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 polyphonyEX United States. June 25 2012 07:13. Posts 2539 | Profile # |
On June 25 2012 07:10 Stiluz wrote:
Didn't know people hated the EG lair. If you don't like it, don't watch it I guess?
No, it's just a really bad OP. It's not about kicking out dogs or girls or anything stupid like that. It's about establishing a proper, focused training regimen in the EG house.Last edit: 2012-06-25 07:16:03 |
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| Dodgin Canada. June 25 2012 07:13. Posts 24890 | Profile # |
On June 25 2012 07:10 Orracle wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 07:05 lubu42 wrote:
So you believe that Inc should kick his fiance out (which btw Anna does stuff for the esports community lol...)
I could not even begin to tell you how impossible it would be for them to get rid of the dogs and cats lol. If you take a look at Inc's Twitter, ALL of the pictures are of the animals. Everyone loves them and by no means are animals and girls hurting their practice or play.
Getting a coach isn't the worst idea in the world but honestly EG has everything on lock down. No one here knows what its actually like living in the EG Lair but quite honestly I think everything is fine. Just suggesting something like kicking out the women is hysterical to read.
How can you honestly say everything is fine? This team recruited some of the best players in the world such as Puma, JYP, Huk, etc, and essentially stripped them of any results. I agree, to speculate the women or animals are causing an issue is silly. The only thing the community does know is EG posts no results, which means there is obviously an issue. What the real problem is would be impossible for any of us to say without having lived there. Yes, EG is successful in marketing.... but as TB said, as soon as Koreans develop the personality of Idra, what does EG have going for them? Absolutely nothing.
I'd say Puma is the exception, he has the best results compared to every other player on the team and is fairly consistent.
 PuMa/Results
He has not done as well since 2nd at IEM WC but he still has a lot of high finishes, top 5/6 at the most recent MLG.Last edit: 2012-06-25 07:14:27 |
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| snively United States. June 25 2012 07:14. Posts 1079 | Profile Blog # |
"koreans are not naturally good at the game. they have the work ethic and the established training regimen"
of course koreans are naturally good at starcraft. its in their blood xD |
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| KCrazy United States. June 25 2012 07:15. Posts 278 | Profile # |
| i aggree with TB, the quality of the community has been dropping lately.. terribly presented post on what could have been an interesting topic.. |
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| taLbuk Madagascar. June 25 2012 07:15. Posts 1447 | Profile # |
| oh look a thread with people having discussions about things they/we have no clue about and shouldnt even be commenting on in the first place |
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| Falconblade United States. June 25 2012 07:16. Posts 1024 | Profile # |
On June 25 2012 07:10 Orracle wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 07:05 lubu42 wrote:
So you believe that Inc should kick his fiance out (which btw Anna does stuff for the esports community lol...)
I could not even begin to tell you how impossible it would be for them to get rid of the dogs and cats lol. If you take a look at Inc's Twitter, ALL of the pictures are of the animals. Everyone loves them and by no means are animals and girls hurting their practice or play.
Getting a coach isn't the worst idea in the world but honestly EG has everything on lock down. No one here knows what its actually like living in the EG Lair but quite honestly I think everything is fine. Just suggesting something like kicking out the women is hysterical to read.
How can you honestly say everything is fine? This team recruited some of the best players in the world such as Puma, JYP, Huk, etc, and essentially stripped them of any results. I agree, to speculate the women or animals are causing an issue is silly. The only thing the community does know is EG posts no results, which means there is obviously an issue. What the real problem is would be impossible for any of us to say without having lived there. Yes, EG is successful in marketing.... but as TB said, as soon as Koreans develop the personality of Idra, what does EG have going for them? Absolutely nothing.
Not sure if serious...
PuMa and Jyp have made more money since joining EG. And HuK has made a relatively fair amount since joining EG.
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| magnaflow Canada. June 25 2012 07:17. Posts 1383 | Profile # |
Too much focus on Talk shows and videos, not enough on the game. but whateves, they are doing what they are supposed to be I guess.
Not enough discipline in the house. Practice when you want, how you want for however long you want. Just make sure you stream/make a video about it, and make sure our sponsors get exposure, thats all that matters to EG. That is their buisness model. Results are secondary and come come from their other gaming teams
Anyone who is hoping that EG will lead the way for NA are going too be seriously dissapointed. IMO it should be TL
Oh and really, the whole girls/pets thing.... not a big deal, but do you bring your wife and pets too work with you? Last edit: 2012-06-25 07:18:33 |
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| Orracle United States. June 25 2012 07:17. Posts 309 | Profile Blog # |
On June 25 2012 07:13 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 07:10 Orracle wrote:
On June 25 2012 07:05 lubu42 wrote:
So you believe that Inc should kick his fiance out (which btw Anna does stuff for the esports community lol...)
I could not even begin to tell you how impossible it would be for them to get rid of the dogs and cats lol. If you take a look at Inc's Twitter, ALL of the pictures are of the animals. Everyone loves them and by no means are animals and girls hurting their practice or play.
Getting a coach isn't the worst idea in the world but honestly EG has everything on lock down. No one here knows what its actually like living in the EG Lair but quite honestly I think everything is fine. Just suggesting something like kicking out the women is hysterical to read.
How can you honestly say everything is fine? This team recruited some of the best players in the world such as Puma, JYP, Huk, etc, and essentially stripped them of any results. I agree, to speculate the women or animals are causing an issue is silly. The only thing the community does know is EG posts no results, which means there is obviously an issue. What the real problem is would be impossible for any of us to say without having lived there. Yes, EG is successful in marketing.... but as TB said, as soon as Koreans develop the personality of Idra, what does EG have going for them? Absolutely nothing.
I'd say Puma is the exception, he has the best results compared to every other player on the team and is fairly consistent. PuMa/ResultsHe has not done as well since 2nd at IEM WC but he still has a lot of high finishes, top 5/6 at the most recent MLG.
He still is a great player for sure. Also the fact him and JYP don't live in the team house definitely plays apart.
On June 25 2012 07:16 Falconblade wrote:
Not sure if serious...
PuMa and Jyp have made more money since joining EG. And HuK has made a relatively fair amount since joining EG.
What you're saying is idiotic. Of course Puma will make more money, as financially he can attend more events. But if you notice, the longer he has been apart of EG, the worse he has been doing. Early in his career at EG, he was playing very well. Won another NASL, etc. A year goes by and his results are much worse than previously.
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| sertman United States. June 25 2012 07:18. Posts 341 | Profile Blog # |
On June 25 2012 07:11 ROOTT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 07:08 imMUTAble787 wrote:
OP ruined a potentially interesting post by offering up his own full retard suggestions.
The NA scene needs to figure something out, and fast.
lol theres nothing that the na scene can do best case scenario - blizzard gets their shit together and fixes cross-server lag issues
well with HotS having global play my guess is they have a solution. yeah it's gonna suck until HotS but i'd rather their networking guys be working on making that better than re-hauling the existing infrastructure |
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| polyphonyEX United States. June 25 2012 07:20. Posts 2539 | Profile # |
On June 25 2012 07:17 Orracle wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 07:13 Dodgin wrote:
On June 25 2012 07:10 Orracle wrote:
On June 25 2012 07:05 lubu42 wrote:
So you believe that Inc should kick his fiance out (which btw Anna does stuff for the esports community lol...)
I could not even begin to tell you how impossible it would be for them to get rid of the dogs and cats lol. If you take a look at Inc's Twitter, ALL of the pictures are of the animals. Everyone loves them and by no means are animals and girls hurting their practice or play.
Getting a coach isn't the worst idea in the world but honestly EG has everything on lock down. No one here knows what its actually like living in the EG Lair but quite honestly I think everything is fine. Just suggesting something like kicking out the women is hysterical to read.
How can you honestly say everything is fine? This team recruited some of the best players in the world such as Puma, JYP, Huk, etc, and essentially stripped them of any results. I agree, to speculate the women or animals are causing an issue is silly. The only thing the community does know is EG posts no results, which means there is obviously an issue. What the real problem is would be impossible for any of us to say without having lived there. Yes, EG is successful in marketing.... but as TB said, as soon as Koreans develop the personality of Idra, what does EG have going for them? Absolutely nothing.
I'd say Puma is the exception, he has the best results compared to every other player on the team and is fairly consistent. PuMa/ResultsHe has not done as well since 2nd at IEM WC but he still has a lot of high finishes, top 5/6 at the most recent MLG.
He still is a great player for sure. Also the fact him and JYP don't live in the team house definitely plays apart.
For the last time. PUMA/JYP/THORZAIN/HUK/ECT... DON'T APPLY HERE BECAUSE THEY AREN'T LIVING IN THE EG HOUSE!!!!!
I doubt most of the people posting in this thread understand the topic at hand. Completely irrelevant.Last edit: 2012-06-25 07:23:28 |
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| ROOTT1 Canada. June 25 2012 07:20. Posts 5624 | Profile Blog # |
On June 25 2012 07:13 polyphonyEX wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 07:10 Stiluz wrote:
Didn't know people hated the EG lair. If you don't like it, don't watch it I guess?
No, it's just a really bad OP. The real discussion is about the negative effect the EG house environment has on its players results. For a team as well sponsored as they are, EG and their players are seriously falling behind competitively.
LOL i fucking facepalmed after i read 1) kick the dogs. we need to be focusing on why the na scene is lagging behind the korean and european scene, what eg does has nothing to do with it lol
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| NeMeSiS3 Canada. June 25 2012 07:20. Posts 2969 | Profile Blog # |
On June 25 2012 07:12 Terranist wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 07:09 TechNoTrance wrote:
On June 25 2012 06:47 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 25 2012 06:15 TechNoTrance wrote:
On June 25 2012 06:09 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 25 2012 05:59 Dosey wrote:
On June 25 2012 05:18 brinker wrote:
Simply put, this is the #1 reason why everyone is so up in arms about this whole thing lately.
We fucking love them.
Despite how much hate and flame seems to get directed at them, they are the vast minority. these guys are hands down the most liked players in the entire scene. There are probably countless people here that agree with me on this, it would be amazing if IdrA/HuK started murdering Koreans and placing well again.
But IF YOU WANT TO WIN there are three things that absolutely need to be done with little to no way around it. I wish there was, but honestly you can't have this sort of environment in any professional sport.
1. Kick out the dogs.
2. Kick out the girls. (I wonder what would happen if you asked a Korean coach if you could bring your girlfriend into the house. And on another point, NO ONE straight would be able to focus on a game the amount it takes to be successful with that specific group of girls around you, lets just be honest.)
3. Get a coach. (By the way Incontrol, about what you said on SOTG, people say that you guys need a Korean coach for the practice regimen, not the strategy/team league purpose.)
Being unsuccessful and fucking around is absolutely fine with me. These players have every right not to win until their salaries are public. At this time no one knows how much money the players make, we can only speculate.
But if you aren't going to win, please stop hyping your players, so I know not to watch your games.
Thanks for reading. Please comment down below with your thoughts, I would especially like to hear some of the EG players opinion. As I said, I am not trying to hate, just trying to help. I think this is a conversation that needs to happen, and Reddit is NOT the place for it T_T.
Maybe for a sex starved virgin... but to mature young adults (yes I know, absurd right?!) having girls around is no more distracting than having male roommates around. The dogs on the other hand... I find distracting. But that's because I absolutely despise little dogs. Especially when they shit everywhere and bark at everything.
On June 25 2012 05:59 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Can someone clarify this for me? I don't really know what's going on, who is hating on the EG teamhouse now? I remember months ago when people all thought it was a bad idea, but recently I haven't heard much.
On June 25 2012 05:59 Oreo7 wrote:
I don't fucking love them. The only EG I'm a fan of is HuK. I buy razer gear, EG has no results and is all hype!
Excluding JYP/Puma/Idra? : D I dunno, seems like they've got good results?
Apparently TB "Called them out" on Real Talk and reddit (as usual) has been blowing up about it.
Maybe TB can get rid of his goofy hat and stop disregarding stats that in fact EG has always been performing as well as most other teams when it comes to tournament results. Thank you for clearing that up though.
Really? Does that explain why iNcontroL has stated several times that his team had been underperforming? Lets not call things fact without backing them up ok? Seeing as how you are the guy who just made the embarassing "pitchforks" thread today, maybe you shouldn't be throwing ad hominems at TB about how he used to wear a tophat?
iNcontroL has echoed the thoughts of many foreigners, but it isn't "EG" is performing poorly... It is the entire foreigner community is performing poorly including EG.
No, iNcontroL has spoken about HIS team underperforming in the past, not just foreigners in general. You are just twisting things to fit your own shallow logic. Let me get this straight... the majority of the foreigner community performing poorly excuses EG from performing poorly? That logic is ridiculous. Do you even know what you are arguing? One second you say EG has always performed as well as most teams, now you are saying they are performing poorly like the rest of the foreigners. Which is it?
he's not even making sense anymore. it's true that all foreign teams are sucking pretty bad, but EG's performance in particular is disturbingly disproportionate to the amount of funds poured into the players.
Let's clarify some things, firstly I agree he noted "his" team, but it was in conjunction with the general downfall of foreigners lately. Secondly I never "excluded" EG at all, my entire point was that EG itself isn't the only team facing troubling times so we shouldn't blow shit out the ass of the entire team structure for a failing region (which NA is currently is currently that).
This discussion is a thread about foreigners mainly (not korean teams, except for practice and comparing how bad foreigners are to Korean level) so when I specifically stated about "performing as well as most teams" I was using that with respect to other foreigner teams(I can see where this may be mistaken, that's my bad fort not specifically stating and thinking it was insinuated), as you'll note my logic carries that through by saying they're doing poorly with the rest of the foreigners.
So I agree with your point that EG as a whole isn't doing very well currently (although if I have my stats right, Demuslim is definitely top 16 for NASL right now) but my counter-argument was that specifically targeting EG (and it's teamhouse) as the problem is rather naive. TT1 nailed it pretty hard when he stated it was the ladders competitive edge which was the issue.
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| Falconblade United States. June 25 2012 07:21. Posts 1024 | Profile # |
On June 25 2012 07:17 Orracle wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 07:13 Dodgin wrote:
On June 25 2012 07:10 Orracle wrote:
On June 25 2012 07:05 lubu42 wrote:
So you believe that Inc should kick his fiance out (which btw Anna does stuff for the esports community lol...)
I could not even begin to tell you how impossible it would be for them to get rid of the dogs and cats lol. If you take a look at Inc's Twitter, ALL of the pictures are of the animals. Everyone loves them and by no means are animals and girls hurting their practice or play.
Getting a coach isn't the worst idea in the world but honestly EG has everything on lock down. No one here knows what its actually like living in the EG Lair but quite honestly I think everything is fine. Just suggesting something like kicking out the women is hysterical to read.
How can you honestly say everything is fine? This team recruited some of the best players in the world such as Puma, JYP, Huk, etc, and essentially stripped them of any results. I agree, to speculate the women or animals are causing an issue is silly. The only thing the community does know is EG posts no results, which means there is obviously an issue. What the real problem is would be impossible for any of us to say without having lived there. Yes, EG is successful in marketing.... but as TB said, as soon as Koreans develop the personality of Idra, what does EG have going for them? Absolutely nothing.
I'd say Puma is the exception, he has the best results compared to every other player on the team and is fairly consistent. PuMa/ResultsHe has not done as well since 2nd at IEM WC but he still has a lot of high finishes, top 5/6 at the most recent MLG.
He still is a great player for sure. Also the fact him and JYP don't live in the team house definitely plays apart.
So EG didn't strip them of their results. And ofcourse it plays a part, they train with SlayerS and the like, and that's a damn good environment.
So players who have lived in the lair have either been steady, or improved minorly, yet not done anything big. Sure, the EG players are underperforming considering their talent in Demuslim and IdrA at the moment. But none of the players who live in the EG house were threatening to take over the tournament scene prior to their EG acquisition. So why blame the house? Any team house not in Korea would suffice for this example, any team house out of Korea wont develop top-tier players at the same rate. And for EG, that's fine, they're stilling getting ROI, and some are making their climb in the relative comfort of the US as opposed to the much more different lifestyle in Korea.
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| stew_ Canada. June 25 2012 07:25. Posts 231 | Profile # |
On June 25 2012 05:26 brinker wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 05:24 Lawls01 wrote:
Didn't know there were alot of people hating on the EG Lair.
Check reddit.
and that accounts for the vast majority of sc2 gamers, pros and followers right? |
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| -Kira June 25 2012 07:25. Posts 352 | Profile Blog # |
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 tree.hugger Saint Paul, MN. June 25 2012 07:26. Posts 8955 | Profile Blog # |
I think the subject of team houses is a good one, but I'm uncomfortable with the focus of the OP on simply hating on EG, and don't see how it provokes neutral discussion. This is essentially: "Do you like EG? (Yes/No)"
I'm going to lock this, and I'll move it to closed eventually unless someone can provide evidence that there's a good discussion going on here. I'm assuming this was left open because nobody is paying too much attention at this time... there are a lot of reports open. Last edit: 2012-06-25 07:27:43 |
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 Liquid`Nazgul Administrator June 25 2012 07:27. | Profile Blog # |
I think the whole premise of wanting teams to reproduce the Korean practice environment is just wrong. The Korean practice regimen isn't just a matter of doing it or not doing it. It's the surroundings. There's hundreds of players on ladder that are better than the best on NA. There is an existing culture of mass practicing and this rubs off on people who go there because they are instantly surrounded with people that play more than them.
Bringing Puma, HuK, JYP, Thorzain permanently to NA is not a good development. EG shouldn't have that desire and neither should anyone else. The EG house exists to provide cheap housing for players that aren't at a level where it makes sense to go to Korea (or don't want to go there by choice), to provide a place for everyone to stay when they travel to NA for tournaments, and to create marketing opportunities with the house and the studio located nearby. They're doing a fantastic job at understanding this house cannot and should not compete with the Korean environment, it has a different kind of role.
There's Korean team houses with animals, and Anna plays an important role in keeping the house going. What kind of nonsense is that. Last edit: 2012-06-25 07:33:00 |
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