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| risk.nuke Sweden. June 25 2012 18:00. Posts 2763 | Profile # |
| Mattchew can you link me games where you've been scum? |
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| prplhz Denmark. June 25 2012 18:03. Posts 3921 | Profile Blog # | |
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| prplhz Denmark. June 25 2012 18:06. Posts 3921 | Profile Blog # | |
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| prplhz Denmark. June 25 2012 18:07. Posts 3921 | Profile Blog # |
| lol I thought I'd written that already but then it wasn't there but then I was just on page 28 |
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| xsksc United Kingdom. June 25 2012 18:21. Posts 1028 | Profile Blog # |
Well, first of all - since my predecessor went AWOL and I don't know what his thought process was, I might as well answer this instead.
On June 24 2012 06:23 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 02:40 vonKlaust II wrote:
Right now though, my best bet would be Mr.Z I think.
I don't really know about Rasta yet, but I'll check his filter out for myself and get back with my thoughts.
But for now:
##Unvote
##Vote: MrZentor
Holding you accountable.
I'll try to keep this short - I don't like rastaban's play on day 1.
His case on risk was pure filler, and this early post definitely stood out to me.
On June 22 2012 16:46 rastaban wrote:
Second, the focus of Marv makes me think of karma after seeing him do it to Gonzaw in our last game together. We need to be careful with tunneling though, when you push someone so hard day1, they will often come across as scum no matter what since the only content you have is them trying to defend themselves against accusations.He could be scum but I just want to say that we need to be cautious, as I feel the case against him is a bit biased. Now his day 1 "meta" is to spam 1 liners so I personally wouldn't mind him getting lynched if there isn't a better candidate but I feel like there is too much discussion on him this early in our day. Remember we have 48 hours, half that time hasn't even passed yet so I don't like the band wagoning on Marv so quickly.
That said I have a hard time getting anything from his filter right now. Some people analyze best when their quarry is under pressure but for me that introduces too many variables so I like to read posts where they aren't defending themselves. So marv would you mind answering the original question ( as leading as it may be) about what you feel are your tells, and second who do you feel is most likely scum?
I don't like this at all.
His opinion is extremely safe - he puts himself in a position where he could safely vote for Marv in the future, but he doesn't actually commit to anything. He doesn't really tell us anything, he just says marv COULD be scum.
He also says he feels there's been "too much" discussion on the subject of Marv, but then he goes on to ask Marv some more questions, and he doesn't try to raise another subject, which completely contradicts what he just said.
What I find more concerning though, is his vote switch to MrZ.
Here he says MrZ is null, and wants to give him more time.
So he continues to push his #1 scum-read, fair enough.
On June 23 2012 03:47 rastaban wrote:
I feel like Nuke hasn't just been a null, like MrZentor, by not contributing, but that his actions further scum agendas. There are legitimate reasons a town player may not contribute day 1, but I can't find legitimate town reasons for Risks actions.
This is his post between that and his vote-switch.
On June 23 2012 23:23 rastaban wrote:
I disagree about risk, he defended himself but didn't actually contribute yet. However I doubt I am going to get enough people to vote for him today.
The reason I wanted to wait on on mr.Z untill tomorrow was because he stayed in, even after subbing out. now it isn't deffinate by any leas but it increases the likelyhood he got a blue or red role. I didn't mention this earlier because if he wasn't scum then it increased his chance of getting hit tonight. However I think his vote on marv after claiming both were probably town is pretty incriminating.
So MrZ has gone from being null to LYNCH HIM, because he changed his mind (changing your mind =/= scum), and the absurd theory that he's scum or a blue because he didn't /out. If he's so sure about his scum-read on risk, he should ABSOLUTELY push it, instead of taking the easy out on MrZ.
For reference, I think this is why MrZ changed his mind.
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On June 23 2012 11:20 Zephirdd wrote:Holy shit. Look at pages 16 and 17. I just solved this game. VE, marv are both scum bussing the F* out of each other. When was the last time this happened? I remember someone saying it was an "OP strategy". Wasn't it Toad/VE doing it? I don't quite remember. Someone said LI, is that it? Either way, if one of them flips scum, I'm sure as hell attacking the other. I thought the initial "attacks" were terrible for both parties, but at this point this all feels fabricated to me.
Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 12:09 MrZentor wrote:I don't know Zephirdd....it got pretty intense, but I do agree that we should kill one of them.  ##Vote: marvellosity
TLDR I don't like Rastaman's day 1 play, I think it's downright scummy.
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| xsksc United Kingdom. June 25 2012 18:37. Posts 1028 | Profile Blog # |
Woops - forgot to vote
##Vote rastaban |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. June 25 2012 19:17. Posts 11240 | Profile # |
well. not gonna make a case on zephirdd then
back to le drawing board. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. June 25 2012 19:20. Posts 11240 | Profile # |
| wait, so prplhz AND Probulous were roleblocked. hrm de hrm |
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| xsksc United Kingdom. June 25 2012 19:32. Posts 1028 | Profile Blog # |
On June 25 2012 19:20 marvellosity wrote:
wait, so prplhz AND Probulous were roleblocked. hrm de hrm
Well, we know there was a jailer, so the other would have been rbed by scum.
Or one of them is lying. |
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| prplhz Denmark. June 25 2012 19:49. Posts 3921 | Profile Blog # |
| If you guys read the thread then it should be pretty obvious that slOosh jailed me last night. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. June 25 2012 20:54. Posts 11240 | Profile # |
On June 25 2012 19:49 prplhz wrote:
If you guys read the thread then it should be pretty obvious that slOosh jailed me last night.
Tried to find what you were talking about, did not. Care to enlighten?
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. June 25 2012 21:06. Posts 11240 | Profile # |
On June 25 2012 08:58 slOosh wrote:
Since there is finally some thread activity going on, I'll be happy to sit down and think carefully what the heck is going on.
kinda irritating we never got to hear any more on this :/ |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. June 25 2012 21:09. Posts 11240 | Profile # |
On June 25 2012 13:12 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 07:05 slOosh wrote:
Finally, something interesting. This also probably means no SK.
Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 07:32 Zephirdd wrote:
Also, the lack of a second kill(assuming the scum KP was blocked) means there is no SK... or he was jailed/roleblocked too.
This is so annoying >< The only two people who mention the removal of SK as a possibility end up dying at the new deadline. The fact is, unless someone claims a night 1 vig shot, there is a SK. If either of these guys were alive, they would be pretty much guaranteed not to be the SK. Fate, why do you laugh at me 
Don't understand this line of reasoning at all. Just seems completely naive. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. June 25 2012 21:19. Posts 11240 | Profile # |
I know you've just replaced in, but this post is one massive regurgitation of what various other people have said in the thread. Safe easy explanations that have already been given. It looks impressive but really there's nothing there.
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On June 25 2012 18:21 xsksc wrote:Well, first of all - since my predecessor went AWOL and I don't know what his thought process was, I might as well answer this instead.
Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 06:23 slOosh wrote:
On June 24 2012 02:40 vonKlaust II wrote:
Right now though, my best bet would be Mr.Z I think.
I don't really know about Rasta yet, but I'll check his filter out for myself and get back with my thoughts.
But for now:
##Unvote
##Vote: MrZentor
Holding you accountable.
I'll try to keep this short - I don't like rastaban's play on day 1. His case on risk was pure filler, and this early post definitely stood out to me.
Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 16:46 rastaban wrote:
Second, the focus of Marv makes me think of karma after seeing him do it to Gonzaw in our last game together. We need to be careful with tunneling though, when you push someone so hard day1, they will often come across as scum no matter what since the only content you have is them trying to defend themselves against accusations.He could be scum but I just want to say that we need to be cautious, as I feel the case against him is a bit biased. Now his day 1 "meta" is to spam 1 liners so I personally wouldn't mind him getting lynched if there isn't a better candidate but I feel like there is too much discussion on him this early in our day. Remember we have 48 hours, half that time hasn't even passed yet so I don't like the band wagoning on Marv so quickly.
That said I have a hard time getting anything from his filter right now. Some people analyze best when their quarry is under pressure but for me that introduces too many variables so I like to read posts where they aren't defending themselves. So marv would you mind answering the original question ( as leading as it may be) about what you feel are your tells, and second who do you feel is most likely scum?
I don't like this at all. His opinion is extremely safe - he puts himself in a position where he could safely vote for Marv in the future, but he doesn't actually commit to anything. He doesn't really tell us anything, he just says marv COULD be scum. He also says he feels there's been "too much" discussion on the subject of Marv, but then he goes on to ask Marv some more questions, and he doesn't try to raise another subject, which completely contradicts what he just said.
What I find more concerning though, is his vote switch to MrZ. Here he says MrZ is null, and wants to give him more time. So he continues to push his #1 scum-read, fair enough.
Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:47 rastaban wrote:
I feel like Nuke hasn't just been a null, like MrZentor, by not contributing, but that his actions further scum agendas. There are legitimate reasons a town player may not contribute day 1, but I can't find legitimate town reasons for Risks actions.
This is his post between that and his vote-switch.
Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 23:23 rastaban wrote:
I disagree about risk, he defended himself but didn't actually contribute yet. However I doubt I am going to get enough people to vote for him today.
The reason I wanted to wait on on mr.Z untill tomorrow was because he stayed in, even after subbing out. now it isn't deffinate by any leas but it increases the likelyhood he got a blue or red role. I didn't mention this earlier because if he wasn't scum then it increased his chance of getting hit tonight. However I think his vote on marv after claiming both were probably town is pretty incriminating.
So MrZ has gone from being null to LYNCH HIM, because he changed his mind (changing your mind =/= scum), and the absurd theory that he's scum or a blue because he didn't /out. If he's so sure about his scum-read on risk, he should ABSOLUTELY push it, instead of taking the easy out on MrZ. For reference, I think this is why MrZ changed his mind. + Show Spoiler +
On June 23 2012 11:20 Zephirdd wrote:Holy shit. Look at pages 16 and 17. I just solved this game. VE, marv are both scum bussing the F* out of each other. When was the last time this happened? I remember someone saying it was an "OP strategy". Wasn't it Toad/VE doing it? I don't quite remember. Someone said LI, is that it? Either way, if one of them flips scum, I'm sure as hell attacking the other. I thought the initial "attacks" were terrible for both parties, but at this point this all feels fabricated to me.
Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 12:09 MrZentor wrote:I don't know Zephirdd....it got pretty intense, but I do agree that we should kill one of them. ##Vote: marvellosity
TLDR I don't like Rastaman's day 1 play, I think it's downright scummy.
On June 24 2012 02:40 vonKlaust II wrote:
Right now though, my best bet would be Mr.Z I think.
I don't really know about Rasta yet, but I'll check his filter out for myself and get back with my thoughts.
But for now:
##Unvote
##Vote: MrZentor
On June 24 2012 02:56 vonKlaust II wrote:
EBWOP: Voted for Marv without really saying why we should do it.
It wasn't you but your predecessor was dodgy. Practically the first time he mentions zentor and it's his 'best bet', votes him, no reasoning given. Later on condemns Zentor for voting me without saying why. Hypocritical play.
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| xsksc United Kingdom. June 25 2012 21:35. Posts 1028 | Profile Blog # |
On June 25 2012 21:19 marvellosity wrote:I know you've just replaced in, but this post is one massive regurgitation of what various other people have said in the thread. Safe easy explanations that have already been given. It looks impressive but really there's nothing there. + Show Spoiler +
On June 25 2012 18:21 xsksc wrote:Well, first of all - since my predecessor went AWOL and I don't know what his thought process was, I might as well answer this instead.
Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 06:23 slOosh wrote:
On June 24 2012 02:40 vonKlaust II wrote:
Right now though, my best bet would be Mr.Z I think.
I don't really know about Rasta yet, but I'll check his filter out for myself and get back with my thoughts.
But for now:
##Unvote
##Vote: MrZentor
Holding you accountable.
I'll try to keep this short - I don't like rastaban's play on day 1. His case on risk was pure filler, and this early post definitely stood out to me.
Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 16:46 rastaban wrote:
Second, the focus of Marv makes me think of karma after seeing him do it to Gonzaw in our last game together. We need to be careful with tunneling though, when you push someone so hard day1, they will often come across as scum no matter what since the only content you have is them trying to defend themselves against accusations.He could be scum but I just want to say that we need to be cautious, as I feel the case against him is a bit biased. Now his day 1 "meta" is to spam 1 liners so I personally wouldn't mind him getting lynched if there isn't a better candidate but I feel like there is too much discussion on him this early in our day. Remember we have 48 hours, half that time hasn't even passed yet so I don't like the band wagoning on Marv so quickly.
That said I have a hard time getting anything from his filter right now. Some people analyze best when their quarry is under pressure but for me that introduces too many variables so I like to read posts where they aren't defending themselves. So marv would you mind answering the original question ( as leading as it may be) about what you feel are your tells, and second who do you feel is most likely scum?
I don't like this at all. His opinion is extremely safe - he puts himself in a position where he could safely vote for Marv in the future, but he doesn't actually commit to anything. He doesn't really tell us anything, he just says marv COULD be scum. He also says he feels there's been "too much" discussion on the subject of Marv, but then he goes on to ask Marv some more questions, and he doesn't try to raise another subject, which completely contradicts what he just said.
What I find more concerning though, is his vote switch to MrZ. Here he says MrZ is null, and wants to give him more time. So he continues to push his #1 scum-read, fair enough.
Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:47 rastaban wrote:
I feel like Nuke hasn't just been a null, like MrZentor, by not contributing, but that his actions further scum agendas. There are legitimate reasons a town player may not contribute day 1, but I can't find legitimate town reasons for Risks actions.
This is his post between that and his vote-switch.
Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 23:23 rastaban wrote:
I disagree about risk, he defended himself but didn't actually contribute yet. However I doubt I am going to get enough people to vote for him today.
The reason I wanted to wait on on mr.Z untill tomorrow was because he stayed in, even after subbing out. now it isn't deffinate by any leas but it increases the likelyhood he got a blue or red role. I didn't mention this earlier because if he wasn't scum then it increased his chance of getting hit tonight. However I think his vote on marv after claiming both were probably town is pretty incriminating.
So MrZ has gone from being null to LYNCH HIM, because he changed his mind (changing your mind =/= scum), and the absurd theory that he's scum or a blue because he didn't /out. If he's so sure about his scum-read on risk, he should ABSOLUTELY push it, instead of taking the easy out on MrZ. For reference, I think this is why MrZ changed his mind. + Show Spoiler +
On June 23 2012 11:20 Zephirdd wrote:Holy shit. Look at pages 16 and 17. I just solved this game. VE, marv are both scum bussing the F* out of each other. When was the last time this happened? I remember someone saying it was an "OP strategy". Wasn't it Toad/VE doing it? I don't quite remember. Someone said LI, is that it? Either way, if one of them flips scum, I'm sure as hell attacking the other. I thought the initial "attacks" were terrible for both parties, but at this point this all feels fabricated to me.
Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 12:09 MrZentor wrote:I don't know Zephirdd....it got pretty intense, but I do agree that we should kill one of them. ##Vote: marvellosity
TLDR I don't like Rastaman's day 1 play, I think it's downright scummy.
Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 02:40 vonKlaust II wrote:
Right now though, my best bet would be Mr.Z I think.
I don't really know about Rasta yet, but I'll check his filter out for myself and get back with my thoughts.
But for now:
##Unvote
##Vote: MrZentor
Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 02:56 vonKlaust II wrote:
EBWOP: Voted for Marv without really saying why we should do it.
It wasn't you but your predecessor was dodgy. Practically the first time he mentions zentor and it's his 'best bet', votes him, no reasoning given. Later on condemns Zentor for voting me without saying why. Hypocritical play.
My predecessor promised to filter Rasta and give an opinnion but he didn't do it, so it's the first thing I did after reading the thread.
Call it regurtitated nonsense or whatever you want, but I'm going over posts that have already been discussed to death. What sort of new content are you expecting? Would you prefer it if I made shit up/lied?
The honourable von Klaust II promised an opinnion, I gave it. Take it or leave it.
I obviously disagree with my predecessor regarding your last point but there's nothing I can do about it except play better and prove I'm town. |
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| xsksc United Kingdom. June 25 2012 21:40. Posts 1028 | Profile Blog # |
Marv, what made VE back off you?
In one post he said you were scummy as fuck, and then later he switches his vote to MrZ, maybe I'm blind, but I couldn't find a post saying that he'd changed his opinnion about you. |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. June 25 2012 21:40. Posts 11240 | Profile # |
Indeed. I've replaced in to games a few times, always as town, and never felt the need to justify my predecessor's play or fulfil promises on what they did. I understand you're not me though.
Given you're around. What do you make of me? as slOosh died, what do you think of Probulous? |
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| marvellosity United Kingdom. June 25 2012 21:41. Posts 11240 | Profile # |
| xsksc: he was being pragmatic i think, as i wasn't getting lynched. I don't think he's done with me. |
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| xsksc United Kingdom. June 25 2012 22:17. Posts 1028 | Profile Blog # |
On June 25 2012 21:40 marvellosity wrote:
Indeed. I've replaced in to games a few times, always as town, and never felt the need to justify my predecessor's play or fulfil promises on what they did. I understand you're not me though.
Given you're around. What do you make of me? as slOosh died, what do you think of Probulous?
I felt it was something that should be cleared up after slOosh called him out on it before he died.
Initial impression after reading you - I think that you're town.
On June 22 2012 23:05 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 23:03 vonKlaust II wrote:
On June 22 2012 09:50 marvellosity wrote:
I've quite clearly stated I am not, stop it. The similar thing, VE, is that I wasn't afraid of saying something that was scummy in that game. In this game, unless you underestimate me which I think you do not, you should be aware that I know making a sidestep to Mattchew's question could be viewed scummily, and I'd avoid it like the fucking plague if I were scum.
1. You agree with the statement that sidestepping Mattchews question could be viewed as scummy. 2. You would avoid doing that as scum i.e. it would point to you being scum. You agree both that it would seem scummy and that it actually is scummy. Still you did it. It doesn't make point from any perspecive and makes me think you're just trying to fill holes you made with bad play.
I didn't make a conscious decision to go 'lol gonna appear scummy now'. I read Matt's post and made a reply to it without giving it that much thought. The point being I give every post I make as scum due thought.
Again, I'm gonna have to disagree with my predecessor here.
People, including him, were pointing out that the way that you answered the question, and the argument following it, didn't make sense for a townie.
However, it really doesn't make sense for scum either. Any remotely decent scum player is going to put 10x the thought into how they answer questions regarding their alignment and would never have answered that way, it draws wayyyyy too much negative attention, for no gain.
I don't think you handled it the best way, but I think people need to realise that a bad play does not equal scum.
Probulous - after a quick glance at his filter, I'm not sure, null I guess.
I would say his posts "look" town, but I thought the exact same thing at the start of C9++, where he was scum, so that's irellevent.
Off-topic.
On June 25 2012 13:12 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 07:05 slOosh wrote:
Finally, something interesting. This also probably means no SK.
Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 07:32 Zephirdd wrote:
Also, the lack of a second kill(assuming the scum KP was blocked) means there is no SK... or he was jailed/roleblocked too.
This is so annoying >< The only two people who mention the removal of SK as a possibility end up dying at the new deadline. The fact is, unless someone claims a night 1 vig shot, there is a SK. If either of these guys were alive, they would be pretty much guaranteed not to be the SK. Fate, why do you laugh at me
I do not understand this post at all, can someone enlighten me why on earth mentioning "no SK" would mean they would be guarenteed to not be it? Am I missing the point? |
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| xsksc United Kingdom. June 25 2012 22:20. Posts 1028 | Profile Blog # |
EBWOP, meant to add this as well.
VE - do you still have strong feelings about Marv? Has your opinnion about him changed? Are you planning to push his lynch today? |
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