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| Dundron2000 Sweden. June 19 2012 04:00. Posts 746 | Profile # |
| if we get a pvp finals im gonna shit my pants. its not a good tv debut |
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| IdrA United States. June 19 2012 04:00. Posts 11440 | Profile Blog # |
On June 19 2012 03:55 Winsti wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 03:48 baldgye wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:46 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:44 0neder wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:43 Jetaap wrote:
Again... an immortal sentry all in >_<... so stupid and boring
Can't fault the players for exploiting game design in an attempt to win.
Not really exploiting game design... its exploiting Stephano's style. Ling infestor smashes the shit out of sentry immortal all in... Sentry immortal just hard counters Stephano's max roach pushes.
idd, its something I've been doing vs every z for a while, becasue nearly every z on ladder does the stephano max on roaches build... and it was really nice seeing the counter to that being done so well and at such a high level
There is currently no answer as Zerg to a well executed immortal/sentry
thats not really true. its stupidly strong but beatable. the 2nd game stephano cancelled his top left hatch when he didnt have enough larvae to produce lings anyway, and he was on 2 gas so he couldnt make roaches. with the extra larvae of lings or with more spine crawlers he couldve held. he was almost at the tipping point anyway.
zergs dont focus on creep spread enough either, which is very important vs the immortal allin.
and ling infestor or ling bane+drop are build counters to it, they just have other weaknesses. |
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| snoop101 Canada. June 19 2012 04:00. Posts 25 | Profile # |
This correct?
21:00 Semi Final RO4 Set 2 (BO3)
23:15 Grand Final (BO5) - DreamArena Extreme |
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| Gladiator MG United States. June 19 2012 04:00. Posts 178 | Profile # |
| Why don't they just give force fields a decent amount of health like the Entomb ability on Oracles for HotS? |
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| Benjamin99 June 19 2012 04:01. Posts 3809 | Profile # |
On June 19 2012 04:00 neoghaleon55 wrote:
please dimaga...save us from pvp-finals
I think its gonna be hard for Dimaga. Fraer is a monster |
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 BisuDagger United States. June 19 2012 04:01. Posts 5424 | Profile Blog # |
On June 19 2012 03:59 darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 03:58 BisuDagger wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:56 Morphage wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:53 HaXXspetten wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:52 Morphage wrote:Now people are asking for a Protoss nerf, when in fact they should be asking blizzard to remove all these micro-reducing spells such as forcefield, fungal,...it's just really frustrating to play against and to watch Don't get your hopes up though, looking at the new abilities in HotS (abduct, entomb) it doesn't seem that Blizzard feels the same way about this 
the game would be totally imbalanced without them I'm afraid
I know it would take a considerable effort to balance the game when removing these spells, but it would be a step in the good direction...they certainly have the opportunity to review their design decisions with the upcoming expansion and change a lot of things.
What if force fields had health and you just had to target them down first? Kinda like the mineral patch force field in HOTS.
No... unless gateway units are buffed. We live and die by FF's in most cases. 
Easier to balance how quickly a FF can lose health then getting rid of them. It could reduce all damage taken to it by non massive units to 1 so it slowly dies unless you have lots of focus fire.
On June 19 2012 04:00 Gladiator MG wrote:
Why don't they just give force fields a decent amount of health like the Entomb ability on Oracles for HotS?
We already started that discussion Last edit: 2012-06-19 04:02:13 |
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| [17]Purple United Kingdom. June 19 2012 04:01. Posts 1867 | Profile # |
On June 19 2012 04:00 neoghaleon55 wrote:
please dimaga...save us from pvp-finals
I would love a PvP finals, haven't had one for a long time. |
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| Jtom Ireland. June 19 2012 04:01. Posts 1044 | Profile # |
On June 19 2012 04:00 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 03:55 Winsti wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:48 baldgye wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:46 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:44 0neder wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:43 Jetaap wrote:
Again... an immortal sentry all in >_<... so stupid and boring
Can't fault the players for exploiting game design in an attempt to win.
Not really exploiting game design... its exploiting Stephano's style. Ling infestor smashes the shit out of sentry immortal all in... Sentry immortal just hard counters Stephano's max roach pushes.
idd, its something I've been doing vs every z for a while, becasue nearly every z on ladder does the stephano max on roaches build... and it was really nice seeing the counter to that being done so well and at such a high level
There is currently no answer as Zerg to a well executed immortal/sentry
thats not really true. its stupidly strong but beatable. the 2nd game stephano cancelled his top left hatch when he didnt have enough larvae to produce lings anyway, and he was on 2 gas so he couldnt make roaches. with the extra larvae of lings or with more spine crawlers he couldve held. he was almost at the tipping point anyway. zergs dont focus on creep spread enough either, which is very important vs the immortal allin. and ling infestor or ling bane+drop are build counters to it, they just have other weaknesses.
I never thought I'd see the day IdrA would defend Protoss 0_0 |
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| VisonKai United States. June 19 2012 04:01. Posts 387 | Profile # |
On June 19 2012 04:00 Gladiator MG wrote:
Why don't they just give force fields a decent amount of health like the Entomb ability on Oracles for HotS?
Oh god.. PvP would be so horrible.
It would seriously only work if PvP kept the current forcefields and other matchups got the new ones. Which won't happen, obviously. |
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| darkness Bulgaria. June 19 2012 04:01. Posts 2662 | Profile Blog # |
On June 19 2012 04:00 Gladiator MG wrote:
Why don't they just give force fields a decent amount of health like the Entomb ability on Oracles for HotS?
If you do this, protosses will die left and right. 100% You can't just nerf it like that. |
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| theBALLS Singapore. June 19 2012 04:02. Posts 2103 | Profile Blog # |
On June 19 2012 04:00 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 03:55 Winsti wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:48 baldgye wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:46 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:44 0neder wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:43 Jetaap wrote:
Again... an immortal sentry all in >_<... so stupid and boring
Can't fault the players for exploiting game design in an attempt to win.
Not really exploiting game design... its exploiting Stephano's style. Ling infestor smashes the shit out of sentry immortal all in... Sentry immortal just hard counters Stephano's max roach pushes.
idd, its something I've been doing vs every z for a while, becasue nearly every z on ladder does the stephano max on roaches build... and it was really nice seeing the counter to that being done so well and at such a high level
There is currently no answer as Zerg to a well executed immortal/sentry
thats not really true. its stupidly strong but beatable. the 2nd game stephano cancelled his top left hatch when he didnt have enough larvae to produce lings anyway, and he was on 2 gas so he couldnt make roaches. with the extra larvae of lings or with more spine crawlers he couldve held. he was almost at the tipping point anyway. zergs dont focus on creep spread enough either, which is very important vs the immortal allin. and ling infestor or ling bane+drop are build counters to it, they just have other weaknesses.
He has spoken. |
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 GDbushido United States. June 19 2012 04:02. Posts 926 | Profile # |
On June 19 2012 03:59 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 03:58 GDbushido wrote:
the deadmau5 version of this track is so much better
what's the name of it
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| FakeDeath Malaysia. June 19 2012 04:02. Posts 3928 | Profile # |
On June 19 2012 03:59 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 03:53 Frunkis wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:50 Ammanas wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:46 ZAiNs wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:45 Winsti wrote:
This immortal/sentry allin is completely broken, you can't actually win this as Zerg if the toss can throw good FF's.
Ok I'll let all the professional Protosses know so they can win every PvZ ever.
Have you ever heard of a unit called hydralisk? Hard counters that build.
No it doesn't. That's why you never see it.
Yes it does. That was not up to a debate, hydras just crush everything unupgraded GW based. Sentry/immortal, +1 zealots/sentry, you name it. They stop being useful when collosi enter the field though.
Hydras still die to those immortal/sentry pushes if the person knows how to decently FF.
The way to beat those pushes that i have seen is Nestea getting mutas and build mass spines and go for the base trade scenario.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339136
Don't build hydras against immortal/sentry.
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| Bashion Cook Islands. June 19 2012 04:02. Posts 2495 | Profile # |
On June 19 2012 04:01 Jtom wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 04:00 IdrA wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:55 Winsti wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:48 baldgye wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:46 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:44 0neder wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:43 Jetaap wrote:
Again... an immortal sentry all in >_<... so stupid and boring
Can't fault the players for exploiting game design in an attempt to win.
Not really exploiting game design... its exploiting Stephano's style. Ling infestor smashes the shit out of sentry immortal all in... Sentry immortal just hard counters Stephano's max roach pushes.
idd, its something I've been doing vs every z for a while, becasue nearly every z on ladder does the stephano max on roaches build... and it was really nice seeing the counter to that being done so well and at such a high level
There is currently no answer as Zerg to a well executed immortal/sentry
thats not really true. its stupidly strong but beatable. the 2nd game stephano cancelled his top left hatch when he didnt have enough larvae to produce lings anyway, and he was on 2 gas so he couldnt make roaches. with the extra larvae of lings or with more spine crawlers he couldve held. he was almost at the tipping point anyway. zergs dont focus on creep spread enough either, which is very important vs the immortal allin. and ling infestor or ling bane+drop are build counters to it, they just have other weaknesses.
I never thought I'd see the day IdrA would defend Protoss 0_0
The world is indeed going to end this year.
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| Loxley Netherlands. June 19 2012 04:02. Posts 1891 | Profile Blog # |
On June 19 2012 04:00 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 03:55 Winsti wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:48 baldgye wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:46 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:44 0neder wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:43 Jetaap wrote:
Again... an immortal sentry all in >_<... so stupid and boring
Can't fault the players for exploiting game design in an attempt to win.
Not really exploiting game design... its exploiting Stephano's style. Ling infestor smashes the shit out of sentry immortal all in... Sentry immortal just hard counters Stephano's max roach pushes.
idd, its something I've been doing vs every z for a while, becasue nearly every z on ladder does the stephano max on roaches build... and it was really nice seeing the counter to that being done so well and at such a high level
There is currently no answer as Zerg to a well executed immortal/sentry
thats not really true. its stupidly strong but beatable. the 2nd game stephano cancelled his top left hatch when he didnt have enough larvae to produce lings anyway, and he was on 2 gas so he couldnt make roaches. with the extra larvae of lings or with more spine crawlers he couldve held. he was almost at the tipping point anyway. zergs dont focus on creep spread enough either, which is very important vs the immortal allin. and ling infestor or ling bane+drop are build counters to it, they just have other weaknesses.
w00t the LR just made a turn for the better |
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| Integra Sweden. June 19 2012 04:03. Posts 4915 | Profile Blog # |
On June 19 2012 04:00 snoop101 wrote:
This correct?
21:00 Semi Final RO4 Set 2 (BO3)
23:15 Grand Final (BO5) - DreamArena Extreme
according to their schedule, yes, but you never know >_> |
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| DOUDOU Wales. June 19 2012 04:03. Posts 2576 | Profile # |
with stephano out, i'd give this dreamhack to dimaga
then again, with the current trend of this tournament, fraer is probably going to take it :/ |
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| Snusmumriken Sweden. June 19 2012 04:03. Posts 910 | Profile # |
On June 19 2012 04:00 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 03:59 theBALLS wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:58 HaXXspetten wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:58 theBALLS wrote:
Holy shit what's with the song
I've only heard it once before... ...it was in a... *different* setting >.>
a ... club?
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| HaXXspetten Sweden. June 19 2012 04:03. Posts 15716 | Profile Blog # |
On June 19 2012 04:01 Jtom wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 04:00 IdrA wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:55 Winsti wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:48 baldgye wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:46 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:44 0neder wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:43 Jetaap wrote:
Again... an immortal sentry all in >_<... so stupid and boring
Can't fault the players for exploiting game design in an attempt to win.
Not really exploiting game design... its exploiting Stephano's style. Ling infestor smashes the shit out of sentry immortal all in... Sentry immortal just hard counters Stephano's max roach pushes.
idd, its something I've been doing vs every z for a while, becasue nearly every z on ladder does the stephano max on roaches build... and it was really nice seeing the counter to that being done so well and at such a high level
There is currently no answer as Zerg to a well executed immortal/sentry
thats not really true. its stupidly strong but beatable. the 2nd game stephano cancelled his top left hatch when he didnt have enough larvae to produce lings anyway, and he was on 2 gas so he couldnt make roaches. with the extra larvae of lings or with more spine crawlers he couldve held. he was almost at the tipping point anyway. zergs dont focus on creep spread enough either, which is very important vs the immortal allin. and ling infestor or ling bane+drop are build counters to it, they just have other weaknesses.
I never thought I'd see the day IdrA would defend Protoss 0_0
Must be a new year's resolution |
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| Benjamin99 June 19 2012 04:03. Posts 3809 | Profile # |
Stop arguing about balance. Nothing wrong with that build I seen Stephano hold it many times just look´at Redbull lan vs Squirtle. Stephano has been traveling for a month now so it is expected that his skill lvl to drop abit.
Gz to Mana lets move on |
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