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| ShiroKaisen United States. August 07 2012 13:50. Posts 548 | Profile Blog # |
On August 07 2012 13:46 chester_moistmuffins wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 13:18 ShiroKaisen wrote:
On August 07 2012 06:54 GwSC wrote:
On August 01 2012 22:10 Grettin wrote:
Political shit aside, gotta admit that Olivia Munn did pretty nice performance in ep 6.
Yeah glad someone mentioned it, I actually sort of like her in this, which I am shocked by 
I was just distracted the whole time by how painful her accent was when she was speaking Japanese...it was clear she hadn't ever spoken a lick of it before she memorized those lines.
maybe her accent was bad, I have absolutely no idea, what I do know is that she was an army brat who was raised predominately in Tokyo, Japan from a young age and lived there for quite some time. by her own account she says that she's able to speak conversational japanese since that's where she grew up. not a lick
Oh wow, I had no idea. That's really cool. Respect.
Her accent was probably just her not using it very often then, and not for a long time. |
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| ThezelAudacity United States. August 07 2012 14:29. Posts 27 | Profile # |
The script of this show is going to drive me insane. I'm trying really hard to like it. Really. There are only about 3 other shows still being made that I actually watch, so I'm working as hard as I can to make myself like The Newsroom because there are parts of it that are really good, and it has a lot of potential. But oh my dear lord, the script.
Major spoilers for Episode 6 follow:
+ Show Spoiler +I can accept a certain amount of Sloan going off her rocker, fucking up an interview completely, and spewing Japanese on national television. I can credit that to suspension of disbelief or something like that, and I can get past it. The final scene where Charlie instructs her to go on the air, say essentially "LOL JK GUYZ I NO SPEEK JAPANEEZ," however, almost ruined the entire series for me. Never mind that it flies in the face of the show's own premise, and never mind that there's no way in the nine circles of hell that a news anchor wouldn't have been fired for doing what Sloan did. Here's the real problem: the millions of people who would have seen that episode live, on internet clips, or wherever else who actually do speak Japanese would have a very easy time watching, listening, and understanding that what happened in the interview was most certainly not an issue of mixing up the words for "four" and "seven." It's the most contrived, ludicrous way out of a plot conflict I think I've ever seen. The fact no one will ever mention the occurrence again is preposterous.
I have an issue with how the characters in the show "just happen" to have ready access to the precise thing they need at the precise moment they need it. We saw it as early as the pilot with + Show Spoiler +Jim "just happening" to have connections at BP and Halliburton Sloan "just happening" to have a personal relationship with a spokesman at TEPCO Will "just happening" to play softball with Joe Biden
Griping aside, there are a couple things that the show continues to do well, and those things center primarly on a couple of the character arcs. Jim and Charlie, in my opinion, are both particularly well-designed characters who have outstanding actors propping them up. I think Jeff Daniels is doing some excellent things with a relatively flat character, and as long as he's continuing to put in the performances that he is, he can do a lot to carry the show. Aside from the aforementioned (spoiler tagged) bit regarding Sloan, she's a relatively interesting side character, and Olivia Munn did an admirable job making chicken salad out of her chicken shit script in episode 6. In fact, as much as I'm unimpressed with the writing in that episode, I'm impressed by her work towards turning it into something other than an utter catastrophe. Thomas Sadoski has been acceptable as Don, but his character and writing are so consistently awful that it's hard to give him much credit for anything.
Secondly, while the dialogue is entirely unrealistic and while no one can be as creative and fast-thinking as the characters in the show, the needling and one-liners and snippy interactions the characters have with each other are fun. I like that they all think just a little too fast to be realistic: that's the kind of unrealistic aspect to the script that I can get behind. I'm looking forward to the subtle (or not so subtle) ways that this group of dysfunctional news writers and casters will find to one-up each other and make me laugh self-consciously in the process. More of that. Less of ridiculous relationship melodrama.
Final note: for the love of god and all that is holy, I hope Maggie gets hit by a bus before this season is over. Her character is vapid, Alison Pill has no talent, and every scene she's in is made worse by her presence.Last edit: 2012-08-07 14:30:34 |
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| unkkz Sweden. August 07 2012 15:12. Posts 1270 | Profile Blog # |
On August 07 2012 14:29 ThezelAudacity wrote:The script of this show is going to drive me insane. I'm trying really hard to like it. Really. There are only about 3 other shows still being made that I actually watch, so I'm working as hard as I can to make myself like The Newsroom because there are parts of it that are really good, and it has a lot of potential. But oh my dear lord, the script. Major spoilers for Episode 6 follow: + Show Spoiler +I can accept a certain amount of Sloan going off her rocker, fucking up an interview completely, and spewing Japanese on national television. I can credit that to suspension of disbelief or something like that, and I can get past it. The final scene where Charlie instructs her to go on the air, say essentially "LOL JK GUYZ I NO SPEEK JAPANEEZ," however, almost ruined the entire series for me. Never mind that it flies in the face of the show's own premise, and never mind that there's no way in the nine circles of hell that a news anchor wouldn't have been fired for doing what Sloan did. Here's the real problem: the millions of people who would have seen that episode live, on internet clips, or wherever else who actually do speak Japanese would have a very easy time watching, listening, and understanding that what happened in the interview was most certainly not an issue of mixing up the words for "four" and "seven." It's the most contrived, ludicrous way out of a plot conflict I think I've ever seen. The fact no one will ever mention the occurrence again is preposterous. I have an issue with how the characters in the show "just happen" to have ready access to the precise thing they need at the precise moment they need it. We saw it as early as the pilot with + Show Spoiler +Jim "just happening" to have connections at BP and Halliburton , and most recently (episode 6) with + Show Spoiler +Sloan "just happening" to have a personal relationship with a spokesman at TEPCO and (episode 7) with + Show Spoiler +Will "just happening" to play softball with Joe Biden . It's too convenient, and it's lazy script writing. I've grown to expect that they're going to gain early, inside access to whatever story occurs because the writers are going to decide that some random cast member is the superhuman this episode. It's past the point of unrealistic: it creates the "superhero" problem where you know that the main character can't be defeated because he's just too powerful. It eliminates dramatic tension, and makes the show ultimately uninteresting. Griping aside, there are a couple things that the show continues to do well, and those things center primarly on a couple of the character arcs. Jim and Charlie, in my opinion, are both particularly well-designed characters who have outstanding actors propping them up. I think Jeff Daniels is doing some excellent things with a relatively flat character, and as long as he's continuing to put in the performances that he is, he can do a lot to carry the show. Aside from the aforementioned (spoiler tagged) bit regarding Sloan, she's a relatively interesting side character, and Olivia Munn did an admirable job making chicken salad out of her chicken shit script in episode 6. In fact, as much as I'm unimpressed with the writing in that episode, I'm impressed by her work towards turning it into something other than an utter catastrophe. Thomas Sadoski has been acceptable as Don, but his character and writing are so consistently awful that it's hard to give him much credit for anything. Secondly, while the dialogue is entirely unrealistic and while no one can be as creative and fast-thinking as the characters in the show, the needling and one-liners and snippy interactions the characters have with each other are fun. I like that they all think just a little too fast to be realistic: that's the kind of unrealistic aspect to the script that I can get behind. I'm looking forward to the subtle (or not so subtle) ways that this group of dysfunctional news writers and casters will find to one-up each other and make me laugh self-consciously in the process. More of that. Less of ridiculous relationship melodrama. Final note: for the love of god and all that is holy, I hope Maggie gets hit by a bus before this season is over. Her character is vapid, Alison Pill has no talent, and every scene she's in is made worse by her presence.
How do you think journalists get tips? It's alot to do with networking. And the japanese thing, i doubt they care much about the japanese market, the american one is what matters as always. Hence even if they did screw up in the eyes of the world, as long as they convince the american market its all good. As for plot holes like that well, it's not really a major thing and shows do that all the time. Take House for instance, 9/10 episodes he just finds the answer himself in the end in some epiphany out of nowhere. You can't always write clewer resolutions to a conflict/event, in the case of house though i blame lazy writers but so far its happened once in this show so not gonna bitch at it just yet.
And while i agree Maggie is weird to say the least, her interactions with Jim are good and they complement each other nicely when they interact so i vote for stopping the bus for a bit and see where the Maggie + Jim part goes.Last edit: 2012-08-07 15:14:15 |
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| Bripster United States. August 10 2012 11:11. Posts 4 | Profile # |
| Just watched "Bullies". What a great episode! |
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 zalz Netherlands. August 13 2012 20:15. Posts 3291 | Profile Blog # |
A story about a woman murdering her child? Sensationalism!
A story about internet trolls? Inform the public! |
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| kickazs Norway. August 16 2012 08:08. Posts 529 | Profile # |
Pretty entertaining episode (no.8 )
Some cheesy acting, but made me laugh a few times  |
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| Tachion August 21 2012 21:28. Posts 6978 | Profile # |
this week was terrible D: I'm so tired of the jim/maggie run around, and now he accidentally got back together with lisa, give me a break. The whole internet troll side arc was horrible too. It's so obvious that an old fart is writing this :|
I still like will and mackenzie though. |
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| Noonius Estonia. August 21 2012 21:40. Posts 339 | Profile # |
| at least in the troll story they were using irc to display chat and not something really really dumb like msn or what have you |
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| Vega62a August 21 2012 21:50. Posts 696 | Profile Blog # |
On August 07 2012 13:18 ShiroKaisen wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 06:54 GwSC wrote:
On August 01 2012 22:10 Grettin wrote:
Political shit aside, gotta admit that Olivia Munn did pretty nice performance in ep 6.
Yeah glad someone mentioned it, I actually sort of like her in this, which I am shocked by
I was just distracted the whole time by how painful her accent was when she was speaking Japanese...it was clear she hadn't ever spoken a lick of it before she memorized those lines. And I pretty much echo the general opinion of this show. Preachy but does a great job when it gets itself rolling, and Jim/Maggie is hands-down far and away the worst part of the show.
Her accent was pretty decent, actually. It sounded like an American who has learned Japanese without ever spending a lot of time getting her accent down (not as uncommon as you'd think, even at a university). If I remember right, she pronounced her syllables generally correctly, just with a bit of an edge to them that comes from being an American. Her intonation and flow (specifically, where in her sentences she put her emphasis, she kept dropping a heavy emphasis on particles and honorifics) was what was a bit jarring to me.
And I'm still waiting for somebody to explain why Jim and Maggie is so painful to them. It's not massively riveting, but I haven't felt the excruciating agony that posters are claiming. Last edit: 2012-08-21 21:54:44 |
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| esperanto Germany. August 27 2012 21:44. Posts 345 | Profile Blog # |
Just watched the last episode. This show is so great, had tears in my eyes in the end.
Why cant be more parts of the world be this idealistic? |
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| karpo Sweden. August 27 2012 21:45. Posts 1998 | Profile # |
On August 27 2012 21:44 esperanto wrote:
Just watched the last episode. This show is so great, had tears in my eyes in the end.
Why cant be more parts of the world be this idealistic?
Haha i felt the exact opposite. I was actually angry at how bad the last two episodes were. |
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| Scareb Germany. August 28 2012 00:27. Posts 125 | Profile # |
| I just finished the last episode and it was great and made me a little sad. I really hope the news in the USA arent that bad as that show did make them look. |
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| ShiroKaisen United States. August 28 2012 03:09. Posts 548 | Profile Blog # |
On August 28 2012 00:27 Scareb wrote:
I just finished the last episode and it was great and made me a little sad. I really hope the news in the USA arent that bad as that show did make them look.
Honestly...it is that bad.
I enjoyed the last episode a lot, but I can't help but feel it all amounted to an idealistic fantasy for Aaron Sorkin - that smackdown at the end is exactly what any sane person has wanted to do for years, and he finally got to do it through his proxy, Will McAvoy - the "sane Republican."
He's completely 100% right though, we could do with some real Republicans taking a stand. Too bad they won't. |
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 {CC}StealthBlue United States. August 28 2012 04:09. Posts 15343 | Profile Blog # |
I was expecting near the end for + Show Spoiler +Will Mcavoy to be shot or something. |
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| Razakel Ireland. August 28 2012 04:56. Posts 466 | Profile # |
On August 28 2012 04:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:I was expecting near the end for + Show Spoiler +Will Mcavoy to be shot or something. the way the music and camera angles were being presented.
I thought the exact same thing + Show Spoiler +I thought when his bodyguard opened the car door for him, he'd get shot.
I quite enjoyed the last few episodes though, they're coming down really hard on + Show Spoiler + |
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| chester_moistmuffins August 28 2012 05:04. Posts 16 | Profile # |
This show has moments of absolute greatness, it makes me wish that that Newsroom was real and that I could work in it. The dialogue is some of the funniest I have ever heard in my life, it's obviously completely unrealistic a lot of the time, as no one can be that witty let alone everyone in the entire show, but it's not something that could detract from the overall quality in my opinion, this is tv afterall.
I really enjoy the way this show uses real life stories and footage to portray their news, I think it's really clever and the greatness I was talking about stems from their coverage of real events. I love the cast, there's no one I don't like, I'm looking forward to season 2. |
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| green.at Austria. August 28 2012 05:09. Posts 1439 | Profile Blog # |
| Not gonna read posts in here cause i just started, but i gotta say i like the show. But ti be honest, i have to look up a looooooot of things. ^^ |
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| zalz Netherlands. August 28 2012 05:32. Posts 3291 | Profile Blog # |
What are people talking about?
In what way was the news on the show any different from a night of MSNBC? I hate the tea-party more than anyone else, but I don't understand how curb-stomping a non-violent political movement is the height of press integrity.
Like, what? Two eps ago they cried about how wrong it was to harp so much on the mother killing her child, then they make a giant sob-fest about the black woman being unable to vote.
They continually go against their own "ethics" like racing to report the news in episode 1, then bashing companies that rush the news to get a scoop...
Nothing they do in this show is revolutionairy, or any different from what CNN puts on the air.
Did it ever occur to anyone that they only stories they talked about in this show, were actual news stories that were, ooh, I don't know, covered on the news...
I don't hate it, it has some saving graces, but it needs to get its head out of its own ass. It isn't doing the news any differently from the basic news. |
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| coverpunch United States. August 28 2012 05:48. Posts 604 | Profile # |
On August 28 2012 05:32 zalz wrote:
What are people talking about?
In what way was the news on the show any different from a night of MSNBC? I hate the tea-party more than anyone else, but I don't understand how curb-stomping a non-violent political movement is the height of press integrity.
Like, what? Two eps ago they cried about how wrong it was to harp so much on the mother killing her child, then they make a giant sob-fest about the black woman being unable to vote.
They continually go against their own "ethics" like racing to report the news in episode 1, then bashing companies that rush the news to get a scoop...
Nothing they do in this show is revolutionairy, or any different from what CNN puts on the air.
Did it ever occur to anyone that they only stories they talked about in this show, were actual news stories that were, ooh, I don't know, covered on the news...
I don't hate it, it has some saving graces, but it needs to get its head out of its own ass. It isn't doing the news any differently from the basic news.
The message is supposed to be a return to professional journalism with a common sense opinion. Anderson Cooper is probably a pretty good representation so you're right, it's not all that different from CNN. The contrast is to more extreme and more popular hosts like Bill O'Reilly or Rachel Maddow. |
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| TigerKarl August 28 2012 06:15. Posts 1482 | Profile # |
| I really enjoyed the show for trying to restore sanity, but i doubt that it even reached a single person who would benefit from seeing this, and if they've seen it i guess that made their thoughts even more radical than they were before. |
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