| Monsyphon Canada. June 26 2012 07:37. Posts 178 | Profile Blog # |
Hey TL Zergs, here's something quick I made on Paint.net that shows important places where overlords can go on every single season 8 map pool. The legend and images are below, which explains what each colour means and a little background information for fun
LEGEND
White - Represents the airspace where overlords are fairly safe, unless a flying unit that can attack air manages to find it. Good to put overlords here to spot for drops
Green - Represents places on the map where an overlord can go to and not be gunned down by a ground unit whether it be because it is hard to get to (the Middle expos on Entombed) or because it's a high ground location (The towers of light on Daybreak). It's risky sending an overlord there because if the enemy army gets high ground vision or gets to the risky location the Overlord will most likely get gunned down
Pink - Represents locations where Overlords can head to in ZVZ to gain map vision. This is possible because for a good portion of the game attacking air units will not be possible, however be sure to pull any overlords back to base if you scout hydra or muta tech. Infestor tech, not so much, but be aware they can waste a bit of energy to throw down some Infested Terrans to kill overlords on the map.
Yellow - Represents the ideal location for your 2nd Overlord to scout the gasses on the opponent's natural. Very important for ZVP scouting, because it indicates how high Protoss is teching up. Be aware, you should carve your own path to getting to the yellow spot, to increase the effectiveness and safety of the OV. Refer to lysergic's post below for more info
Red Lines - Represents the simplest path for your first overlord to get from your own base to your opponent's. Allowing your overlord to follow the line is inefficient, to be stated in one word.OV movement pattern should be adjusted for every MU, as obviously, they are all different. Refer to lysergic's post .for more effective ways to scout with your OV's
Antiga Shipyard
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Condemned Ridge (excuse the fact that there's rocks, it doesn't really matter)
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Daybreak LE
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Entombed Valley
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ESV Cloud Kingdom
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Ohana LE
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Shakuras Plateau
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Tal' Darim Altar
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Also, I've put every map into a mediafire file, if you wish to download them like that
http://www.mediafire.com/?eyg9brilgwa9l
If you like to see something added, or wish to address a problem/concern, don't be shy to mention it on this thread or PM me about it
Edit 01: Added yellow spots and a new green spot for Tal darim - Thank you steelcurtain09
Edit 02: Changed Legend and info to reflect lysergic's insightful post
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| dSoda United States. June 26 2012 07:44. Posts 122 | Profile # |
| Thanks for this! I always wondered about OL locations but every time i tried to find new safe spots i'd get my OL's killed... Last edit: 2012-06-26 07:54:04 |
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| madals United Kingdom. June 26 2012 08:59. Posts 242 | Profile Blog # |
| Really nice and clear, well done! |
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| Crypdos Netherlands. June 26 2012 09:07. Posts 73 | Profile # |
| On daybreak you can send your first overlord to the "yellow" spot checking the gases in ZvT, useful to see if theres an expansion. |
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| steelcurtain09 United States. June 26 2012 12:00. Posts 72 | Profile # |
This is really helpful, especially for Daybreak. I knew there were tons of places to send OLs, but I would always forget where during games.
Also, you are missing the small pillars in between the main and nat on TDA that would be green areas. |
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| Nimbl3 Australia. June 26 2012 12:14. Posts 48 | Profile # |
| Thanks for this post, i have been looking for spots to put my ovies (sounds so wrong - im a male) but this has answered all my questions. |
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| Zariel Australia. June 26 2012 12:16. Posts 958 | Profile Blog # |
| On Antiga, I love parking the overlord in the gas vents against protoss when I ladder because they never check it and I just fly my ovie there when I want to have a look inside their base |
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| Monsyphon Canada. June 26 2012 12:31. Posts 178 | Profile Blog # |
On June 26 2012 12:00 steelcurtain09 wrote:
This is really helpful, especially for Daybreak. I knew there were tons of places to send OLs, but I would always forget where during games.
Also, you are missing the small pillars in between the main and nat on TDA that would be green areas.
Ah, I never noticed that, thank you.
It could also be a yellow area seeing as though you can check out one of the gasses on the natural, but that may be too risky |
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| Nightwatch June 26 2012 12:48. Posts 13 | Profile # |
| There some high ground spots missing on the current picture for Tal' Darim Altar. |
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| Monsyphon Canada. June 26 2012 16:06. Posts 178 | Profile Blog # |
On June 26 2012 12:48 Nightwatch wrote:
There some high ground spots missing on the current picture for Tal' Darim Altar.
Where exactly? I'll be quick to add them in |
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| lysergic United States. June 26 2012 16:56. Posts 319 | Profile # |
Almost all of the red lines and yellow dots aren't the ideal path. Scouting patterns differ in each matchup on most maps and really should have separate images. Also might want to add dotted lines for the multiple paths the 1st OL can take. (Ex. Shakuras ZvZ when you don't see his overlord when your halfway across, you know hes cross pos and thus you change your destination.)
I think you should download a lot of DRG/Nestea replays and use those for reference if you're going to post something like this. I'll mention a few of the mistakes.
Antiga Shipyard - send 1st OL towards clockwise spawn. A good reference is Sen vs IMMvp at blizzcon.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6LTPO.jpg)
Green lines - ZvZ. Blue line - ZvT (if you scout them first, then stop at red dot)
Daybreak - the 1st and 2nd OL paths should be switched. 1st overlord goes to natural then between nat+third (ZvP). 2nd overlord goes outside their main (ZvP).
It's not just the glowing squares that are safe, I think you're missing green dots at the little pillars/cliff(s) behind/around third and in other locations.
Entombed Valley - I think drg (and other top zergs) scouts vertical first, but I don't know if thats just on GSL version (no horizontal spawn); worth looking into.
Shakuras Plateau
ZvP 1st OL can go straight towards the horizontal spawns natural (this 'shortcut' will let you see if he went gateway or FFE faster for both horizontal and cross spawn.) Send to safe spot behind natural and check for gas later.
ZvT send 1st OL horizontal, look at the first mineral patch to see if hes there, if so backup then. The point is to not reveal your ovi and to see his main expansions gas timings. After seeing that send it safely around behind his nat. Various DRG replays will show this.
ZvZ horizontal, if you don't see their ovi when your halfway across then move it outside the cross pos natural. If you do see his overlord, move it past his hatch. Here's a screenshot I took from Nestea vs Sheth @ blizzcon:
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Tal'darim Altar - there's a tiny cliff/pillar at the choke between main+natural at each base. 1st/2nd OL paths not right and vary for each matchup on this map.
Ohana - red lines wrong (all matchups)
ZvZ and ZvP: 1st OL goes towards their natural, then to the space between natural and third (you can spot gas and see when rocks are destroyed). ZvT it goes around to far side of map and ends up outside opponents main. The space between main and natural isn't safe in ZvZ, queens can hit OL there (just saw this happen).
There's a lot more but DRGs streaming so i'm done for now. |
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| Mahtasooma Germany. June 26 2012 20:31. Posts 374 | Profile # |
This is ridiculously helpful.
Please keep that up throughout the seasons <3 |
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| kerblaster June 29 2012 06:14. Posts 4 | Profile # |
| I am flabbergasted by how much this guide has helped me obtain dominance of the map while catching those pesky terran drops. I just have one quick question though: Is it wise to pull all my overlords back when the terran has a few vikings whose sole purpose is to hunt overlords (when going infestor style ofc[no mutas]) ? |
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| Monsyphon Canada. June 29 2012 06:32. Posts 178 | Profile Blog # |
On June 29 2012 06:14 kerblaster wrote:
I am flabbergasted by how much this guide has helped me obtain dominance of the map while catching those pesky terran drops. I just have one quick question though: Is it wise to pull all my overlords back when the terran has a few vikings whose sole purpose is to hunt overlords (when going infestor style ofc[no mutas]) ?
It is most definitely wise, or else they will just die. Stick your overlord back to your base near anti-air such as a queen |
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| Clarity_nl Netherlands. June 29 2012 08:41. Posts 3283 | Profile # |
yellow dots required on antiga between the thirds and mains, marines/stalkers cant hit it =]
Nice thread! I feel zerg players are getting all the good threads lately. =] |
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| Probe1 United States. June 29 2012 09:19. Posts 16445 | Profile Blog # |
| I personally don't send overlords to the xel naga watchtowers on daybreak. I'll have lings on the towers and if a unit chases them off then they'll have high ground vision from the tower to snipe the overlord. |
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| Orek June 29 2012 09:24. Posts 1391 | Profile # |
OMG, great work.
I have to wonder why no one has ever done this work before...
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| kerblaster June 29 2012 10:16. Posts 4 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 06:32 Monsyphon wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 06:14 kerblaster wrote:
I am flabbergasted by how much this guide has helped me obtain dominance of the map while catching those pesky terran drops. I just have one quick question though: Is it wise to pull all my overlords back when the terran has a few vikings whose sole purpose is to hunt overlords (when going infestor style ofc[no mutas]) ?
It is most definitely wise, or else they will just die. Stick your overlord back to your base near anti-air such as a queen
I tried doing this on ladder when a viking was out hunting my stray overlords. So I brought all my overlords back to my heavily defended main. The game went to lategame and all of a sudden i hear "Nuclear Launch Detected," I could not find the red dot and so I just moved my main army somewhere else. To my surprise, about half my overlords went missing and got me deeply supply blocked. Do you advise making more overlords than max, and how many? |
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| SamuraiSEA Japan. June 29 2012 12:17. Posts 86 | Profile # |
| Very nice read, thank you |
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| Scurvy United States. July 01 2012 09:57. Posts 109 | Profile # |
Fantastic. One of the most underrated parts of successful Zerg play is proper Overlord placement. I know I still have quite a ways to go until I feel completely confident in placing my overlords in the right places. Thanks for the info!
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