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| Nova_Terra Switzerland. June 29 2012 04:20. Posts 1180 | Profile # |
| Thats why i said i wanted to have me attack zealos and Oberyn greymist, I want them both gone really. |
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| Oberyn United Kingdom. June 29 2012 04:28. Posts 379 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 00:28 Zealos wrote:
Ok, so, here's the way I see it. I have been lurky as hell. However, I am not mafia, and I am happy to play cards however the rest of town deems fit. I am waiting to see who attacks each other before I can really get a good idea of who is scum or otherwise.
I might be missing something though, but why are we suddenly creating 2 8/8 creatures for people we can't confirm as town? It seems like it would be pretty much auto lose if they both turn out to be scum.
Read that thread.
Don't post again until you've read the whole thread and ALL the points being discussed about it.
Do it soon.
As soon as you agree with it we start doing it.
Also post your scumreads.
On June 28 2012 22:36 WereBugs-Go wrote:
I don't really like the idea of giving Fulla mana for 2 reasons:
1) It's a onetime only thing. That creature gets sacrificed the next turn no matter what if I understood it correctly, so it's a onetime hit only instead of something "steady" like the two other 8/8 beasts
2) Fulla is still very much on my radar for being a possible scum. Right now I'd say Grey + Zealos are the two guys I'd consider to be the most scummy on their own. I'd consider the read on Grey good, the one on Zealos is decent but not awesome. If we're wrong on him someone like Matt or Fulla might end up being the 2nd mafia as well. Especially considering how Grey said he's willing to attack Zealos. Yeah that could be mafia "bussing" each other because there's not much in play to attack at this phase anyways but it makes me wonder.
About attacking this turn When I said I am willing to attack Greymist I said that under the impression that we've got a spare AEther Spellbomb we could use. As mentioned, if I lose an artifact this turn I can't play something next turn unless I draw a land (or better artifact land ^^) which is kind of a big if. I thought that Oberyin or I am going to use an AEther spellbomb to get rid of that 2/2 creature of Greymist so we can attack safe. This is no longer the case because we need our Spellbombs as backup for the green creatures. I'm at least not willing to use them this turn. And because I already claimed I have a myr enforcer I consider it quite likely that my creature would end up being blocked by the 2/2 thing...
About my Myr Enforcer: No speciality to be found there: It's a 4/4 creature that costs [7 - (number of artifacts in your control)]. As I have 4 artifacts in control that makes it cost 3 in total and I have exactly 3 lands in play without a land on my hand...
It's a myr however, so they get stronger the moment I start drawing cards...
I'm also having a PRETTY nice card on my hand as well, not for dealing damage though. More for safety reasons as a backup for the spellbombs. Can't play it because it needs 4 mana though. I might not even play my myr enforcer if I really draw a land next turn.
Read this:
On June 28 2012 11:41 Oberyn wrote:
@Prome: Would you attack Greymist as well?
If we follow the above plan, you and me will have 1 available mana each.
You can use that mana and tap the Harrier to tap one of Grey's monsters, and I can use AE Spellbomb to return the other to its hand.
Then Mat's goblin, WBG's Hovemyr, S&B's Goblin and Fulla's Lavamancer can attack him directly for 4 damage.
If next turn me and Nova get a direct attack on him with both our 8/8 beasts, we'll deal 16 damage and kill him. (20-4-16=0)
This can be a plan, but of course we can't do that if nobody posts wtf they think of Greymist or if they are willing to attack him or not
On June 29 2012 04:20 Nova_Terra wrote:
Thats why i said i wanted to have me attack zealos and Oberyn greymist, I want them both gone really.
I agree with this.
I say people attack these 2 this turn so they destroy some of their monsters (at least Zealos' ones) |
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| GreYMisT United States. June 29 2012 04:31. Posts 4666 | Profile Blog # |
On June 28 2012 22:09 Promethelax wrote:I'm off to work in half an hour so I don't have much time, in eight hours I'll be back and have a few hours if you want to have a real discussion. The enchantments I have are only helpful to me, they aren't played on a single creature. I can reveal them if you feel that is necessary but I would rather keep them secret until there is a good reason to talk about them. Suffice it to say that they won't be useful in buffing anyone else. I will say though that in my hand I have which could be used to the benefit of town. If I ever draw it I will inform town and we can decide where to go from there. I am happy to use my mana to help summon big creatures for two guys who seem town if we have heard from them before we give them the mana who each of them plan on attacking. GreY and Zealos seem this most scummy to me and Matt is a not to distant third. Nova and Oby who would you personally attack with your trample beast and why? GreY so far you have called Oby a lot of names and made it clear you think anyone who has a scumread on you is an idiot but you told me you had given us your thoughts on Zealos; what you said was that you would be willing to attack him. What are your reads on me, S+B, Oby, Matt or Nova. What has changed about how you see Zealos. Why? to everyone with a creature: who are you going to attack this turn? If you choose to attack me I will not block you. I plan on attacking Zealos if he is lurking and not here he will not be able to block and if he does he will hopefully lose one of his blockers. Next turn when the beasts are active (assuming we follow through on this plan) I will use the Harrier to tap out a creature belonging to one of the two people being attacked by the town beasts so that the target player will receive life damage but retain their creatures which is best case scenario for town.
nothing has changed in how I view zealos.
In all honesty I'll claim my hand to stop this idiocy.
Im suspicious of Obryen, but that might be because he has tried unsuccsessfully to get me killed for the past 2 games. You'll have to wait on my calm thoughts of him.
I am also worried about WBG, and none of you seem to be either. Not only did he lie about his deck not being affinity for artifacts, but he has been hopping on and off the lets kill GreYMisT train. First saying lets do it if with have a spare bomb, and then saying lets just shoot him first. Its not much but its enough to gain my attention.
Anyway, Zealos still hasn't given me a better target. we should really use this KP to kill him, and remove a lurker. Equate it to using a vig shot to eliminate a scummy lurking player in a normal game.
again, if you want me to claim my hand thats fine, nothing there special really. |
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| WereBugs-Go Korea (South). June 29 2012 04:42. Posts 172 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 04:31 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 22:09 Promethelax wrote:I'm off to work in half an hour so I don't have much time, in eight hours I'll be back and have a few hours if you want to have a real discussion. The enchantments I have are only helpful to me, they aren't played on a single creature. I can reveal them if you feel that is necessary but I would rather keep them secret until there is a good reason to talk about them. Suffice it to say that they won't be useful in buffing anyone else. I will say though that in my hand I have which could be used to the benefit of town. If I ever draw it I will inform town and we can decide where to go from there. I am happy to use my mana to help summon big creatures for two guys who seem town if we have heard from them before we give them the mana who each of them plan on attacking. GreY and Zealos seem this most scummy to me and Matt is a not to distant third. Nova and Oby who would you personally attack with your trample beast and why? GreY so far you have called Oby a lot of names and made it clear you think anyone who has a scumread on you is an idiot but you told me you had given us your thoughts on Zealos; what you said was that you would be willing to attack him. What are your reads on me, S+B, Oby, Matt or Nova. What has changed about how you see Zealos. Why? to everyone with a creature: who are you going to attack this turn? If you choose to attack me I will not block you. I plan on attacking Zealos if he is lurking and not here he will not be able to block and if he does he will hopefully lose one of his blockers. Next turn when the beasts are active (assuming we follow through on this plan) I will use the Harrier to tap out a creature belonging to one of the two people being attacked by the town beasts so that the target player will receive life damage but retain their creatures which is best case scenario for town.
[...]I am also worried about WBG, and none of you seem to be either. Not only did he lie about his deck not being affinity for artifacts, but he has been hopping on and off the lets kill GreYMisT train. First saying lets do it if with have a spare bomb, and then saying lets just shoot him first. Its not much but its enough to gain my attention. [...]
Wat? I was the first guy to "fos" you. I was the first guy who said I'd be willing to shoot you.
When asked if I am running affinity I answered:
On June 25 2012 09:24 WereBugs-Go wrote:not exactly. Why?
I said "not exactly". I did not say "no" and I did not say "yes" for a reason. I said "not exactly" because I'm running a myr deck and not an affinity deck in general. That is the only myr I've got that has affinities for artifacts and I said I only have 2 different cards in this deck that have affinities, one of those cards is my Myr Enforcer. How did I lie about this at all? I did not want to claim the deck at this point because I didn't want to give hints at wether or not mafia should shoot early on or later on. Everyone actually reading my posts should have realized that "not exactly" means something like "yeah I have 1 or 2 cards with affinities but I'm not running them in general". |
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| GreYMisT United States. June 29 2012 04:46. Posts 4666 | Profile Blog # |
On June 29 2012 04:42 WereBugs-Go wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 04:31 GreYMisT wrote:
On June 28 2012 22:09 Promethelax wrote:I'm off to work in half an hour so I don't have much time, in eight hours I'll be back and have a few hours if you want to have a real discussion. The enchantments I have are only helpful to me, they aren't played on a single creature. I can reveal them if you feel that is necessary but I would rather keep them secret until there is a good reason to talk about them. Suffice it to say that they won't be useful in buffing anyone else. I will say though that in my hand I have which could be used to the benefit of town. If I ever draw it I will inform town and we can decide where to go from there. I am happy to use my mana to help summon big creatures for two guys who seem town if we have heard from them before we give them the mana who each of them plan on attacking. GreY and Zealos seem this most scummy to me and Matt is a not to distant third. Nova and Oby who would you personally attack with your trample beast and why? GreY so far you have called Oby a lot of names and made it clear you think anyone who has a scumread on you is an idiot but you told me you had given us your thoughts on Zealos; what you said was that you would be willing to attack him. What are your reads on me, S+B, Oby, Matt or Nova. What has changed about how you see Zealos. Why? to everyone with a creature: who are you going to attack this turn? If you choose to attack me I will not block you. I plan on attacking Zealos if he is lurking and not here he will not be able to block and if he does he will hopefully lose one of his blockers. Next turn when the beasts are active (assuming we follow through on this plan) I will use the Harrier to tap out a creature belonging to one of the two people being attacked by the town beasts so that the target player will receive life damage but retain their creatures which is best case scenario for town.
[...]I am also worried about WBG, and none of you seem to be either. Not only did he lie about his deck not being affinity for artifacts, but he has been hopping on and off the lets kill GreYMisT train. First saying lets do it if with have a spare bomb, and then saying lets just shoot him first. Its not much but its enough to gain my attention. [...]
Wat? I was the first guy to "fos" you. I was the first guy who said I'd be willing to shoot you. When asked if I am running affinity I answered:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 09:24 WereBugs-Go wrote:
On June 25 2012 09:01 GreYMisT wrote:
werebugs-go are you running affinity?
not exactly. Why?
I said "not exactly". I did not say "no" and I did not say "yes" for a reason. I said "not exactly" because I'm running a myr deck and not an affinity deck in general. That is the only myr I've got that has affinities for artifacts and I said I only have 2 different cards in this deck that have affinities, one of those cards is my Myr Enforcer. How did I lie about this at all? I did not want to claim the deck at this point because I didn't want to give hints at wether or not mafia should shoot early on or later on. Everyone actually reading my posts should have realized that "not exactly" means something like "yeah I have 1 or 2 cards with affinities but I'm not running them in general".
Usually when you see artifact lands and myr enforcer that spells affinity, my mistake.
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| WereBugs-Go Korea (South). June 29 2012 04:50. Posts 172 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 04:46 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 04:42 WereBugs-Go wrote:
On June 29 2012 04:31 GreYMisT wrote:
On June 28 2012 22:09 Promethelax wrote:I'm off to work in half an hour so I don't have much time, in eight hours I'll be back and have a few hours if you want to have a real discussion. The enchantments I have are only helpful to me, they aren't played on a single creature. I can reveal them if you feel that is necessary but I would rather keep them secret until there is a good reason to talk about them. Suffice it to say that they won't be useful in buffing anyone else. I will say though that in my hand I have which could be used to the benefit of town. If I ever draw it I will inform town and we can decide where to go from there. I am happy to use my mana to help summon big creatures for two guys who seem town if we have heard from them before we give them the mana who each of them plan on attacking. GreY and Zealos seem this most scummy to me and Matt is a not to distant third. Nova and Oby who would you personally attack with your trample beast and why? GreY so far you have called Oby a lot of names and made it clear you think anyone who has a scumread on you is an idiot but you told me you had given us your thoughts on Zealos; what you said was that you would be willing to attack him. What are your reads on me, S+B, Oby, Matt or Nova. What has changed about how you see Zealos. Why? to everyone with a creature: who are you going to attack this turn? If you choose to attack me I will not block you. I plan on attacking Zealos if he is lurking and not here he will not be able to block and if he does he will hopefully lose one of his blockers. Next turn when the beasts are active (assuming we follow through on this plan) I will use the Harrier to tap out a creature belonging to one of the two people being attacked by the town beasts so that the target player will receive life damage but retain their creatures which is best case scenario for town.
[...]I am also worried about WBG, and none of you seem to be either. Not only did he lie about his deck not being affinity for artifacts, but he has been hopping on and off the lets kill GreYMisT train. First saying lets do it if with have a spare bomb, and then saying lets just shoot him first. Its not much but its enough to gain my attention. [...]
Wat? I was the first guy to "fos" you. I was the first guy who said I'd be willing to shoot you. When asked if I am running affinity I answered:
On June 25 2012 09:24 WereBugs-Go wrote:
On June 25 2012 09:01 GreYMisT wrote:
werebugs-go are you running affinity?
not exactly. Why?
I said "not exactly". I did not say "no" and I did not say "yes" for a reason. I said "not exactly" because I'm running a myr deck and not an affinity deck in general. That is the only myr I've got that has affinities for artifacts and I said I only have 2 different cards in this deck that have affinities, one of those cards is my Myr Enforcer. How did I lie about this at all? I did not want to claim the deck at this point because I didn't want to give hints at wether or not mafia should shoot early on or later on. Everyone actually reading my posts should have realized that "not exactly" means something like "yeah I have 1 or 2 cards with affinities but I'm not running them in general".
Usually when you see artifact lands and myr enforcer that spells affinity, my mistake.
Yeah it is an affinity card but the reason it's in my deck is because it's a medium myr and not because of the affinity. I'm not having a shitton of affinity cards. I'm having 2. The 2nd isn't in my deck because of it's affinity either but because of something else.
Again, I said "not exactly" because I don't consider a deck with 2 cards with affinity running affinity, especially not if they're in my deck for completly different reasons. |
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| Mattchew United States. June 29 2012 04:54. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
| Sorry I have been focusing on my last day of school today and the other game im in (Movie). What is needed of me to help the 8/8 plan unless we've switched off that. |
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| Oberyn United Kingdom. June 29 2012 04:55. Posts 379 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 04:31 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 22:09 Promethelax wrote:I'm off to work in half an hour so I don't have much time, in eight hours I'll be back and have a few hours if you want to have a real discussion. The enchantments I have are only helpful to me, they aren't played on a single creature. I can reveal them if you feel that is necessary but I would rather keep them secret until there is a good reason to talk about them. Suffice it to say that they won't be useful in buffing anyone else. I will say though that in my hand I have which could be used to the benefit of town. If I ever draw it I will inform town and we can decide where to go from there. I am happy to use my mana to help summon big creatures for two guys who seem town if we have heard from them before we give them the mana who each of them plan on attacking. GreY and Zealos seem this most scummy to me and Matt is a not to distant third. Nova and Oby who would you personally attack with your trample beast and why? GreY so far you have called Oby a lot of names and made it clear you think anyone who has a scumread on you is an idiot but you told me you had given us your thoughts on Zealos; what you said was that you would be willing to attack him. What are your reads on me, S+B, Oby, Matt or Nova. What has changed about how you see Zealos. Why? to everyone with a creature: who are you going to attack this turn? If you choose to attack me I will not block you. I plan on attacking Zealos if he is lurking and not here he will not be able to block and if he does he will hopefully lose one of his blockers. Next turn when the beasts are active (assuming we follow through on this plan) I will use the Harrier to tap out a creature belonging to one of the two people being attacked by the town beasts so that the target player will receive life damage but retain their creatures which is best case scenario for town.
nothing has changed in how I view zealos. In all honesty I'll claim my hand to stop this idiocy. Im suspicious of Obryen, but that might be because he has tried unsuccsessfully to get me killed for the past 2 games. You'll have to wait on my calm thoughts of him. I am also worried about WBG, and none of you seem to be either. Not only did he lie about his deck not being affinity for artifacts, but he has been hopping on and off the lets kill GreYMisT train. First saying lets do it if with have a spare bomb, and then saying lets just shoot him first. Its not much but its enough to gain my attention. Anyway, Zealos still hasn't given me a better target. we should really use this KP to kill him, and remove a lurker. Equate it to using a vig shot to eliminate a scummy lurking player in a normal game. again, if you want me to claim my hand thats fine, nothing there special really.
How do you want us to think you are town is you just FoS the 2 townies guys in the game?
*sigh*
It seems to me you are not even trying Grey, FoS WBG because he "lied about afinities" and he wants to kill you? That's bullshit if you were really worried about him you could mention other (important) stuff about his play
Equate it to using a vig shot to eliminate a scummy lurking player in a normal game.
No
That's the only way we can kill scum; in normal games we have lynches, but not in this one; so you can't really equate it to a vig shot at all.
if you want me to claim my hand thats fine, nothing there special really.
That would be nice. At least we can even "propose" plans for you to do with the remaining cards you have.
@WBG: Even if we can't use my spellbomb, you still wouldn't attack Grey? Or let others attack him? Prome can tap his 2/2 beast, then he'll only have his 1/1 one.
Hmm...I guess Grey could be bussing Zealos, but I dunno why it seems kind of unlikely.
Attacking Zealos would give us more clues about it though (see if Grey backs off or something).
I'm waiting on Matt's and S&B's thoughts on who they want to attack. |
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| WereBugs-Go Korea (South). June 29 2012 04:58. Posts 172 | Profile # |
| The 2/2 thing is the only reason I don't want to attack Grey. If that thing gets tapped I'm happy to attack him. |
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| Oberyn United Kingdom. June 29 2012 04:59. Posts 379 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 04:54 Mattchew wrote:
Sorry I have been focusing on my last day of school today and the other game im in (Movie). What is needed of me to help the 8/8 plan unless we've switched off that.
I want Zealos to agree with it first so we can make an organized distribution (I already posted one here but no one commented on it).
You can give your mana to Nova if you don't have time or something
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| Mattchew United States. June 29 2012 04:59. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
I don't want to attack Greymist, I think he's posted logically and has been pretty open and honest with the thread. This fear of his deck being OP is only if he's scum which is weak.
I would much rather run at zealos or even fulla or MAYBE WereBugs-Go |
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| Oberyn United Kingdom. June 29 2012 05:02. Posts 379 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 04:59 Mattchew wrote:
I don't want to attack Greymist, I think he's posted logically and has been pretty open and honest with the thread. This fear of his deck being OP is only if he's scum which is weak.
I would much rather run at zealos or even fulla or MAYBE WereBugs-Go
Post more reasoning. This isn't a "simple" vote; this is the only way we can kill scum and we need to be very sure someone is scum to attack him; since you can't "change your vote" in this game ("changing your vote" means wasting lots of turns/mana/creatures).
If you want to attack someone or NOT attack someone you better give us something better than that.
For instance, you can actually tell us why Grey is town even though he hasn't been interested in scumhunting at all until 3 posts ago. |
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| Nova_Terra Switzerland. June 29 2012 05:12. Posts 1180 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 04:59 Mattchew wrote:
I don't want to attack Greymist, I think he's posted logically and has been pretty open and honest with the thread. This fear of his deck being OP is only if he's scum which is weak.
I would much rather run at zealos or even fulla or MAYBE WereBugs-Go
That's why I want to attack zealos |
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| GreYMisT United States. June 29 2012 05:49. Posts 4666 | Profile Blog # |
The thing is obyren, its better than a Vig shot because we can keep attacking with it.
In a normal game we would be wasting a vig shot on a scummy lurker. Not so here.
I'm attacking zealos. I have offered to show you my hand, and I will. Just letting you know I have already told you the only card I have in my deck that can even target other players.
I'll give the gatherer links to be more convienent:
Polluted Delta (Land)
Cultivate (Sorc)
Spined Sliver
Darkheart Sliver
And of course what I have on my field. I really need a forest to become more effective, because getting one will allow me to cultivate and gain the cards needed for the real slivers in my deck. |
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| GreYMisT United States. June 29 2012 05:50. Posts 4666 | Profile Blog # |
| Add on: My deck is obviously Red, Green, Blue, Black, White |
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| Oberyn United Kingdom. June 29 2012 06:36. Posts 379 | Profile # |
Are you guys seriously going to idle until the deadline, which is 30 minutes from now?
Why isn't the mana being distributed to the correct players?
Matt, send all your mana to nova.
Prome, send all your mana to nova.
Zealos, send all your mana to nova
Nova, cast avatar of might and send whatever is left over to us.
We cast clone.
Whoever has remaining mana sends it to Fulla.
We can always redistribute the mana if its too much sent to once place.
If we don't pull this off, I'm going to be real disappointed post game at any of the involved town players. |
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| Oberyn United Kingdom. June 29 2012 06:38. Posts 379 | Profile # |
Main Phases are 48 hours long right? Don't we have 24 more hours?
Although yeah, Zealos just disappeared so let's just start with this and anybody give all the mana you want/have to Nova/us so we can start this |
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| GreYMisT United States. June 29 2012 06:41. Posts 4666 | Profile Blog # |
On June 29 2012 06:38 Oberyn wrote:
Main Phases are 48 hours long right? Don't we have 24 more hours?
Although yeah, Zealos just disappeared so let's just start with this and anybody give all the mana you want/have to Nova/us so we can start this
We had 50 hours a day ago i thnink |
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| Fulla United Kingdom. June 29 2012 06:51. Posts 434 | Profile # |
| Grey, Were and Strong were only ones that tapped all lands instantly without consulting about shared mana. Does that tell us anything? |
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| Fulla United Kingdom. June 29 2012 06:54. Posts 434 | Profile # |
| Zealos is looking pretty useless right now, 3 creatures with 0 power. I don't know what deck he's running or what secret combo he might be hiding. But he's got nothing, so would killing him provide us any clues? |
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