # |
i am really scared of that shit to be honest. 
this progress frightens me somehow just like so other progressions in our world. i dont really know what to think of it. |
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| JudicatorHammurabi United States. June 15 2012 05:26. Posts 2040 | Profile # |
On June 15 2012 04:39 ProGamerX wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 23:04 kef wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html
The world's first geneticallymodified humans have been created, it was revealed last night.
The disclosure that 30 healthy babies were born after a series of experiments in the United States provoked another furious debate about ethics.
So far, two of the babies have been tested and have been found to contain genes from three 'parents'.
The other day I was actually wondering about human cloning: why hasn't it happened yet? My guess is that it already has happened in a secret lab somewhere, it just hasn't been made public; although that could just be wishful thinking on my account. I understand the reason for people's fear when it comes to human cloning: the rise of a new race of superhumans that wipe out the old-style humans, or creating a world like those of GATTACA or The Sixth Day are scary prospects. However, as we learn more and more about genetics and inheritable disease, it becomes apparent that genetic modification (GM) would be a huge advancement in the prevention/treatment (being one and the same in this case) of such disease. Anyways, I'd like to open a discussion here on TL about GM and cloning, and see what all you intelligent people think about it. EDIT: added another source http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/1312708.stm*Facepalm* http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn712-gm-babies.htmlThis article is dated may 2001, while the dailymail is dated 14 June 2012 So assuming this happened 11 years ago, what do you guys think the state of human cloning is right now? Could they already be among us?
It's possible. I'm more in favor of human cloning if we can cybernetically enhance 'non-super humans' so that they too have a fighting chance against the genetic super humans.
Then we'll become like the Strogg  .
On June 15 2012 05:09 NationInArms wrote:
I think the problem is money.
Until genetically modification of babies is cheap, only the rich/government will be able to afford them. This leaves the poor people behind with inferior offspring while the modified offspring will live longer, be more productive, be more intelligent etc. Eventually you have an even wider gap between the rich and the poor. Society will become even more divided as it eventually becomes a society with two groups; rich genetically modified people and poor "regular" people. An example of this occurring happens in the anime Gundam SEED where the modified "coordinators" are attacked by the "normals" who are jealous of their modification.
Another comparison can be made with a pandemic that's spreading around the world. If a vaccine is created, who decides who gets the currently limited quantities of vaccines? The government could do a lottery, but even then the rich can always pay for favors. And a lottery wouldn't exactly work for genetic modification because of how expensive it is. The government would only be able to genetically modify a certain amount of babies, which would be at a slower pace than what everyone wants. And the rich would just be able to do it themselves.
I highly, highly doubt it will ever reach a point that extreme. Even if it does, annihilating them will not be a big issue. Not only that, but GM things tend to be pretty fucked up, not really better, and if not them, their offspring, such as GMO crops and lab tests on mammals. Fact of the matter is fucking with nature, especially to this extreme, doesn't exactly work out.Last edit: 2012-06-15 05:28:37 |
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| Attican Denmark. June 15 2012 05:27. Posts 529 | Profile # |
Why did the daily mail do an 11 year bump of a story? Is it a slow news day or something?
Also I'm not terribly bothered by the idea of modifying genes to prevent diseases/disabilities, if access could become widespread enough and affordable enough it could help out the human race quite significantly. Just have to prevent a Gattaca type situation. Science ftw essentially. |
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| Mrvoodoochild1 United States. June 15 2012 05:27. Posts 1437 | Profile # |
On June 15 2012 05:12 Arush wrote:
What you guys think of babies that will prob birth with more anomallys that handicaps them instead of making them stronger
caus there is never researches on genetics that will always have 100% accurate results. Thats why im scared about, if its really worth it...
Because babies arn't born with diseases and anomallys everyday. I don't have a problem with this if they can make the process near perfect. All this really is is improving the gene pool. |
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| Gamegene United States. June 15 2012 05:28. Posts 6841 | Profile Blog # |
I'm a little paranoid about something going horribly wrong if this was introduced on a larger scale.
And just HOW do you introduce this on a larger scale?Last edit: 2012-06-15 05:29:47 |
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| Heweree United Kingdom. June 15 2012 05:28. Posts 497 | Profile # |
My guess is that it already has happened in a secret lab somewhere, it just hasn't been made public; although that could just be wishful thinking on my account.
I understand the reason for people's fear when it comes to human cloning: the rise of a new race of superhumans that wipe out the old-style humans
Hum no? It just poses huge ethics problem. Would these clones be considered humans, or worth less than actual humans?
A few deviance I could see is clone forced prostitution (no kidding clone Megan fox or whatever), use them for organ donating (imagine your kid is dying, wouldn't it be tempted to take the heart of this cloned human?), war..etc
We should instead invest in nano technologies, can be as useful without all the possible deviances.Last edit: 2012-06-15 05:30:53 |
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| MrMotionPicture United States. June 15 2012 05:28. Posts 2824 | Profile # |
| I once met a kid who didn't have a belly button. I like to think that he was probably a clone... |
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| k0pf Germany. June 15 2012 05:30. Posts 72 | Profile # |
On June 15 2012 05:08 Heh_ wrote:
And creating a "simple" knockout takes like a year in a mouse, it's no easy task.
Ye this "simple" i mean "well known how to". Sure all these modifications take a lot of time and money. We are far away from "on the fly" differ genes form organisms.
And to the "create better human" stuff: Better in the way of "no genetical deseases" - okay. But until research discovers a way to make people stronger/smarter will take veeeeeery long. |
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| Zaqwert United States. June 15 2012 05:31. Posts 388 | Profile # |
This type of thing is completely unethical.
It's pretty much guaranteed that if you start down this path you are going to have many, many "failed" experiments. Kids born with ridiculous birth defects or crazy genetic disorders, kids getting huge tumors at age 5, etc.
This isn't the type of science you just "get right" from the get go, they'll have to basically destroy many thousands of people's lives, like lab mice, in order to get any sort of reliable methods down. |
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| RoosterSamurai United States. June 15 2012 05:32. Posts 2101 | Profile Blog # |
| At first I was kind of irritated at the thought of genetic modification, but then I realized that stupid people are out-breeding smart people at a staggering rate. |
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| Mrvoodoochild1 United States. June 15 2012 05:33. Posts 1437 | Profile # |
On June 15 2012 05:28 Gamegene wrote:
I'm a little paranoid about something going horribly wrong if this was introduced on a larger scale.
And just HOW do you introduce this on a larger scale?
Well, you just need to make a patch of super humans and then just impregnate a large number of females with their seed. Then you have a new breed of humans. |
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