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 JingleHell United States. July 01 2012 02:24. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On July 01 2012 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:The biggest scumtell I've had so far is the whole mislynch vs no lynch. To that I submit the following: WORST CASE SCENARIO No Lynch Day1 + Show Spoiler +
Day1: 9 Town, 3 Scum (33.333% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch)
No Lynch, Mafia hit on town
Day2: 8 Town, 3 Scum (37.5% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch
(Mis)Lynch Day1 + Show Spoiler +Day1: 9 Town, 3 Scum (33.333% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch)
Lynch Town, Mafia hit on town
Day2: 7 Town, 3 Scum (42.8% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch) Conclusion: Mislynch Bad. No Lynch Worse.
Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:09 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
SNIP
My read on Anacletus isn't changed at this point, though; I still think he's got a good chance of flipping scum. I'm a bit concerned that there might be too many players who will be inactive between now and the lynch, in which case I'll be switching my vote back to Anacletus to prevent a no-lynch.
WTF YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS WHY AM I DEFENDING MYSELF TO YOU??
Your math requires that we have no new reads to work with based off the mislynch and D2 discussion, and are forced to randomly lynch on D2.
If we avoid a crapshoot on the D2 vote, we have better odds of winning a vote with scum being a smaller percentage of the population. |
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| Hopeless1der Canada. July 01 2012 02:24. Posts 2222 | Profile Blog # |
| EBWOP: I'm concerned the math is technically wrong, but the conclusions would be the same if I had done it correctly |
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| JingleHell United States. July 01 2012 02:25. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
| The conclusions are erroneous no matter the technicalities. Having the scum be a smaller overall percentage of the population is good for a vote based on actual reads, which is the only thing that has a good chance of winning. By the time we have even odds of a "random" vote getting scum, they've already won. |
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| JingleHell United States. July 01 2012 02:27. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
| By the way, I'm going to drop my son off with my mom, and then I'm going to be meeting a fellow Liquidian who's temporarily in town for lunch. I may or may not be back before the deadline. Much love. BANS FOR THE BANGOD. |
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 Myles United States. July 01 2012 02:29. Posts 4088 | Profile Blog # |
On July 01 2012 02:09 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
Myles: You're right to a certain extent. I was looking at your and Monk's contributions specifically because you were the only two not to have cast a vote. However, just because two players have the same post count doesn't mean they're making the same contribution. The vast majority of your posts so far have been filler that haven't added in any meaningful way to the conversation. For the record, I don't have a scummy read on you, I just feel like you could be contributing more with your posting.
JH: Less nuttiness, and more posts like that, please! I for one am persuaded. I still have a scummy read on Anacletus, but actively arguing in favor of a mislynch over no lynch at all is far scummier play than he's demonstrated so far.
##Unvote Anacletus
##Vote Hopeless1der
My read on Anacletus isn't changed at this point, though; I still think he's got a good chance of flipping scum. I'm a bit concerned that there might be too many players who will be inactive between now and the lynch, in which case I'll be switching my vote back to Anacletus to prevent a no-lynch.
Nearly all of my posts have been about policy or reads, or a question about policy. I still don't see how the are non-contributing. I still wonder why Bob is flying so low below the radar when he's posted nothing expect to bandwagon on Anacletusm, which everyone seemed to ignore. |
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| Hopeless1der Canada. July 01 2012 02:30. Posts 2222 | Profile Blog # |
| The point is that No Lynch is bad from a statistical standpoint. Unless I know I'm lynching a crucial blue role (which I don't), the best course of action is lynch someone. Your case is based on me intentionally mislynching. In the absence of any other information, it is the best we can do. If my Best-Worst case is grounds for suspicion, so be it. |
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| Dark.EX United States. July 01 2012 02:42. Posts 1504 | Profile Blog # |
OK, guys. It's time for me to contribute, as well. An analysis on Promethelax:
Early on, he has been very suspicious of Anacletus, as shown be these spoilered posts: + Show Spoiler +
On June 29 2012 08:47 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 08:38 Anacletus wrote:
On June 29 2012 08:28 Promethelax wrote:
On June 29 2012 08:16 Myles wrote:
On June 29 2012 08:12 Intact wrote:
I know it's a bit early to try and make a read, however my short list of possible scum is topped by Myles atm. Primarily because it seems like he wants to promote inactivity. It's a loose read but someone had to get this started.
I guess you can call trying to be a little more selective than randomly picking people to start accusing is promoting inactivity, but I was trying to be a little more prudent. The game started 2 hours ago so it seems a bit early to start accusing people.
I think Myles is right here, we need to think this through. I'm certainly not opposed to a lurker lynch but if we are going to start targeting a single player it should be for a good reason. Intact, if you think Myles is scummy you should keep a close eye on him and see how he acts see what he does and build a case. We as townies need to work together though we have the deductive power of nine smart (I hope) people on our side, we should try to use that power.
I have 3 pages of notes already. And I wrote all of those notes in red ink. Only people who are guilty have note pages written about them in red ink. He must be scum!
Oh, well in that case lets lynch him! + Show Spoiler +What do your notes say (assuming you weren't joking about them) what are your reads? Your thoughts and ideas. I know only a few of us are posting right now but that makes it easier, just assume that there still could be a scum among the posters and start hunting. No one needs to succeed at scum hunting yet, it is after all turn one, but we should start looking for any fishy behaviours. I'm looking but not finding anything yet, everyone seems to be pretty normally playing out day one. I'm curious about how fast Intact jumped on Myles but that doesn't mean either of them are scum, just people who I will keep an eye on. Intact: I think you are right to get the ball rolling but I think it should be in a more general sense right now, if you are town you should cast a wide net and not tunnel so quickly. Though you may be right of course, so don't lose sight of the people you get red vibes from.
On June 29 2012 08:47 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 08:38 Anacletus wrote:
On June 29 2012 08:28 Promethelax wrote:
On June 29 2012 08:16 Myles wrote:
On June 29 2012 08:12 Intact wrote:
I know it's a bit early to try and make a read, however my short list of possible scum is topped by Myles atm. Primarily because it seems like he wants to promote inactivity. It's a loose read but someone had to get this started.
I guess you can call trying to be a little more selective than randomly picking people to start accusing is promoting inactivity, but I was trying to be a little more prudent. The game started 2 hours ago so it seems a bit early to start accusing people.
I think Myles is right here, we need to think this through. I'm certainly not opposed to a lurker lynch but if we are going to start targeting a single player it should be for a good reason. Intact, if you think Myles is scummy you should keep a close eye on him and see how he acts see what he does and build a case. We as townies need to work together though we have the deductive power of nine smart (I hope) people on our side, we should try to use that power.
I have 3 pages of notes already. And I wrote all of those notes in red ink. Only people who are guilty have note pages written about them in red ink. He must be scum!
Oh, well in that case lets lynch him! + Show Spoiler +What do your notes say (assuming you weren't joking about them) what are your reads? Your thoughts and ideas. I know only a few of us are posting right now but that makes it easier, just assume that there still could be a scum among the posters and start hunting. No one needs to succeed at scum hunting yet, it is after all turn one, but we should start looking for any fishy behaviours. I'm looking but not finding anything yet, everyone seems to be pretty normally playing out day one. I'm curious about how fast Intact jumped on Myles but that doesn't mean either of them are scum, just people who I will keep an eye on. Intact: I think you are right to get the ball rolling but I think it should be in a more general sense right now, if you are town you should cast a wide net and not tunnel so quickly. Though you may be right of course, so don't lose sight of the people you get red vibes from.
On June 29 2012 12:56 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:36 Anacletus wrote:
On June 29 2012 12:27 Promethelax wrote:
On June 29 2012 12:17 Anacletus wrote:
On June 29 2012 12:14 JingleHell wrote:
On June 29 2012 12:13 Anacletus wrote:
On June 29 2012 12:10 JingleHell wrote:
On June 29 2012 12:00 Anacletus wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:57 Hopeless1der wrote:Anacletus you're actively refusing to participate. Not even neglecting to do so (which I was also doing by joking around), but literally saying
On June 29 2012 11:41 Anacletus wrote:
I am not sharing my thoughts as of yet, I don't think that that is in my best interest to do so.
Dumb jokes aside, that is garbage and scummy behavior for anyone in this game. You would be better off lurking and pretending you weren't here, and even that could be considered suspicious. Our goal this early should be making whatever little reads we can and start building cases. Unfortunately we cannot do that with joke posts. Are you planning on giving us any reads? Right now, you have at best 1 post so far that I don't consider a complete write-off. Everyone has to start somewhere...
I'm not actively refusing to participate. I just don't want to throw around accusations because I think that that will be aggressive and more like scum play. I think I'll wait for a few more people to post before I post any reads.
This isn't a court of law, it's more like Jerry Springer. You talk to people, you lead into questions that get the discussion going the right way, and you start looking for things to poke at. Waiting for someone else to make a case and then bandwagoning looks pretty scummy too, so you're not doing yourself any favors. I'd be poking in other directions more, except there's damn few directions to poke right now.
Yeah I know, I've played mafia before. It's just that refusing to participate is pretty serious and is mentioned in the rules.
He wasn't suggesting that type of refusal, he's talking about not working with us, despite these reads, and pages of notes you claim to have. If you're not helping us look for scum, you're hindering the hunt. If you're not with us, you're against us.
From what I generally see in mafia, the town is the most active in posting when the game starts, while the mafia generally don't post and lurk a while. I've been posting a lot and I really think it's too early to start calling out scum.
+ Show Spoiler +I said I had 8 pages of notes, that was obviously a joke, I don't know shit, bro!
While the bolded may be true it is never too early to start hunting for scum. Share your reads with us. What do you think about JingleHell? Anyone else? If you don't have any notes why have you been filling the thread with trash about your notes? Just babbling helps scum.
If you actually thought that this was true... I think JingleHell is playing aggressively which leads me to believe that he is a townie. I only made the one about any supposed notes, the thread has 10 pages. So no, I am not filling the thread with trash about notes.
You also said that you had eight pages of notes and profiles on people. While I didn't think that the length of your notes or strength of your reads were what you said they were I assumed that you wouldn't just play around so much. I don't like those posts or the one where you insinuate that scum doesn't post early. I particularly don't like that you lied about how many of these posts you've made. You have played before, that gives you an edge over most of us. We need to work together to find scum, if you are town give us your reads. More information is better for us. What do you think of JingleHell or anybody else, give us a first impression or a gut feeling at least, you must have some thoughts.
His next notable post is directed at me as to make me look like scum, which I did. Spoilered as to take up less space: + Show Spoiler +
On June 30 2012 09:14 Promethelax wrote:Okay, as you can tell I've been gone for a while; sleeping and working. I just read the thread and I apologize if I missed anything. (In case you aren't sure if you belive me I work every Tuesday-Saturday from 11-7 ADT (I'll be working Sunday this week too) and that, along with my commute and my sleeps, takes up the time that I am not posting) You can also check the other game I am in hereand compare timestamps. You will note that while I am around I post in both threads and while I am away from my computer I don't post anything. That being said I think that Fencer is scummier than Anacle-whateverhtefuckhisfullnameis and here is why: Our good friend #710 tried to get a band wagon started on Anacletus with that first vote which he cast long before anyone else, right after ##voteing ole Blindy posts:
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 21:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
we still have 2 lurkers/inactive players, until we can get them to talk and really get some info from them I'd lay off of voting.
Which is shortly followed by an ##unvote from Fencer. Fencer tried to get a bandwagon rolling but when it failed he backed right off. He was testing teh waters and found them tepid. As soon as someone else ##voted Anacletus Fencer jumped right back on the bandwagon hoping to get it rolling and look what happened. Now Anacletus is one vote away from being lynched and Fencer is pretending that he is town. Now I do think Anancletus has posted some fishy stuff, in fact I said just that earlier, but I believe that Fencer jumped on the fishiest sounding guy and is trying to make us townies follow him to our own demise. Now if you don;t already believe me, and you should, let's take a long walk down memory lane in the way of his filter: We'll start with this gem.
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 18:47 Fencer710 wrote:
On June 29 2012 18:25 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
On June 29 2012 18:22 Fencer710 wrote:
Sorry T_T. I was literally asleep during the day.
For better or for worse, my views are the same as Umlaut's. I can't really add anything. :\
No, no, no. No coming in here and latching on to someone else's opinions. Me-tooing is the easiest way to just scoot by under the radar without attracting any attention. What do you find so compelling about my arguments? What thoughts of your own do you have? Just popping in here and saying "Sorry, I'm here, too" is not different from lurking and doing nothing in any way that matters.
shit I'm an idiot. I'm acting like scum.  I also forgot to mention this is my first game.I guess it's my fault for having the same views as you. Do you want me to word it differently as well? I'll do so: - Anacletus is very suspicious, not really doing anything but posting a lot. -Jinglehell is similar, but doesn't feel as suspicious since he actually has some direction although he is a bit all over the place as well. I'll talk more later, I have to reread everything a few more times :\
where Fencer's first post clearly tries to buddy up to a, probably, towny. When he is immediately called out for it he cries NEWB! as if that would make a difference. We're in a newbie game of course you are a newb. Fencer's defense is lackluster at best and scummy at worst. His next post is another classic where he points the finger at two guys who he could build a reasonable case against by simply saying: "For some reason I can't say exactly [pinpoint] why it makes me tick, but it does." He is trying to start a another bandwagon with no evidence, if he was a townie he would use logic and reason to find scum not just 'some reason' now in his next four post (all of which are one-liners) there is one which actually had me laughing out loud this example of what not to say when you are scum:
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 21:15 Fencer710 wrote:
Wow, I didn't realize that the only thing JH was talking about was lynching players.
Seriously that is his entire post. What the hell else should we be doing? So, to make a long case short, Fencer is scum. ##vote: Fencer710
On June 30 2012 10:29 Intact wrote:
I'm going to stand by my read as analectus being scum but I have also become very suspicious of promethelax. People may have been bandwagoning analectus but as soon as he got into lynching territory promethelax show up with a long thread pointing out someone else, thereby making some people switch vote. This causes divisions and tensions among the town which is exactly what the scum want. I lean more towards fencer just playing badly and promethelax trying to save his scum partner analectus.
However, his reasoning does not make sense when Promethelax was initially suspicious of Anacletus in the first place. Along with this post which is spoilered as it is very long: + Show Spoiler +
On June 30 2012 13:38 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 12:45 Hopeless1der wrote:
On June 30 2012 12:20 Fencer710 wrote:
OK, guys. I have to go to bed. My closing thoughts in case I don't make the deadline tomorrow:
Remember, 7 people have to decide to lynch the same guy in order for there to be a lynch. It's me, Anacletus, or nothing.
You can be meta all you want in your head, but it doesn't change what actually goes on in the thread.
Remember to read and reread all the posts!
I'll take you over Anacletus today. You're posting is extremely unproductive to me. It doesnt seem all that scummy, but its a massive hindrance when you don't provide anything for discussion, just constantly droning about how your new and guides are super cool. ##Vote: Fencer710
Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 11:26 JingleHell wrote:
If you're really having trouble, and not just trying to be consistent to cover up the slips from earlier, I suggest you go read all of the linked guides, (no really, all of them). Then, forget all the advice you just read, because everyone has read it, and you'll just metagame yourself into a tizzy for no reason. Instead, focus on the generalizations, the state of mind, and the thought processes that were discussed.
However, I can easily see this, like I said, as you just trying to be consistent with your earlier behavior to try and get BotD.
This is really good advice, we should all follow it. We don't need townies acting like scum just because they are dumb. Come on guys there are 9 of us, we need to start working together, our strength is in numbers. This
Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 12:20 Fencer710 wrote:
OK, guys. I have to go to bed. My closing thoughts in case I don't make the deadline tomorrow:
Remember, 7 people have to decide to lynch the same guy in order for there to be a lynch. It's me, Anacletus, or nothing.
You can be meta all you want in your head, but it doesn't change what actually goes on in the thread.
Remember to read and reread all the posts!
is why I can't imagine that you are town, I bring a case against you and your reaction is to give really generic advice and go to bed? You may as well just claim scum in the thread.
The bolded and underlined portion suggests that he is town and not actually just trying to save Anacletus.
On June 30 2012 22:19 Promethelax wrote:
Well this is obnoxious, I think Anaacletus is scummy but I think Fencer is more scummy, however I will be at work when the voting ends and this is my last minute in this thread for this day cycle, since I think a no lynch is really bad for us I am going to switch my vote to Anacletus, I hope that if he flips town you all will look at my Fencer case, he really does look more scummy to me.
I'm putting the hammer on Anacletus because we need a lynch and I won't be here to convince people that we should get Fencer, I would leave my vote on Fencer if I thought I could make the rest of you realize that he is scum but since you seem to want to go for the second reddest person I will do that as well to ensure a lynch.
I hope that if we are wrong and Anacletus is town you will all take a second look at my case on Fencer, if Anacletus is town Fencer is even more likely to be scum.
@Intact: If Anacletus flips scum and you feel the need to go after me I can't stop you, you should go after Fencer but if you don't do that you should go after him on day three after I flip green (all this assuming I live through the next two nights which I probably won't without medic protection).
##Unvote: Fencer710
##Vote: Anacletus
Is there any way to make sure I don't have to do this in the future since I won't be around for the voting deadline? i.e. would it be possible to PM one of you to say my preferences in terms of my vote. That a lynch is better than a no lynch and a lynch on Fenccer is better than a lynch on Anacletus and so on. I want my vote to count but I also have to make it about 12 hours before the deadline which really messes with me, thanks.
All of this suggests that he is town, as he was suspicious/believed Anacletus was scum from the start.
All in all, Promethelax appears to be 100% innocent, but while digging I found that Intact is very suspicious. He has made 8 posts since the game began, all with very few lines, a paragraph at best. A few gems:
On June 29 2012 23:28 Intact wrote:
##Vote Analectus
Bandwagon without any explanation.
On June 30 2012 10:48 Intact wrote:
In addition, should we lynch analectus and he turns put to be mafia, it would make it fairly easy to point out the other mafia. And if he turns out to be townie it would be very easy to confirm some townies.
This makes me extremely suspicious that Anacletus is not mafia, as regardless if he is mafia or town, it wouldn't make it nearly as easy as he suggests, and it supports the notion of lynching him without actually saying anything.
This isn't enough to change my vote yet, but FoS on Intact.
Also, link to the mafia game Anacletus played in before: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707 |
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| BobTheLob Canada. July 01 2012 02:44. Posts 360 | Profile Blog # |
Just as a small defence for myself, I never post much and rarely post more than a few lines, it's just how I post as for bandwagoning... I'm new  I have next to no idea what I'm doing and despite having read up on all of the resources still am a bit lost. As for reads, I just have a feeling about Anacletus, but whether or not he's scum I have no idea the same with Fencer.
I didn't post earlier because I just woke up and last night I was playing a game of Civ IV with my friends :D |
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| AmericanUmlaut Germany. July 01 2012 03:40. Posts 2255 | Profile # |
On July 01 2012 02:12 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:09 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
Myles: You're right to a certain extent. I was looking at your and Monk's contributions specifically because you were the only two not to have cast a vote. However, just because two players have the same post count doesn't mean they're making the same contribution. The vast majority of your posts so far have been filler that haven't added in any meaningful way to the conversation. For the record, I don't have a scummy read on you, I just feel like you could be contributing more with your posting.
JH: Less nuttiness, and more posts like that, please! I for one am persuaded. I still have a scummy read on Anacletus, but actively arguing in favor of a mislynch over no lynch at all is far scummier play than he's demonstrated so far.
##Unvote Anacletus
##Vote Hopeless1der
My read on Anacletus isn't changed at this point, though; I still think he's got a good chance of flipping scum. I'm a bit concerned that there might be too many players who will be inactive between now and the lynch, in which case I'll be switching my vote back to Anacletus to prevent a no-lynch.
You just agreed with my reasoning against Hopeless1der because of the underlined text, and then said the bolded. Bandwagoning on my read, with a huge, glaring inconsistency, with the threat of further bandwagoning. You're still on my scum radar.
You're misconstruing my post. An intentional mislynch is worse than no lynch at all, and arguing otherwise is scummy play, but I don't think that lynching Anacletus is likely to be a mislynch. Regardless, I found your analysis of Hopeless1der persuasive. If I have a scum read on two players, but have a stronger feeling on one than the other, then the logical play is to vote for the one who I feel has the greater chance of being mafia. I have done so. Given that I still feel that Anacletus has a reasonable chance of flipping red, lynching him is still preferable to lynching no one at all, and I'll switch my vote accordingly if the night is otherwise likely to end in a no-lynch. |
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| AmericanUmlaut Germany. July 01 2012 03:43. Posts 2255 | Profile # |
On July 01 2012 02:44 BobTheLob wrote:Just as a small defence for myself, I never post much and rarely post more than a few lines, it's just how I post as for bandwagoning... I'm new I have next to no idea what I'm doing and despite having read up on all of the resources still am a bit lost. As for reads, I just have a feeling about Anacletus, but whether or not he's scum I have no idea the same with Fencer. I didn't post earlier because I just woke up and last night I was playing a game of Civ IV with my friends :D
This is the last time I want to see this as an argument from anyone. This is a newbie game; none of us is a veteran player. And it doesn't matter. Failing to contribute is failing to contribute, regardless of your experience level. If you're town, we need you joining in on the discussion so that we have the information we need to establish that you're on our side. |
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| BobTheLob Canada. July 01 2012 03:53. Posts 360 | Profile Blog # |
On July 01 2012 03:43 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:44 BobTheLob wrote:Just as a small defence for myself, I never post much and rarely post more than a few lines, it's just how I post as for bandwagoning... I'm new I have next to no idea what I'm doing and despite having read up on all of the resources still am a bit lost. As for reads, I just have a feeling about Anacletus, but whether or not he's scum I have no idea the same with Fencer. I didn't post earlier because I just woke up and last night I was playing a game of Civ IV with my friends :D
This is the last time I want to see this as an argument from anyone. This is a newbie game; none of us is a veteran player. And it doesn't matter. Failing to contribute is failing to contribute, regardless of your experience level. If you're town, we need you joining in on the discussion so that we have the information we need to establish that you're on our side.
Okay dude. Sorry but some people in here have played before maybe not TL mafia but other versions. I've played absolutely nothing similar.
Note: okay dude is not meant to be condescending or anything like that sorry if it comes across that way. |
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| Myles United States. July 01 2012 03:53. Posts 4088 | Profile Blog # |
OK, considering we have just over 3 hours left, I'm going to cast my vote for Anacletus. After barely contributing, then barely defending himself, he's pretty much disappeared completely. While not the most damning of evidence, it certainly seems scummy to me since a good way to draw attention from yourself is to lay low and let other people take heat - you know, out of sight out of mind.
Fencer is suspicious, but after looking through all his posts some more, seems more newbish than scum. I'm certainly not going to turn a blind eye, but I'll give him the BotD for now.
And despite other people not seeming to care, BobTheLob is quite suspicious to me. Lurker extraordinaire and his last post doesn't elicit much confidence imo.
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| AmericanUmlaut Germany. July 01 2012 03:57. Posts 2255 | Profile # |
On July 01 2012 03:53 BobTheLob wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 03:43 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
On July 01 2012 02:44 BobTheLob wrote:Just as a small defence for myself, I never post much and rarely post more than a few lines, it's just how I post as for bandwagoning... I'm new I have next to no idea what I'm doing and despite having read up on all of the resources still am a bit lost. As for reads, I just have a feeling about Anacletus, but whether or not he's scum I have no idea the same with Fencer. I didn't post earlier because I just woke up and last night I was playing a game of Civ IV with my friends :D
This is the last time I want to see this as an argument from anyone. This is a newbie game; none of us is a veteran player. And it doesn't matter. Failing to contribute is failing to contribute, regardless of your experience level. If you're town, we need you joining in on the discussion so that we have the information we need to establish that you're on our side.
Okay dude. Sorry but some people in here have played before maybe not TL mafia but other versions. I've played absolutely nothing similar. Note: okay dude is not meant to be condescending or anything like that sorry if it comes across that way.
I didn't take it bad  . Sorry if my own post came across as unfriendly, I just want people to play and do their best, and I don't want us to fall into the habit of accepting "I'm just new" as an excuse for bad play, because it's a really convenient excuse to try and cover up a scumslip. |
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| AmericanUmlaut Germany. July 01 2012 03:58. Posts 2255 | Profile # |
On July 01 2012 03:53 Myles wrote:
OK, considering we have just over 3 hours left, I'm going to cast my vote for Anacletus. After barely contributing, then barely defending himself, he's pretty much disappeared completely. While not the most damning of evidence, it certainly seems scummy to me since a good way to draw attention from yourself is to lay low and let other people take heat - you know, out of sight out of mind.
Fencer is suspicious, but after looking through all his posts some more, seems more newbish than scum. I'm certainly not going to turn a blind eye, but I'll give him the BotD for now.
And despite other people not seeming to care, BobTheLob is quite suspicious to me. Lurker extraordinaire and his last post doesn't elicit much confidence imo.
##Vote Analectus
What is your opinion on JH's read on hopeless1der? Why do you feel that Anacletus is a scummier read? |
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| ghost_403 United States. July 01 2012 04:05. Posts 1753 | Profile # |
Day 1 Vote Count:
Anacletus (7): BLinD-RawR, BobTheLob, Fencer710, Intact, iamperfection, Myles, Promethelax
Intact (1): Anacletus
Fencer710 (1): Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der (2): AmericanUmlaut, JingleHell
Not Voted: NRGmonk
With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Currently, Anacletus is set to be lynched Day 1. Two hours remain! |
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| Myles United States. July 01 2012 04:05. Posts 4088 | Profile Blog # |
On July 01 2012 03:58 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 03:53 Myles wrote:
OK, considering we have just over 3 hours left, I'm going to cast my vote for Anacletus. After barely contributing, then barely defending himself, he's pretty much disappeared completely. While not the most damning of evidence, it certainly seems scummy to me since a good way to draw attention from yourself is to lay low and let other people take heat - you know, out of sight out of mind.
Fencer is suspicious, but after looking through all his posts some more, seems more newbish than scum. I'm certainly not going to turn a blind eye, but I'll give him the BotD for now.
And despite other people not seeming to care, BobTheLob is quite suspicious to me. Lurker extraordinaire and his last post doesn't elicit much confidence imo.
##Vote Analectus
What is your opinion on JH's read on hopeless1der? Why do you feel that Anacletus is a scummier read?
I was suspicious of JH at first because of the seemingly chaotic way he accusing people deciding policy, but I agree now that it was just to get people talking so we could go somewhere rather than seriously accusing people.
Hopeless seems like he's trying to make the best decision with the information we have. I agree that lynching just for information is bad if we have nothing else to go on, but given that we have a couple suspects, we should definitely be lynching one of them since relying on scum to slip up and make it obvious seems very unlikely at this point. |
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| Anacletus United States. July 01 2012 04:18. Posts 670 | Profile Blog # |
On July 01 2012 03:53 Myles wrote:
OK, considering we have just over 3 hours left, I'm going to cast my vote for Anacletus. After barely contributing, then barely defending himself, he's pretty much disappeared completely. While not the most damning of evidence, it certainly seems scummy to me since a good way to draw attention from yourself is to lay low and let other people take heat - you know, out of sight out of mind.
Fencer is suspicious, but after looking through all his posts some more, seems more newbish than scum. I'm certainly not going to turn a blind eye, but I'll give him the BotD for now.
And despite other people not seeming to care, BobTheLob is quite suspicious to me. Lurker extraordinaire and his last post doesn't elicit much confidence imo.
##Vote Analectus
Are you kidding me? I've given my reads more so than most of the people in this game. There isn't much way to defend myself this early on other than to say I'm not scum and hanging me will be a huge miss step by the town.
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| Anacletus United States. July 01 2012 04:20. Posts 670 | Profile Blog # |
| Also, why would you hang someone on their birthday? That's just wrong! |
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| iamperfection United States. July 01 2012 04:34. Posts 4785 | Profile Blog # |
Since it states in the rules that you have to vote for arguments sake:
What happens if you dont vote in time?
If everyone votes does the time limt still have to be reaches or do we immediatly have to enter the next stage? |
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| ghost_403 United States. July 01 2012 04:39. Posts 1753 | Profile # |
| Non voters will be replaced/modkilled. The day will still end at 1700 EST[local]. |
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