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Guardian85 June 26 2012 17:14. Posts 162

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Forbidden lab.

Playable size: 148-132

Map description:

This forbidden space platform lab, was discoverd just recently.

The platform was used for scientists experimenting with liquifying highly consentrated Vespene gas, and minerals injected into marines, to try enhance their abilities.

The platform was abandoned in chaos, but mostly intact.

Image 1: Overview
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Image 2: Tilted overview
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Ingame images:
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Image 3: 7 o'clock startlocation.
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Image 4: 2nd base
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Image 5: Behind second base.
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Image 6: 4th choice A
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Image 7: 5th supervisor tower at 2 o'clock
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Image 8: 3rd supervisor tower at 5 o'clock
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Image 9: 4th choice B, with Xel'naga tower, and "Supervisor platform" 90 degree angle ccw.
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Image 10: 4th choice B, Players angle.
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Image 11: Center Aesthetics.
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Image 12: Center close up.
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Image 13: Center Aesthetics.
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Image 14: Double ramp, near center leading to 4th Choice A
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Image 15: 4th Choice A, other side of map, with Supervisor tower on 7 o'clock.
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Image 16: Second base, other side of the map, with Aesthetics.
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Image 17: Xel'naga tower, with Core ramps.
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Image 18: Mainbase 2 o'clock, with Aesthetics and background.
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Image 19: Summary ( it does give some misindicating info, but thought i'd post it for some more describing overview )
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Image 20: MS paint Summary.
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Green - Ramps.

Pink - Xel'naga tower.

White - Rocks.

Red - Supervisor towers ( high ground - Cannot be build on)

Yellow dots - No air space. ( This is to prevent players from "hiding" aircrafts in the structures ).

Blue - LOS blocker.

The map is identical mirrored, except a few details here and there, in textures and visual effects.

New Map version updated. v1.9

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Download:
Forbidden-lab.SC2Map
Map released in EU, this download is for other regions.

PS: The overview might look at little boring, with few colors, but its completely different ingame.

Last edit: 2012-06-29 07:26:24

Semmo Korea (South). June 26 2012 17:29. Posts 417

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good job with the base layouts this time, I can see you're improving.
Obviously there are some problems:
No cardinal ramps please. You HAVE to use a diagonal one.
Some bases are way too far away/neutral to be any use in the actual game.
The natural is way too far away from the main, and there is no choke.
going up 2 level cliffs at once is just not good.
keep making maps, you'll get better, and I can already see it.

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Guardian85 June 26 2012 17:38. Posts 162

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On June 26 2012 17:29 kim9067 wrote:
good job with the base layouts this time, I can see you're improving.
Obviously there are some problems:
No cardinal ramps please. You HAVE to use a diagonal one.
Some bases are way too far away/neutral to be any use in the actual game.
The natural is way too far away from the main, and there is no choke.
going up 2 level cliffs at once is just not good.
keep making maps, you'll get better, and I can already see it.

Thanks for your feedback, but i dont find much valid, the map hasnt been posted for more then a minute before you reply, you havent seen it ingame, and not tested it.
You made a rough asumption.

The cardinal ramps on this map, is to give variety, and challenge.. and theres not many of them. and they are all fairly small.

double ramp to make it more interesting.

And i dont see how any of the bases beyond base 3 is of much importance anyways.. the bases are there for use.. but in high stake play, you'll barely ever see anyone ever take a 4th even.. the map is basicly over once they've gotten 3 bases.

But thats just my opinion ofc.

(im in a bad mood today, been sleeping crap, due to 100 of seagulls making baby seagulls outside my bedroom, its like sleeping in a zoo)

Last edit: 2012-06-26 17:51:40

ihasaKAROT Netherlands. June 26 2012 18:05. Posts 3434

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@Guardian, please dont shoot down all the comments. You need the ramps diagonal because of forcefielding and blocking off. Its just how the game works unfortunately.

Second, the natural is too far away. You dont need to play it too see that. Same with the choke not being there. Its not there on the overview, its not gonna be there in a playtest. You need the natural closer (1 creeptumor is a good standard to go by) and you need some sort of choke at the natural, not a ramp right next to it.

Going up a double ramp isnt such a bad thing, its not ideal but not gamebreaking.

You are in a bad mood, dont take it out on the people that try to help your map get better tho, if u want more advice in the future.

KCCO!

Guardian85 June 26 2012 18:14. Posts 162

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Well, ill stay away from commenting..

ihasaKAROT Netherlands. June 26 2012 18:24. Posts 3434

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Yeah thats exactly what i ment...

Just saying you shouldnt ask for comments if you dont want to look at them and your map. Its not like hes asking you to change the whole map, theres some things that HAVE to be changed to even be considered a good map to play on.

KCCO!

Guardian85 June 26 2012 19:10. Posts 162

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New Map version updated. v1.7

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Last edit: 2012-06-27 04:13:22

Guardian85 June 26 2012 23:31. Posts 162

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Sorry for being so cranky, just had a nap.. since the seagulls are now on the city garbage dump eating them fat. I could finally get some shuteye.
My head was aching, sorry for snapping.

Btw heeded the call on diagonal ramps..

TheFish7 United States. June 27 2012 00:38. Posts 1284

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You are definitely improving, Guardian. The layout looks alot like Cloud Kingdom... 5th base should be brought closer to the 3rd, imo.

What is this talk about seagulls?

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Guardian85 June 27 2012 01:00. Posts 162

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The layout has inspiration from CK.

And the seagulls talk is basicly just an element of a bad day.

FlaShFTW United States. June 27 2012 01:09. Posts 4999

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natural choke needs to be smaller for easier forge fe. can tanks seige the mineral line from behind the overlord hidey spot?

i know what ur trying to do with the middle bases, but i just dont like them. it doesn't seem to flow naturally into the map. one entrance to defend, surrounded by high ground so this will basically be shut down if you try to take it, unless you keep your entire army sitting on it, which would allow others to just counter attack your undefended natural. I dunno, it offers more attacks for the enemy, than helps you. 5th and 4th are too close together, should move them.

if you want that kind of the optional 4th, i suggest it not have a one ramp entrance. maybe give it an antigua styled middle base, but face the minerals toward the middle instead of away.

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Guardian85 June 27 2012 01:56. Posts 162

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On June 27 2012 01:09 FlaShFTW wrote:
natural choke needs to be smaller for easier forge fe. can tanks seige the mineral line from behind the overlord hidey spot?

i know what ur trying to do with the middle bases, but i just dont like them. it doesn't seem to flow naturally into the map. one entrance to defend, surrounded by high ground so this will basically be shut down if you try to take it, unless you keep your entire army sitting on it, which would allow others to just counter attack your undefended natural. I dunno, it offers more attacks for the enemy, than helps you. 5th and 4th are too close together, should move them.

if you want that kind of the optional 4th, i suggest it not have a one ramp entrance. maybe give it an antigua styled middle base, but face the minerals toward the middle instead of away.

Ok something to keep in mind, but my goal was to have a 4th that was open, and one closed in.
One which is voulnerable to melee, one that is voulnerable to ranged.
Then the player is the one to choose if its worth defending it, or just let it get wrecked and rebuild it instead.

can tanks seige the mineral line from behind the overlord hidey spot?

Please refer to which base your talking about.
And its not a overlord hidey spot, you can drop units up there. ( but ofcourse you can use it for both )

Last edit: 2012-06-27 02:01:22

Guardian85 June 27 2012 02:17. Posts 162

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Heres a quick overview:
Hope it answers your siege question.

Natural (2nd base)
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3rd
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Between 3rd and 4th choice B
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4th choice A
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4th choice B
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5th
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between 5th and 4th
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FlaShFTW United States. June 27 2012 02:24. Posts 4999

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no. at the natural, theres the big chunk of unpathable highground thats behind the mineral line. can tanks shoot from behind that to the mienral line?

and i think you should remove the one at the natural. tanks too imba on that.

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Guardian85 June 27 2012 02:35. Posts 162

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On June 27 2012 02:24 FlaShFTW wrote:
no. at the natural, theres the big chunk of unpathable highground thats behind the mineral line. can tanks shoot from behind that to the mienral line?

and i think you should remove the one at the natural. tanks too imba on that.

Oh, from there.. hmm let me see..

By the time you've gotten your tank up there anyways, you've started producing flying units.. if your enemy isnt totally luck and survived until now, he better have flying units by now too.. one unit to spot the tank, can even flank up beside the edge of the map and between unpathable highgrounds.

I dont know if its too imba, but its supposed to give a clear advantage. (once the siege shoots its visible anyways).

FlaShFTW United States. June 27 2012 02:41. Posts 4999

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well you cant assume everything. this would basically be the same thing as taldarim, just without the highground to shoot back down. remember, maps are maps. we talk about what's exploitable and whats not, we dont assume what will happen. we cant assume that X will happen, but Y will already have happened.

but yes, i guess. if its the same as taldarim, then it wont really matter.

Never Surrender. Never GG. Always Fighting. BW4LYF. Woo Jung Ho Never Forget.

Guardian85 June 27 2012 02:53. Posts 162

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Heres the siege test of natural:

Full vision
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No vision
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semi vision
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one unit vision
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They reach the extractor, and 3 maybe 4 mineral nodes, but only if provided vision from air, or a ground unit runs in over the ramp.

Guardian85 June 27 2012 02:58. Posts 162

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On June 27 2012 02:41 FlaShFTW wrote:
well you cant assume everything. this would basically be the same thing as taldarim, just without the highground to shoot back down. remember, maps are maps. we talk about what's exploitable and whats not, we dont assume what will happen. we cant assume that X will happen, but Y will already have happened.

but yes, i guess. if its the same as taldarim, then it wont really matter.

Your probably one of the most eager feedbackers on the forum, and i appreciate that your trying to help me out.

Forgive my unnormal way of thinking.
I have a list of serious diagnoses, and some of them reflects directly through how i think, and how i interact with people.. i dont wish to list them right now.. but i just hope you might understand i dont try intentionally to be an a$$hole.

FlaShFTW United States. June 27 2012 03:02. Posts 4999

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On June 27 2012 02:58 Guardian85 wrote:

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nononononononono!!!! i didn't mean anything harmful in my post! i'm only stating you can't assume everything. please don't take that as offense!

assuming can help sometimes tbh. i mean its zergs fault if they didnt go mutas yet or dont have a large enough army to stop this. as long as the tanks cant hit the actual base, then its fine.

can they do that are the third? if so, might wanna make it unpathable, or farther away.

but please, dont take anything i say as offense unless i say something rude. but i try not to do that when im helping others here.

Never Surrender. Never GG. Always Fighting. BW4LYF. Woo Jung Ho Never Forget.

Guardian85 June 27 2012 03:21. Posts 162

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Well i guess it speaks for it self, how i react. But dont worry, you havent insulted.

About 3rd tower hmm i guess i should move that tower a bit yes.

on both the 4th you can, however none of them are visually blocked.
So its a high risk, high gain kinda thing, but 4th watch towers are just as easily used for attack, as defence imo.

Last edit: 2012-06-27 04:54:07

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