Hello TL! TLO just posted this on his twitter. It caught my attention. It's a surprise to me that NASA has such little support. A small increase could potentially could change our future for the better. A manned mission to Mars would be able to answer all the questions we've had for years! The continued growth of our knowledge is something that money should not put a price on. The private sector is taking space exploration seriously as well, but private companies will always try and turn a profit. NASA has intentions on bringing to light, the questions we've been wondering since pre-biblical times. Thousands of years of wondering can be answered if we are given the opportunity. I'm not here to enforce the singing of the petition, but rather to inform you why NASA should be supported, why we should keep dreaming, and why this is important to us.
Below are 2 inspirational, and informative videos. Check them out, Get informed, and sign the petition if you see the potential behind it.
We at Team Liquid have a large community. Let's put that to use! Discovery through NASA should be able to continue to grow. We can make a difference, Let's show them we care.
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Yes, we should really increase government funding of an organization that is known for mismanaging its funds and producing weak results (in recent years) when our economy is struggling and people cannot even find jobs.
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BabyGiraldo United States. June 25 2012 13:39. Posts 135
Did you even watch the video Eris? The amount of funding NASA currently gets is a joke. The requirements to littereally double their entire budget goes from 0.5% to 1%.
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1Eris1 United States. June 25 2012 13:45. Posts 5797
On June 25 2012 13:40 LgNkarmy wrote: Did you even watch the video Eris? The amount of funding NASA currently gets is a joke. The requirements to littereally double their entire budget goes from 0.5% to 1%.
I did thank you; it was a 5 minute long piece of inspiring talk that doesn't bother to address any of the problems associated with such an action. I don't mind funding space related enterprise, I mind funding NASA, which has proven time and time again to be unreliable and a complete letdown.
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On June 25 2012 13:40 LgNkarmy wrote: Did you even watch the video Eris? The amount of funding NASA currently gets is a joke. The requirements to littereally double their entire budget goes from 0.5% to 1%.
I did thank you. I don't mind funding space related enterprise, I mind funding NASA, which has proven time and time again to be unreliable and a completel letdown.
Honestly this.
I have more faith in the private sector trying to make a profit in space via tourism and moon/mars mining than NASA doing it for no reason other than dreaming. Like the vid says, we did what we did because we were for all intents and purposes at war and that was how we won. Now we're not. We need to give more financial urges to go into space and the private sector will get it done better.
On June 25 2012 13:40 LgNkarmy wrote: Did you even watch the video Eris? The amount of funding NASA currently gets is a joke. The requirements to littereally double their entire budget goes from 0.5% to 1%.
I did thank you. I don't mind funding space related enterprise, I mind funding NASA, which has proven time and time again to be unreliable and a complete letdown.
How so? i do not follow NASA very closely, but i would like to know how you have come to this conclusion
On June 25 2012 13:40 LgNkarmy wrote: Did you even watch the video Eris? The amount of funding NASA currently gets is a joke. The requirements to littereally double their entire budget goes from 0.5% to 1%.
I did thank you. I don't mind funding space related enterprise, I mind funding NASA, which has proven time and time again to be unreliable and a complete letdown.
Care to elaborate?
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It's nice to see some enthusiasm to support NASA but there really isn't any hope. I was personally affected by this while working at NASA Ames on Project Orion. The budget cuts led to my lay off and a ton of other people across such a wide variety of disciplines (mine was in hypersonic CFD). It's really sad to be quite honest, the Chinese will be taking the lead in the space race in the near future. At least our private industry shows signs of hope.
On June 25 2012 13:50 Pufftrees wrote: It's nice to see some enthusiasm to support NASA but there really isn't any hope. I was personally affected by this while working at NASA Ames on Project Orion. The budget cuts led to my lay off and a ton of other people across such a wide variety of disciplines (mine was in hypersonic CFD). It's really sad to be quite honest, the Chinese will be taking the lead in the space race in the near future. At least our private industry shows signs of hope.
Once the private sector gets even the slightest scent of profit or monopoly in space, they'll be at each others throats to get back to the moon and mars for that mining. Hell, once Nuclear Fission and in the future Fusion gets more popular (which is inevitable, essentially) Helium-3 is going to be VERY necessary. Which is on the moon. A lot of it is on the moon. And not on Earth. There's also a bunch of silver I believe on the moon, and a shit ton of other precious metals on mars.
Waste of money! Let the private sector do what Rockefeller did to the oil industry; reduce the cost of kerosene from 3 dollars a unit to 0.08 dollars while improving safety, efficiency, fathering large scale recycling, improving equipment. Making Americans, and the world richer while and making more profit than any other person in the world(if adjusted for inflation).
Or for maybe a more relevant example... let the private sector do to space exploration/technology what the private sector did to the internet... although you may argue the internet started in the government, the government had nothing to do with the major advances that happened after it released it for public development.
Half the people wants to increase govt. spending and the other half wants to reduce it... What a fresh and interesting debate this is shaping out to be!!!
On June 25 2012 13:40 LgNkarmy wrote: Did you even watch the video Eris? The amount of funding NASA currently gets is a joke. The requirements to littereally double their entire budget goes from 0.5% to 1%.
I did thank you. I don't mind funding space related enterprise, I mind funding NASA, which has proven time and time again to be unreliable and a complete letdown.
"The total company expenditures since being founded in 2002 through the 2010 fiscal year were less than $800 million, which includes all the development costs for the Falcon 1, Falcon 9 and Dragon. Included in this $800 million are the costs of building launch sites at Vandenberg, Cape Canaveral and Kwajalein, as well as the corporate manufacturing facility that can support up to 12 Falcon 9 and Dragon missions per year. This total also includes the cost of five flights of Falcon 1, two flights of Falcon 9, and one up and back flight of Dragon"
Compare that to NASA annual budget of 16 billion... and now ask how many missions does nasa run a year? How many missions could SpaceX run with 16 billion a year? GOVERNMENT = INEFFICIENT this rule is known by any Capitalist and you will see the same deterioration in any field the government handles, reduction of quality, increase in cost... take health care, public schools, banking... etc.
forget to mention, wait till SpaceX has competitors and what will happen to innovation and price.
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DannyJ United States. June 25 2012 14:07. Posts 3710
On June 25 2012 13:50 Pufftrees wrote: It's nice to see some enthusiasm to support NASA but there really isn't any hope. I was personally affected by this while working at NASA Ames on Project Orion. The budget cuts led to my lay off and a ton of other people across such a wide variety of disciplines (mine was in hypersonic CFD). It's really sad to be quite honest, the Chinese will be taking the lead in the space race in the near future. At least our private industry shows signs of hope.
Once the private sector gets even the slightest scent of profit or monopoly in space, they'll be at each others throats to get back to the moon and mars for that mining. Hell, once Nuclear Fission and in the future Fusion gets more popular (which is inevitable, essentially) Helium-3 is going to be VERY necessary. Which is on the moon. A lot of it is on the moon. And not on Earth. There's also a bunch of silver I believe on the moon, and a shit ton of other precious metals on mars.
Isn't there another side to that coin, though?. The slightest scent of profit makes them go ape shit, but the slightest scent of abysmal failure (very possible with these types of things) could make them instantly pull the plug. Government funds could handle risk and set backs better.
