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| ErAsc2 Sweden. June 16 2012 21:44. Posts 256 | Profile # |
Hi. I recently got my hands on an NA account for the TSL4 qualifiers. So I thougt I'd try some laddering on NA for a week just to get used to the latency and to try out the NA servers in general. And I'm being stunned by how many obvious maphackers there are. Why are they not getting banned? Players who doesn't scout at all and reacts to your movements thru the fog of war, players who doesnt scout at all on 4player maps and then goes straight to your base to attack. They're everywhere (GM mmr).
I've been playing on NA for the past 3 days. Each day, I report ~3-4 maphackers (I don't report anybody who isn't extremely obvious), then I add them to my friendlist to follow up. None of them has gotten banned so far. I know spades got caugh aswell, he got accepted into MLG and is still on free foot. Is maphacking accepted now or what is up? |
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| nkr Sweden. June 16 2012 21:45. Posts 2779 | Profile Blog # | |
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 From Afar United States. June 16 2012 21:48. Posts 19 | Profile # |
On June 16 2012 21:44 ErAsc2 wrote:
Hi. I recently got my hands on an NA account for the TSL4 qualifiers. So I thougt I'd try some laddering on NA for a week just to get used to the latency and to try out the NA servers in general. And I'm being stunned by how many obvious maphackers there are. Why are they not getting banned? Players who doesn't scout at all and reacts to your movements thru the fog of war, players who doesnt scout at all on 4player maps and then goes straight to your base to attack. They're everywhere (GM mmr).
I've been playing on NA for the past 3 days. Each day, I report ~3-4 maphackers (I don't report anybody who isn't extremely obvious), then I add them to my friendlist to follow up. None of them has gotten banned so far. I know spades got caugh aswell, he got accepted into MLG and is still on free foot. Is maphacking accepted now or what is up?
3-4 a day seems lit a lot. I can't say from experience, but you're probably getting a lot of innocent people. Of course, you could be hitting a ton of map hackers. People weren't really worried about hacking just a few weeks ago, so it's hard to say how much of this is just hysteria, even if there were only a few hackers, it would still be a big problem. |
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| ErAsc2 Sweden. June 16 2012 21:51. Posts 256 | Profile # |
On June 16 2012 21:48 From Afar wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 21:44 ErAsc2 wrote:
Hi. I recently got my hands on an NA account for the TSL4 qualifiers. So I thougt I'd try some laddering on NA for a week just to get used to the latency and to try out the NA servers in general. And I'm being stunned by how many obvious maphackers there are. Why are they not getting banned? Players who doesn't scout at all and reacts to your movements thru the fog of war, players who doesnt scout at all on 4player maps and then goes straight to your base to attack. They're everywhere (GM mmr).
I've been playing on NA for the past 3 days. Each day, I report ~3-4 maphackers (I don't report anybody who isn't extremely obvious), then I add them to my friendlist to follow up. None of them has gotten banned so far. I know spades got caugh aswell, he got accepted into MLG and is still on free foot. Is maphacking accepted now or what is up?
3-4 a day seems lit a lot. I can't say from experience, but you're probably getting a lot of innocent people. Of course, you could be hitting a ton of map hackers. People weren't really worried about hacking just a few weeks ago, so it's hard to say how much of this is just hysteria, even if there were only a few hackers, it would still be a big problem.
I'm hitting a lot of suspicious players aswell, but I only report the very obvious ones. I played ~25games/day the past 3 days and every 25 of those has 3-4 really obvious maphackers.
Here's a game from just a couple of minutes ago. Note how he reacts with his reaper to exactly what my stalker is doing and then goes straight cross position for my base.
http://drop.sc/198781
Anything less obvious than this, I would not report.Last edit: 2012-06-16 21:52:12 |
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| MicroTastiC June 16 2012 21:54. Posts 344 | Profile # |
| I think the time it took for Blizzard to implement Arcade Beta can be used to implement anti-hack within SC2 itself. |
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| From Afar United States. June 16 2012 22:00. Posts 19 | Profile # |
On June 16 2012 21:51 ErAsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 21:48 From Afar wrote:
On June 16 2012 21:44 ErAsc2 wrote:
Hi. I recently got my hands on an NA account for the TSL4 qualifiers. So I thougt I'd try some laddering on NA for a week just to get used to the latency and to try out the NA servers in general. And I'm being stunned by how many obvious maphackers there are. Why are they not getting banned? Players who doesn't scout at all and reacts to your movements thru the fog of war, players who doesnt scout at all on 4player maps and then goes straight to your base to attack. They're everywhere (GM mmr).
I've been playing on NA for the past 3 days. Each day, I report ~3-4 maphackers (I don't report anybody who isn't extremely obvious), then I add them to my friendlist to follow up. None of them has gotten banned so far. I know spades got caugh aswell, he got accepted into MLG and is still on free foot. Is maphacking accepted now or what is up?
3-4 a day seems lit a lot. I can't say from experience, but you're probably getting a lot of innocent people. Of course, you could be hitting a ton of map hackers. People weren't really worried about hacking just a few weeks ago, so it's hard to say how much of this is just hysteria, even if there were only a few hackers, it would still be a big problem.
I'm hitting a lot of suspicious players aswell, but I only report the very obvious ones. I played ~25games/day the past 3 days and every 25 of those has 3-4 really obvious maphackers. Here's a game from just a couple of minutes ago. Note how he reacts with his reaper to exactly what my stalker is doing and then goes straight cross position for my base. http://drop.sc/198781 Anything less obvious than this, I would not report.
It's always cool when the game is over and your opponent still hasn't scouted your main. Last edit: 2012-06-16 22:00:56 |
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| Caddy United Kingdom. June 16 2012 22:06. Posts 178 | Profile # |
Here's a game from just a couple of minutes ago. Note how he reacts with his reaper to exactly what my stalker is doing and then goes straight cross position for my base. http://drop.sc/198781 Anything less obvious than this, I would not report.
Yup. That's not even the hack that hides when he looks into the fog of war. He looks at your base constantly throughout the replay, even checking if the forges, which he never actually "saw", were upgrading or not.
I heard the map hacking was getting bad, but that's an extremely high number. 
Such a shame. Blizzard have to do something. |
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| Aterons_toss Romania. June 16 2012 22:14. Posts 1227 | Profile Blog # |
Is it just an NA thing ? I think map hacks are simply becoming more popular nowadays with all the cases pointed out on TL/blizzard forums and the fact that blizzard doesn't want to hand out bans for it, only demote or temp ban.
It might be nasty if high master/gm player start doing it a lot, but except for spades... has anyone ? I mean, if they did they should be top 10 GM by now and i don't really see a lot of non names there...
Also, its kinda fun to play against them tbh.
Managed to pull a game off a guy who went cc first into 3rd fast cc with a 3 gate expand and i didn't even move out of my base except for one 3 stalker push that did no damage, also had ( i believe 3 ) games vs zergs who are going 3 hatch in min 7-8 and have lolable amounts of unit when i push/are unable to punish a fast 3rd.
In the end you can beat any bellow gm map hacker by being better i would say. |
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| sCCrooked Korea (South). June 16 2012 22:16. Posts 1068 | Profile Blog # |
| He's pretty accurate sadly. This isn't just hysteria in the sense of people freaking out over something small and making it a lot bigger than it needs to be. Hackers comprise a very large percentage of the NA server's ladder population at virtually every league now. It really needs to be addressed. |
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| ErAsc2 Sweden. June 16 2012 22:21. Posts 256 | Profile # |
On June 16 2012 22:14 Aterons_toss wrote:
Is it just an NA thing ? I think map hacks are simply becoming more popular nowadays with all the cases pointed out on TL/blizzard forums and the fact that blizzard doesn't want to hand out bans for it, only demote or temp ban.
It might be nasty if high master/gm player start doing it a lot, but except for spades... has anyone ? I mean, if they did they should be top 10 GM by now and i don't really see a lot of non names there...
Also, its kinda fun to play against them tbh.
Managed to pull a game off a guy who went cc first into 3rd fast cc with a 3 gate expand and i didn't even move out of my base except for one 3 stalker push that did no damage, also had ( i believe 3 ) games vs zergs who are going 3 hatch in min 7-8 and have lolable amounts of unit when i push/are unable to punish a fast 3rd.
In the end you can beat any bellow gm map hacker by being better i would say.
I don't know, I ended last season as top 50 GM EU, playing an average of maybe ~10games/day and I haven't reported a maphacker on EU for probably ~3 months. IF there is any maphackers on top EU level, they're hiding it very well. I can ensure you that it's not as common as on NA though... |
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| magnaflow Canada. June 16 2012 22:55. Posts 1381 | Profile # |
| I expect Blizzard should be doing a wave of bans soon (hopefully) |
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| Integra Sweden. June 16 2012 22:59. Posts 4907 | Profile Blog # |
| Seriously, the ladder is swarmed with hackers, litteraly every ZvsZ where i try to 6 pool or cheese, my opponent "magically" knows what I'm doing, it's really funny how they without scouting cancels their extractor/early hatch and starts placing spines in their main base once my zerglings hatches and starts running towards his base. |
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| -Kyo- United States. June 16 2012 23:02. Posts 913 | Profile Blog # |
Since the new season I've played quite a few hackers. A lot of them are on "new" accounts with very few games played, but it's still pretty obvious. I think I've played ~3/4 maphackers so far out of my 50 games this season.
6-10% is a lot.. and it's pretty annoying in things like PvP where literally you just auto lose some games because of it. |
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| EL33T_COL Canada. June 16 2012 23:24. Posts 67 | Profile # |
I dont think I have ever faced a blatant maphacker... maybe I just dont care.
But I've been accused of hacking some time... |
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| FegisSC June 16 2012 23:36. Posts 24 | Profile # |
| I've played quite a few maphackers too ( i play at high master / gm mmr ) funny thing is they arn't very good so even though they know everything you're doing you can still win. |
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| FromShouri United States. June 16 2012 23:36. Posts 408 | Profile Blog # |
Welcome to 10 years ago with SC:BW  USEast is a haven for all kinds of hackers. |
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| EtherealDeath United States. June 16 2012 23:41. Posts 8147 | Profile Blog # |
| Just be resigned to playing lots of hackers on ladder now. Clearly blizzard isn't going to invest the resources to take care of it. |
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| From Afar United States. June 16 2012 23:44. Posts 19 | Profile # |
| If the hackers have used their hacks for enough games to have an accurate ladder ranking, theoretically, they shouldn't be harder than your normal opponents, because they'll be mechanically worse. Of course, if you happen to be doing a cheese build or something, then you're just fucked, and at the highest level of play, where people already have pretty solid macro and whatnot, this might not still be true. |
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| ErAsc2 Sweden. June 16 2012 23:49. Posts 256 | Profile # |
On June 16 2012 23:44 From Afar wrote:
If the hackers have used their hacks for enough games to have an accurate ladder ranking, theoretically, they shouldn't be harder than your normal opponents, because they'll be mechanically worse. Of course, if you happen to be doing a cheese build or something, then you're just fucked, and at the highest level of play, where people already have pretty solid macro and whatnot, this might not still be true.
Yeye, most of the maphackers I've reported was a win for me. I don't care about ladder points lol. But knowing that spades played through showmatches and tournaments for money with maphack and could have still been doing so if he wasn't so damn obvious is really bugging me. |
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| EtherealDeath United States. June 16 2012 23:52. Posts 8147 | Profile Blog # |
On June 16 2012 23:49 ErAsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 23:44 From Afar wrote:
If the hackers have used their hacks for enough games to have an accurate ladder ranking, theoretically, they shouldn't be harder than your normal opponents, because they'll be mechanically worse. Of course, if you happen to be doing a cheese build or something, then you're just fucked, and at the highest level of play, where people already have pretty solid macro and whatnot, this might not still be true.
Yeye, most of the maphackers I've reported was a win for me. I don't care about ladder points lol. But knowing that spades played through showmatches and tournaments for money with maphack and could have still been doing so if he wasn't so damn obvious is really bugging me.
And then you have ppl like jvaljean who was top 100 gm and was so good at hiding it his games make him seem like a nonmaphacker even to those who check. Only one mistake performing an impossible action in one game in one instance got him caught. Who knows how many others are out there who are too good to be caught yet... |
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