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| aMies United States. June 23 2012 00:29. Posts 74 | Profile # |
Adam "pandabear" Briggs has released the first piece of his new editorial series called "The Agora" on compLexityGaming.com. In this article, player salaries are examined using statistics available around the net.
Below is an excerpt from the piece:
What is The Agora?
The agora (Ancient Greek: Ἀγορά, Agorá) was a central spot in ancient Greek city-states. The literal meaning of the word is "gathering place" or "assembly". The agora was the center of athletic, artistic, spiritual and political life of the city. In this case, "The Agora" will be a weekly editorial devoted to discussing hot topics in the world of eSports. The article is meant to stimulate discussion and any input towards the topic is encouraged.
Introduction
In the eSports world, the topic of player salaries has always been a controversial if not confidential discussion. For those of us on the outside, we have always speculated and wondered how much our favorite players are being paid. In fact, eSports giants such as Evil Geniuses and Quantic Gaming, both whom have acquired notable StarCraft 2 players, are rumored to pay their players large salaries. When Chris ‘HuK’ Loranger was signed to Evil Geniuses, many websites believed his salary was just under six figures. 1 Furthermore, in an episode of “The Executives”, EG CEO Alex Garfield stated he “wanted his players to have the best salaries in North America.” 2 There therefore seems to be some credibility and speculation towards high player earnings. This article details my own path towards these speculated player earnings, and outlines the potential figures of a StarCraft 2 player.
Check out the full article here.
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| jabberwockzerg United States. June 23 2012 00:32. Posts 195 | Profile Blog # |
| This seems kind of dickish to me. I don't know. Seems like this kind of thing should be private. |
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| HeeroFX United States. June 23 2012 00:36. Posts 1915 | Profile Blog # |
On June 23 2012 00:32 jackphelps wrote:
This seems kind of dickish to me. I don't know. Seems like this kind of thing should be private.
in real sports they usually announce how much a player is signed for. |
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| Silver777 United States. June 23 2012 00:37. Posts 333 | Profile # |
On June 23 2012 00:32 jackphelps wrote:
This seems kind of dickish to me. I don't know. Seems like this kind of thing should be private.
He used completely public numbers, I don't see how anything like this could be dickish. |
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| Trowa127 United Kingdom. June 23 2012 00:40. Posts 1159 | Profile # |
On June 23 2012 00:32 jackphelps wrote:
This seems kind of dickish to me. I don't know. Seems like this kind of thing should be private.
Football teams release transfer fee's and salaries. Seems a bit dickish to me. Right?
I do think that the hype around EG's salaries isn't true though. I really can't see EG paying HuK 6 figures, but I obviously could be 100% wrong.Last edit: 2012-06-23 00:41:12 |
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| GreyishTommy Switzerland. June 23 2012 00:40. Posts 140 | Profile # |
On June 23 2012 00:37 Silver777 wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 00:32 jackphelps wrote:
This seems kind of dickish to me. I don't know. Seems like this kind of thing should be private.
He used completely public numbers, I don't see how anything like this could be dickish.
Yeah he used numbers from rumors and special shows, plus tl.net and sc2earnings numbers, everything is already publicLast edit: 2012-06-23 00:41:22 |
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| Jinsho United Kingdom. June 23 2012 00:41. Posts 3023 | Profile # |
| He's just speculating. He has nothing. |
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| Linwelin Ireland. June 23 2012 00:42. Posts 4199 | Profile # |
On June 23 2012 00:41 Jinsho wrote:
He's just speculating. He has nothing.
Which is why the name of this editorial is "speculating sc2 player earnings" and not "this is how much players make" |
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| Zorkmid Canada. June 23 2012 00:45. Posts 3858 | Profile Blog # |
| I'm a public employee and my salary is published, it sucks ass. Private companies have no reason to report payroll, and shouldn't until there is some governing body and players union overseeing progaming. Last edit: 2012-06-23 00:46:07 |
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 Liquid`Jinro Sweden. June 23 2012 00:47. Posts 32587 | Profile Blog # |
On June 23 2012 00:40 Trowa127 wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 00:32 jackphelps wrote:
This seems kind of dickish to me. I don't know. Seems like this kind of thing should be private.
Football teams release transfer fee's and salaries. Seems a bit dickish to me. Right? I do think that the hype around EG's salaries isn't true though. I really can't see EG paying HuK 6 figures, but I obviously could be 100% wrong.
Alexander Garfield is one of the eSports industry's brightest minds and most accomplished individuals. After originally entering the professional gaming space more than a decade ago, his work with Evil Geniuses began in 2005, when the team consisted of 5 unsalaried players. Now, in 2012, Evil Geniuses is both the world's premier professional gaming team - with more than 25 salaried players, some of whose base salaries eclipse six figures - and a leading new media agency, with a diverse portfolio of clients such as Intel and Monster Energy. Additionally, Alexander has spearheaded multiple efforts to create a more cohesive industry environment, including the organization and facilitation of group discussions among more than 30 professional teams, as well as the mediation of numerous contract and prize money disputes among professional teams, players, and tournaments.
http://www.sloansportsconference.com/?p=5802
Chris went to South Korea to play StarCraft II in the world's most competitive gaming environment, landed a contract which is reportedly worth six figures a year and came back to win one of the hardest tournaments in the world. He is the prime example of what following your dreams can lead to. But like everything with Chris, things are more complex than that.
http://steelseries.com/gaming/teams/evil-geniuses/player-interviews/the-incredible-huk
All that being said, I think player salaries should be private if the affected parties so wish, I dont think it's something anyone has a right to see (I think lots of people wouldn't mind sharing it tho).Last edit: 2012-06-23 00:48:46 |
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| Hardigan Switzerland. June 23 2012 00:47. Posts 1297 | Profile # |
| The teams don't want that the salaries of their players will be published. Most of the top teams think that way, as it can make them look bad/inferior to other Teams or whatever. Why not just leave that this way? |
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| Schelim Austria. June 23 2012 00:51. Posts 4036 | Profile # |
On June 23 2012 00:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 00:40 Trowa127 wrote:
On June 23 2012 00:32 jackphelps wrote:
This seems kind of dickish to me. I don't know. Seems like this kind of thing should be private.
Football teams release transfer fee's and salaries. Seems a bit dickish to me. Right? I do think that the hype around EG's salaries isn't true though. I really can't see EG paying HuK 6 figures, but I obviously could be 100% wrong.
Show nested quote +Alexander Garfield is one of the eSports industry's brightest minds and most accomplished individuals. After originally entering the professional gaming space more than a decade ago, his work with Evil Geniuses began in 2005, when the team consisted of 5 unsalaried players. Now, in 2012, Evil Geniuses is both the world's premier professional gaming team - with more than 25 salaried players, some of whose base salaries eclipse six figures - and a leading new media agency, with a diverse portfolio of clients such as Intel and Monster Energy. Additionally, Alexander has spearheaded multiple efforts to create a more cohesive industry environment, including the organization and facilitation of group discussions among more than 30 professional teams, as well as the mediation of numerous contract and prize money disputes among professional teams, players, and tournaments.
Show nested quote +Chris went to South Korea to play StarCraft II in the world's most competitive gaming environment, landed a contract which is reportedly worth six figures a year and came back to win one of the hardest tournaments in the world. He is the prime example of what following your dreams can lead to. But like everything with Chris, things are more complex than that.
All that being said, I think player salaries should be private if the affected parties so wish, I dont think it's something anyone has a right to see (I think lots of people wouldn't mind sharing it tho).
so with that being said, huk is indeed being paid six figures? i mean, if anybody outside of EG would know it's probably you. |
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| TheLastTemplar United States. June 23 2012 00:54. Posts 334 | Profile # |
| I agree heavily Jinro. They should be private not only for the player but also for the team's sake as well. I just not anything our world is ready for yet imo. |
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| mikkmagro Malta. June 23 2012 00:58. Posts 871 | Profile # |
Not all teams are very discreet about it.
A Millenium manager had said on a French stream once, how much Stephano makes, and the Fnatic CS team was interviewed in some magazine, and they had said how much they earned just through salaries. |
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| Ace.Xile United States. June 23 2012 01:00. Posts 286 | Profile # |
On June 23 2012 00:54 TheLastTemplar wrote:
I agree heavily Jinro. They should be private not only for the player but also for the team's sake as well. I just not anything our world is ready for yet imo.
I don't see this point of view, people want starcraft to be a legitimate business, almost any legitimate sports scene you can find the salary of just about anyone and how much they make a year, why should this be different? |
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| Koshi Belgium. June 23 2012 01:01. Posts 6793 | Profile Blog # |
Hot Controversial topic as first article. Also, I have read the content of this article already 15 times on TL. Nothing surprising, and very easily found. No names, no interviews and the given numbers are very circumstantial.
Not too impressed by this, not at all tbh.
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 TheFrankOne United States. June 23 2012 01:06. Posts 666 | Profile # |
On June 23 2012 00:32 jackphelps wrote:
This seems kind of dickish to me. I don't know. Seems like this kind of thing should be private.
Except, from an economic standpoint, if the players also do not discuss it amongst themselves the secrecy creates a lopsided relationship. The teams will be able to offer salaries more based on their budgets than the real market value of a player because markets don't function properly when no one involved knows what's really going on inside them. The player will also have a weak negotiating position due to the lack of information for industry comparisons. In most industries you can look up BLS statistics and such. Not here, unless the BLS are far more thorough than I would have guessed.
That said, I am personally pretty curious, there have been several incidents of ESPORTS DRAMA caused by the lack of financial transparency from anyone about anything. Cloud's VLOG, the MLG Pay-Per-View, Day9's now pretty dated request for donations, and the general rampant speculation about player earnings and/or tournament profitability (like this article) are all constant sources of drama that we really would be better off without. I feel like transparency is just better than secrecy for industries as a whole, but I also understand why each company like to keep things secret.
That add income for Destiny seems really high to me. Anyone else get that feeling? |
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| Bippzy United States. June 23 2012 01:16. Posts 1335 | Profile Blog # |
On June 23 2012 01:01 Koshi wrote:
Hot Controversial topic as first article. Also, I have read the content of this article already 15 times on TL. Nothing surprising, and very easily found. No names, no interviews and the given numbers are very circumstantial.
Not too impressed by this, not at all tbh.
Yeah, what Jinro posted is a wayyyy better article. |
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| selboN United States. June 23 2012 01:17. Posts 2480 | Profile Blog # |
On June 23 2012 00:36 HeeroFX wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 00:32 jackphelps wrote:
This seems kind of dickish to me. I don't know. Seems like this kind of thing should be private.
in real sports they usually announce how much a player is signed for.
announce? It's public information. Go mosey over to nba.com and look up the players stats, their salaries won't be more than a page away. |
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| TheRCanadian Canada. June 23 2012 01:32. Posts 4 | Profile # |
| Great article! As much as it is private, it's nice to see a general area of what they are earning. |
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