| TheWarbler United States. June 20 2012 23:01. Posts 1241 | Profile Blog # |
I was reading nadota.com and came across one of the admin's from Nadota discussing valves in game spectating and revenue. I think it is a interesting and read etc... Heres a piece of it.
"Valve has shown amazing support for Dota 2 as an Esport, so this new update doesn't surprise me. Valve believes that players, managers, and tournament organizers should be able to earn a living from their involvement in Esports. To help with this, they have added a revenue stream within the game itself. People have to pay to watch your game." - Spit-wad
http://nadota.com/showthread.php?9642-That-s-Dirty-Money
I am not sure what to think about it in all honesty, atleast not right this second.
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| anonymitylol Canada. June 20 2012 23:09. Posts 1741 | Profile # |
http://blog.dota2.com/2012/06/did-you-see-that-kill/
It's just going to be tickets to watch tournament games, and have access to the replays in the Dota 2 client. Most of those tournaments will also have free streams, the same as it is right now.
I think it's awesome having options, I'll be buying a ticket for The Defense 2 for sure. |
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| Qbek Poland. June 20 2012 23:10. Posts 4252 | Profile # |
| Depends on the price and % they take really. A one day tourny can't charge the same as 2 months long Defense so we'll see how it works |
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| SKC Brazil. June 20 2012 23:19. Posts 3249 | Profile # |
The said they don't want to replace the regular streams, just offer a "premium" option that offers you more freedom and replays, while helping tournaments sustain themselfs. If you trust Valve will keep this model, there's nothing wrong with it. I even would say I like it.
Key wrong word in the post is "People have to pay to watch your game". It's not at that point, at least for now.
You have to consider that viewers inside the client don't generate revenue for the broadcaster the same regular streams do, so it's actually worse for the tournament to have it up in the client. That's not a good model. Last edit: 2012-06-20 23:22:46 |
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| Torte de Lini Canada. June 20 2012 23:19. Posts 27006 | Profile Blog # |
| I really like Valve's reach to extend E-Sports, they're fully into it and really want to make it something new and fully-fledged. |
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| Judicator United States. June 20 2012 23:20. Posts 5712 | Profile Blog # |
Basically Valve is the only publisher with the resources to do this right now courtesy of releasing Steam way back (when the majority of consumers could not utilize it). They want control over the third party streaming and basically provide everything that Battle.net 2.0 should have been able to provide to their fanbase. Not so much a dig at Blizzard/Bnet but rather how on top of things that Valve is. You got EA and other companies releasing their online services almost a full decade after Steam's release that have yet to do any of these things.
It's good idea that obviously needs to be improved upon; the most obvious problem is how exclusive these things will be (think Tobi and other casters).
For those of you who didn't play Dota 1, there were a good number of spectators using the god forsaken POS Garena client to watch live games, so there is little doubt in my mind that this will be put to good use by the community. |
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 how2TL June 20 2012 23:23. Posts 1063 | Profile # |
| I think it's fine. There are some people out there who never want to pay for anything and act outraged every time they might have to pay a few bucks for something they'll almost definitely enjoy, just because it's on the internet. Valve can just ignore those people. They're not customers. |
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| EmilA Denmark. June 20 2012 23:37. Posts 2737 | Profile # |
Can't see that happening really. Dota2 isn't SC2, replays have little value. Stream music and especially commentary is also a big part of the streaming - how will we get this through the ingame client?
If valve wanted to make money they'd let us buy "no eastern europeans in mm for 7 days" tokens from their store and use it to fund automated daily tournaments  |
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| Qbek Poland. June 20 2012 23:38. Posts 4252 | Profile # |
| Also notice how it perfectly fits the though process of hardcore viewers being able to pay for a more "hardcore" way of viewing. Casuals are okay with viewing streams but hardcore guys will happily pay small sums for ability to watch the game the way they want |
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| ilovelings Argentina. June 20 2012 23:38. Posts 636 | Profile # |
| We are not supposed to be customers. We are supposed to be supporters . |
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| SirMilford Australia. June 20 2012 23:42. Posts 859 | Profile Blog # |
On June 20 2012 23:37 EmilA wrote:Can't see that happening really. Dota2 isn't SC2, replays have little value. Stream music and especially commentary is also a big part of the streaming - how will we get this through the ingame client? If valve wanted to make money they'd let us buy "no eastern europeans in mm for 7 days" tokens from their store and use it to fund automated daily tournaments
Ye you completely missed the point here.
The in game client actually has the voice of the casters. You can pay to watch it however you want, with/without voice if you so choose. And replays are pretty important if you are attempting to learn a hero at a higher level than you are currently at.
You probably should have read the blog post by valve first haha |
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| 5-s United States. June 21 2012 00:06. Posts 880 | Profile # |
| Yea - replays are EXTREMELY important if you're trying to be competitive. Studying your opponents and other top competitors is a huge part of the game. |
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| ilovelings Argentina. June 21 2012 00:13. Posts 636 | Profile # |
On June 20 2012 23:42 SirMilford wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 23:37 EmilA wrote:Can't see that happening really. Dota2 isn't SC2, replays have little value. Stream music and especially commentary is also a big part of the streaming - how will we get this through the ingame client? If valve wanted to make money they'd let us buy "no eastern europeans in mm for 7 days" tokens from their store and use it to fund automated daily tournaments
Ye you completely missed the point here. The in game client actually has the voice of the casters. You can pay to watch it however you want, with/without voice if you so choose. And replays are pretty important if you are attempting to learn a hero at a higher level than you are currently at. You probably should have read the blog post by valve first haha
watching replays won't teach you how to play a hero better. It will teach you what to do in certain situations or it will teach you a few tricks but only playing the game will make you better. |
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| ZaaaaaM Netherlands. June 21 2012 00:26. Posts 1702 | Profile # |
On June 21 2012 00:13 ilovelings wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 23:42 SirMilford wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:37 EmilA wrote:Can't see that happening really. Dota2 isn't SC2, replays have little value. Stream music and especially commentary is also a big part of the streaming - how will we get this through the ingame client? If valve wanted to make money they'd let us buy "no eastern europeans in mm for 7 days" tokens from their store and use it to fund automated daily tournaments
Ye you completely missed the point here. The in game client actually has the voice of the casters. You can pay to watch it however you want, with/without voice if you so choose. And replays are pretty important if you are attempting to learn a hero at a higher level than you are currently at. You probably should have read the blog post by valve first haha
watching replays won't teach you how to play a hero better. It will teach you what to do in certain situations or it will teach you a few tricks but only playing the game will make you better.
Since when is learning what to do in certain situations not "becoming better"? When you're at a decent level, first person views help a lot. |
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| TheWarbler United States. June 21 2012 00:38. Posts 1241 | Profile Blog # |
On June 21 2012 00:13 ilovelings wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 23:42 SirMilford wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:37 EmilA wrote:Can't see that happening really. Dota2 isn't SC2, replays have little value. Stream music and especially commentary is also a big part of the streaming - how will we get this through the ingame client? If valve wanted to make money they'd let us buy "no eastern europeans in mm for 7 days" tokens from their store and use it to fund automated daily tournaments
Ye you completely missed the point here. The in game client actually has the voice of the casters. You can pay to watch it however you want, with/without voice if you so choose. And replays are pretty important if you are attempting to learn a hero at a higher level than you are currently at. You probably should have read the blog post by valve first haha
watching replays won't teach you how to play a hero better. It will teach you what to do in certain situations or it will teach you a few tricks but only playing the game will make you better.
Watching replay will teach you how to play a hero. Postitiong, item and skill wise. |
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| Heh_ Singapore. June 21 2012 00:46. Posts 2245 | Profile Blog # |
On June 21 2012 00:13 ilovelings wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 23:42 SirMilford wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:37 EmilA wrote:Can't see that happening really. Dota2 isn't SC2, replays have little value. Stream music and especially commentary is also a big part of the streaming - how will we get this through the ingame client? If valve wanted to make money they'd let us buy "no eastern europeans in mm for 7 days" tokens from their store and use it to fund automated daily tournaments
Ye you completely missed the point here. The in game client actually has the voice of the casters. You can pay to watch it however you want, with/without voice if you so choose. And replays are pretty important if you are attempting to learn a hero at a higher level than you are currently at. You probably should have read the blog post by valve first haha
watching replays won't teach you how to play a hero better. It will teach you what to do in certain situations or it will teach you a few tricks but only playing the game will make you better.
Doesn't the same thing hold true for sc2 replays?? |
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| Shunjal United States. June 21 2012 00:56. Posts 451 | Profile # |
| Would consider the games more for entertainment than learning. |
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 Kipsate Netherlands. June 21 2012 00:59. Posts 17966 | Profile Blog # |
| You can analyze replays if you want, question each of the decisions that the pros make, replays are definitely of value. |
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| NexUmbra Scotland. June 21 2012 01:01. Posts 2877 | Profile Blog # |
| Say 1000 people decided to watch in game rather than on a stream, that hurts the tournament as they set it up and then valve would just let people watch it for free. This way the tournament organizers still get a cut of the money even if the people decide not to watch the official streams. |
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| ilovelings Argentina. June 21 2012 01:01. Posts 636 | Profile # |
Watching replay will teach you how to play a hero. Postitiong, item and skill wise.
Nothing you can't learn from your own mistakes.
Why would I copy someone elses build when I can come up with my own? |
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