[T] MTG Mini Mafia - Page 10

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On June 25 2012 09:52 WereBugs-Go wrote:
I think this game will play a little like igroks irc SSB considering the mechanics, that's why I thought it's funny. If gonzaw had posted that, whatever I don't recall him playing those funny set-ups a lot but you played quite some SSB as well yet you posted something like that.

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On June 25 2012 10:19 Oberyn wrote:


In SSB, the mafia kp remains constant at 1. It takes five turns to kill a player assuming there are no lynches. In this setup, the mafia kp is unblockable and grows more powerful each turn. At the start it takes two turns for them to kill a player. Endgame it takes one turn to kill a player. I don't think playing for late game is the best idea.

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On June 25 2012 10:27 Oberyn wrote:
Anyways, any ideas on the deck claim thingy? At least on the theme of it.


That way if we find a group of townies we can cooperate with each other using the knowledge of each other's decks to take down scum.

Also, would it be possible that Mafia use their own 4/1 beast to target themselves? If they have too many HP, they may attack themselves to "confirm" themselves as town right? Or will they just always hit the "most pro-town guy" every time?

/gonzaw

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On June 25 2012 10:42 GreYMisT wrote:


Attacking themselves would be akin to mafia voting or putting pressure on each other in any other game. It should be treated as such

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On June 25 2012 12:12 Oberyn wrote:
So...what do we do now? We regularly scumhunt, then pray our decks/cards allow us to play according to our reads?

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On June 24 2012 21:44 WereBugs-Go wrote:
Oh btw, that's the hydra Marv and I will be using this game. Might want to add it to the filter list?

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On June 25 2012 12:38 strongandbig wrote:


I think regularly scumhunting is a given.

The main question IMO is whether we try and implement some kind of system for organizing who attacks who, with some kind of voting involved - or if everyone should just attack / play contrary to the person they think is the scummiest.

I think the latter would be sort of like "voting with your creatures" - the problem is that it would mean that people who have more powerful decks at any given point in time would sort of "have more votes".

That's also another problem the town will have to deal with - some people's decks will be more powerful than others at different stages of the game.

The upside to the "voting with your creatures" plan is that it gives us more solid information. If you're actually reducing someone's life points (or their capability to block) then it kind of means you have to be more serious about it than you would if you were just doing a "pressure vote" on someone or basically doing anything in a normal mafia game other than seriously pushing a lynch.

My suggestion would be that for the first few days we actually require everyone to attack with all of their creatures. This would force scum to take stands that we could analyze. It's like a better version of the shitty "make everyone make cases" plan, except this time there are actual consequences to the actions we force people to take.

I'm a little bit drunk right now so this could be a terrible idea but at the moment I think it's a pretty good one. Tell me what you think.

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On June 25 2012 13:09 Oberyn wrote:



Would it be a good idea to at least claim which cards we have on our hands at each time?

Because we can't plan shit if the only thing we know about other players is the creatures/artifacts/stuff they have in play and their lands.

Meh I barely know shit about Magic so planning that stuff would be hard in the first place, but it's harder if we don't know anything.

/G

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On June 25 2012 13:16 Promethelax wrote:
EBWOP
That sounded a lot dumber than I intended. What I meant is: what are the benefits of planning out how to play our cards as Town that outweigh the obvious detriment of Mafia knowing our individual capabilities?

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On June 25 2012 13:35 Oberyn wrote:



1)We'll know what cards mafia have on their hands as well, so if we plan in a consensus what each player should do, they have to follow that and can't do something else

2)We can make those plans in the first place. Like most of us agree to "lynch" player X, so we make a "plan" using all but X's cards (in our hands).

For instance, imagine this 3v1 at Main Phase scenario:

There are players A, B, C and X, X is mafia, A,B and C realize this and decide to kill him.
These are the cards in play and in hand:


Player A:
HP: 5
Board: Mountain
Hand: Lightning Bolt

Player B:
HP: 8
Board: 3 Lands
Hand: A 4/4 monster

Player C:
HP: 4
Board: Some Swamps
Hand: An "Enchanted creature gets +2/+2" card

Player X:
HP: 5
Board: A monster with 3 defense (or whatever the -/X number is), The 10/1 "Mafia KP" beast

If nobody knows each other's cards, then perhaps X would play lighning bolt and target X, which would drop him -3 HP. Then B summons his monster, targets X, but X blocks him with the monster of his. Player C does nothing.

End result:
Player X has 3 less HP, and survives.
He uses his 10/1 KP beast to kill player B.
Next turn C and A don't get any good cards, player X uses his 12/1 KP beast to kill player A.
He is 1v1 with player C and mafia win

What if they plan?

Player A can use Lightning Bolt to target X's monster with 3 defense and destroy it.
Player B summons his 4/4 monster
Player C casts the "Enchanted creature gets +2/+2" enchantment and uses it on B's monster
Player B attacks X and deals him 6 damage

End result:
Player X has 6 less HP, and dies
Town (A, B and C) win.


As you can see, if nobody knows what each other cards are in this case it would be almost impossible to kill player X unless they luckily did all of the above blindly.
But if they know each other's cards in their hands, they can plan to do this and kill X.

These are the situations I'm refering to.

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