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| andrewlt United States. June 26 2012 06:15. Posts 3112 | Profile # |
| If you don't like the item grind, you won't find it fun. Inferno's difficulty is designed to remove as much player skill as possible and turn fights into a straight up gear check. Most of us that do still play do it because we like the item grind. |
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| Latty Germany. June 26 2012 06:39. Posts 545 | Profile # |
| Try to beat the Game on Hardcore, thats the only challenge the game offers. Inferno difficulty is super ridicoulous at times but i rather play the game the hardest way possible or i dont play it at all. item farming is part of diablo, if that bothers you then quit |
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| RoyGBiv_13 United States. June 26 2012 06:50. Posts 581 | Profile Blog # |
On June 24 2012 05:03 Torte de Lini wrote:
Play Hardcore
Its the only true challenge.
That adrenaline rush, oh god.
After each of my HC chars die, depending on how/why, I may have to take a few days off from my computer completely. Worth it. |
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| Whalecore Norway. June 26 2012 06:58. Posts 1083 | Profile # |
No, Inferno is not fun.
It is challenging, but not in a good way. You have to rely on staying at max-range all the time, and hoping you don't meet monsters that can close the gap and one shot you. There is very little reward for being skilled. Most abilities are useless in Inferno, and the few abilities that are viable are only viable with certain runes. There is very little variation in character builds.
If you want to have challenging fun in D3 I recommend Hardcore, it forces you to play in a certain way, and it's a lot more exciting and challenging than normal. |
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| Xiron Germany. June 26 2012 07:01. Posts 1153 | Profile # |
On June 26 2012 06:58 Whalecore wrote:
No, Inferno is not fun.
It is challenging, but not in a good way. You have to rely on staying at max-range all the time, and hoping you don't meet monsters that can close the gap and one shot you. There is very little reward for being skilled. Most abilities are useless in Inferno, and the few abilities that are viable are only viable with certain runes. There is very little variation in character builds.
If you want to have challenging fun in D3 I recommend Hardcore, it forces you to play in a certain way, and it's a lot more exciting and challenging than normal.
I never died while leveling a dh unless I did stupid stuff like chasing goblins carelessly. Is it really more fun on hardcore? I don't really see any risk up until inferno. And inferno is just a stupid farm clusterfuck.Last edit: 2012-06-26 07:02:12 |
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| Lunchador United States. June 26 2012 07:03. Posts 682 | Profile # |
| Nightmare and hell are appropriately challenging and are very fun to play through. Inferno act 2 and beyond... heh, well if you've got nothing better to do, by all means go for it! Last edit: 2012-06-26 07:06:08 |
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| nam nam Sweden. June 26 2012 07:09. Posts 4537 | Profile # |
| I only feel more pigeon holed the further I got with my witch doctor. I enjoyed nightmare much more than hell and act 1 inferno because you had a lot more choices in how to build the character. I would play hardcore though if I had better internet. |
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| Whalecore Norway. June 26 2012 07:11. Posts 1083 | Profile # |
On June 26 2012 07:01 Xiron wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 06:58 Whalecore wrote:
No, Inferno is not fun.
It is challenging, but not in a good way. You have to rely on staying at max-range all the time, and hoping you don't meet monsters that can close the gap and one shot you. There is very little reward for being skilled. Most abilities are useless in Inferno, and the few abilities that are viable are only viable with certain runes. There is very little variation in character builds.
If you want to have challenging fun in D3 I recommend Hardcore, it forces you to play in a certain way, and it's a lot more exciting and challenging than normal.
I never died while leveling a dh unless I did stupid stuff like chasing goblins carelessly. Is it really more fun on hardcore? I don't really see any risk up until inferno. And inferno is just a stupid farm clusterfuck.
I've died once so far, killed by the mushrooms the Woodwraiths throw out in Act 1 hell as a melee Wizard.
On my Doctor run I haven't triggered Spirit Vessel yet (Act 1 hell atm.), so it is a bit less challenging than Wizard I'd say.
I know a lot of other people who have died before lvl 60 as well. Most of my friends have lost at least one HC character. Kungen died while leveling a new char I believe, and so did Dirge.
When I leveled Demon Hunter softcore I died on a few bosses, Rakanoth and Izual Hell were bitches iirc. DH is the least played class in Hardcore I think -- one mistake vs a strong monster and you end up dead.Last edit: 2012-06-26 07:11:58 |
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| Ender985 Spain. June 26 2012 07:23. Posts 697 | Profile Blog # |
I think the game is good.
I had a blast on Normal partially because the acts kept bringing D2 memories back, but also because the whole novelty of the game. Then Nightmare rised it up a bit, at least I started notice elites/champs and their habilities; Hell was a bit too repetitive so I started advancing swiftly through it since I already knew the shortcuts. And now I'm halfway through Act I Inferno and the game is still fun and challenging. Sure, some champs just kill me in a vortex+jail+frozen and 2 hits, but for the most part I can handle them and all the white mobs no problem, with <300k/piece gear.
However be advised that this game consists of two separated parts; the one where you play with your character and slay monsters, and the one where you play Wall Street simulator. I enjoy both of them, but I understand this can be a drawback for some people. Sure, the devs keep saying you can beat the whole game without ever using the Auction House, but then you would have to grind goblins/elites/champs for thousands of hours. How it works for me is I flip objects in the AH on a daily basis, and when I hit a wall with my char, I just buy some improved gear and sell the old one and keep playing. And if I make some € on the side, all the better. I guess everyone has to find their way to manage this separation and have fun; some people have a lvl 10 character and only play the AH, some people play Hardcore and never open the AH, and the rest of us are somewhere in between. |
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 HQuality June 26 2012 07:33. Posts 2679 | Profile # |
Only hardcore is fun
srsly, try it |
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| ishyishy United States. June 26 2012 07:36. Posts 795 | Profile # |
IMO inferno is a little too difficult. It's extremely gear dependant, and basically the only way to get that kind of gear is to buy it from the AH. Sure you can grind shit that you can kill, with a very high MF rating, but unless you are really lucky, you eont get anything good. Plus the fact that all stats are random on items means that you have to get even luckier to find an upgrade for yourself.
My verdict: no it is not more fun at higher difficulty. |
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| Ownos United States. June 26 2012 11:55. Posts 2144 | Profile # |
lol wall street simulator. I do admit that in WoW I REALLY enjoyed playing the economic game and being an herb/pot baron. The thing that sours all that for me the shoddy AH interface that's even below the default WoW AH UI. The lack of auctioneer addon to count beans and stuff kind of makes it all a bit too frustrating. Sure you can find the occasional blatantly poorly priced item.
On June 26 2012 06:39 Latty wrote:
Try to beat the Game on Hardcore, thats the only challenge the game offers. Inferno difficulty is super ridicoulous at times but i rather play the game the hardest way possible or i dont play it at all. item farming is part of diablo, if that bothers you then quit
It is. I think people just wished more skill was factored in. Like the devs themselves said, they want things to be about efficiency. So while I can slowly beat an encounter that would require more gear, I can at least overcome it with some wits and feel good and triumphant even if it drops crap. There's no point in getting gear if the process is not fun. This isn't 1998 anymore. We need a little more than a click-fest nowadays.
I think for an expansion they should definitely think long and hard about what new affixes they add onto packs to make them feel more requiring skill and player input to overcome and make the fight dynamic than just "this mob now does a ton of damage; you need more gear now". Like arcane sentries are made so that they force you to reposition, but they are cast so often that you are ALWAYS moving and thus just makes fighting mobs slower. But I like the idea of what the sentries are for... for player interaction that isn't just hold mouse1 on the mob. At least things are a lot better than D2 where there were damage immunities that just forced 1 party member to do all the work while everyone sits with their thumb up their butts. |
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| KalWarkov Germany. June 26 2012 12:02. Posts 2799 | Profile Blog # |
On June 24 2012 05:09 andReslic wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:03 Torte de Lini wrote:
Play Hardcore
Its the only true challenge.
I actually think playing on Inferno is a challenge too, with this repair costs, the challenge is getting the gold.
nope, it isnt a challange at all. you will learn this when ur first char with millions of gear dies. nothing can ever happen to you in softcore. AND the prices are rigged, there are tons of bots, the real AH makes everything even worse.
HC is the true D3, unfortionally SC wont be for the next few weeks or months, till everything gets reset and at least some things get fixed.
As it stands, only HC is a little bit of fun. Still, you wont get the same item-search feeling like in d2 imo, probably because u know that u will most likely buy most items u wear and not find them anymore. Legendarys and sets are more or less useless (at least most of them... some are great, but those are impossible to get for "normal", honest players) and well - 80% of the players farm by killing goblins with mf gear for hours every day.
nope, untill things get better, i wouldnt recommend you to any further, especially cause u dont seem to be a hardcore gamer with lots of time.
€:
Oh, another great point:
With the new droprates, you will farm what is easy and fast to farm for u. Dont ever expect epic close battles where skill matters. its either farming the easy stuff for hours or abusing the game / finding bugs. its rly sad. d3 could be such a great game if the ppl playing it wouldnt be so pathetic to abuse everything they know about the game. But why wouldnt they - the game rewards them for what they do.Last edit: 2012-06-26 12:09:28 |
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| KalWarkov Germany. June 26 2012 12:12. Posts 2799 | Profile Blog # |
On June 26 2012 07:23 Ender985 wrote:
I think the game is good.
I had a blast on Normal partially because the acts kept bringing D2 memories back, but also because the whole novelty of the game. Then Nightmare rised it up a bit, at least I started notice elites/champs and their habilities; Hell was a bit too repetitive so I started advancing swiftly through it since I already knew the shortcuts. And now I'm halfway through Act I Inferno and the game is still fun and challenging. Sure, some champs just kill me in a vortex+jail+frozen and 2 hits, but for the most part I can handle them and all the white mobs no problem, with <300k/piece gear.
However be advised that this game consists of two separated parts; the one where you play with your character and slay monsters, and the one where you play Wall Street simulator. I enjoy both of them, but I understand this can be a drawback for some people. Sure, the devs keep saying you can beat the whole game without ever using the Auction House, but then you would have to grind goblins/elites/champs for thousands of hours. How it works for me is I flip objects in the AH on a daily basis, and when I hit a wall with my char, I just buy some improved gear and sell the old one and keep playing. And if I make some € on the side, all the better. I guess everyone has to find their way to manage this separation and have fun; some people have a lvl 10 character and only play the AH, some people play Hardcore and never open the AH, and the rest of us are somewhere in between.
play 2 more weeks. till the point where u are at, i also still had a blast. then i realized how stupid the lategame content, the economy and abusing players are. |
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| Fumble June 26 2012 12:21. Posts 155 | Profile # |
Just judging from the little information you provided, I think you can extract some more fun out of the game up to inferno. Nightmare and hell is hardly about just farming loot and allows you to try out some new spells since your not even close to 60 by the end of normal. They are also more challenging which imo made the game more fun considering how easy normal mode was.
Not sure how much tactical you expect the game to be though at higher difficulties. In nightmare, no additional tactics is needed but in hell you might need more efficiency in your spells. Might have to rework what abilities you used and make sure to approach things more carefully, actually start kiting or timing your cds properly. However nothing is really that special.
In inferno mode, you'll probably quit the game though. Its a grind fest for more loot and I doubt thats what your looking for. The only thing that would keep you hooked is that you can actually sell loot for real money. |
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| ballasdontcry Canada. June 26 2012 12:25. Posts 541 | Profile # |
On June 24 2012 05:09 andReslic wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:03 Torte de Lini wrote:
Play Hardcore
Its the only true challenge.
I actually think playing on Inferno is a challenge too, with this repair costs, the challenge is getting the gold.
eh, getting gold is pretty easy at least on softcore because of how many people that are clueless enough to undersell valuable items, an easy profit can be made from flipping items if you are fast and know what niches to exploit on the AH. and if you're doing farming runs comfortably you should at least break even if not profit based on vendoring junk items and salvaging lv60 stuff for mats alone, last i checked tomes and exquisite essences are still selling for 1k per at least because of their use in crafting.
if you're not seeing your gold increase with each farming run, you're probably farming out of your comfort zone and should drop back an act or difficulty until you can handle the mobs, because you're dying too much. Last edit: 2012-06-26 12:34:40 |
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| Penatronic June 28 2012 07:36. Posts 149 | Profile # |
I think the game is pretty fun on inferno for the challenge, and I hate farming/grinding in games (I couldn't even get a lvl60 in wow because I got bored of grinding).
There's a lot of different ways to get into the later acts in inferno. The honest truth is you can do it insanely inefficiently, like gear farming over and over with a shitty build and no skill. A lot of players feel like this is the only way to do it.
The real trick that I've found is two fold: find a build that is both good and uses undervalued gear to make it cheaper, and play the auction house a little (always buy deals, buy low sell high, conserve your capital to build it).
For example the traditional tank-barb build can cost 20 mil plus, where people have done goofy sprint tornado ww builds and beaten diablo on inferno with less than 6 million.
As far as the AH goes, I pretty much find the stuff I flip while looking for items I'm actually going to wear... It's really easy to do an compared to farming in the game way more time efficient.
It definitely depends on your overall strategy for going about the game, your actual skill level, and your willingness to research and experiment. That's the most fun part of any game anyways, IMO. |
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| Lysenko United States. June 29 2012 04:25. Posts 1995 | Profile Blog # |
On June 26 2012 05:37 HyunA wrote:
no, it's not more fun. it takes more time and more gear to beat bosses/elite packs in higher dificulties, but not more skill
This guy's wrong -- it takes a lot more attention and reaction speed to kill elites with more abilities.
Anyway, don't listen to all these burned-out Inferno players if you want to know whether it's worth finishing Hell mode and getting to level 60. It absolutely is. The problems they're talking about don't remotely become an issue until you're grinding away in Inferno. |
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