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| Nitrogen United States. June 28 2012 14:10. Posts 5298 | Profile Blog # |
On June 27 2012 13:47 tRavE wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 08:42 Seiferz wrote:3. Korean - I can read/write/understand simple and conversational korean. I started learning in January and I use TTMIK mainly while watching a lot of shows/dramas/etc to supplement and reinforce grammatical constructions.
This one just stood out to me, but all these people saying they can understand conversational Korean or what they hear in the commentary videos/streams and it's grammar after months or maybe even a year is ABSOLUTELY comical. I've been studying it 5 days a week since last October until now, excluding a 2 week Christmas break and a few federal holidays here in the US and I still have trouble with it. 8 hours a day in class, 5 days a week, all Korean. Including HW and self-study on weeknights/weekends its easily 50+ hours a week. Do that math, that's a lot of hours. Plus, I watch dramas and movies almost daily in Korean, talk to Korean people, all my teachers are native speakers. I'm also first in my class and pick it up the fastest, so don't try to make excuses, stop trying to flex your e-peens and lie about that shit. ESPECIALLY when your native tongue is something other than an asian language. Just my 2 cents, anyways, good luck on your endeavor, once I finish Korean, I was thinking of picking up Mandarin and Japanese to make me more versatile at my job. Good luck!
haha, do you happen to be in DLI's Korean course? |
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| EtherealDeath United States. June 28 2012 14:12. Posts 8158 | Profile Blog # |
On June 28 2012 14:10 Nitrogen wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 13:47 tRavE wrote:
On June 27 2012 08:42 Seiferz wrote:3. Korean - I can read/write/understand simple and conversational korean. I started learning in January and I use TTMIK mainly while watching a lot of shows/dramas/etc to supplement and reinforce grammatical constructions.
This one just stood out to me, but all these people saying they can understand conversational Korean or what they hear in the commentary videos/streams and it's grammar after months or maybe even a year is ABSOLUTELY comical. I've been studying it 5 days a week since last October until now, excluding a 2 week Christmas break and a few federal holidays here in the US and I still have trouble with it. 8 hours a day in class, 5 days a week, all Korean. Including HW and self-study on weeknights/weekends its easily 50+ hours a week. Do that math, that's a lot of hours. Plus, I watch dramas and movies almost daily in Korean, talk to Korean people, all my teachers are native speakers. I'm also first in my class and pick it up the fastest, so don't try to make excuses, stop trying to flex your e-peens and lie about that shit. ESPECIALLY when your native tongue is something other than an asian language. Just my 2 cents, anyways, good luck on your endeavor, once I finish Korean, I was thinking of picking up Mandarin and Japanese to make me more versatile at my job. Good luck!
haha, do you happen to be in DLI's Korean course?
Sure sounds like it! |
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| andReslic June 28 2012 14:13. Posts 200 | Profile # |
I know english and spanish, mainly spanish since its my first language, the way i learned english its a bit weird, i started playing games where everyone only speak english and thats the way i learn, I also learned in the school, mostly in games lol.
So if you ever wanted to practice your spanish hit me up with a conversation :D
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| EtherealDeath United States. June 29 2012 09:18. Posts 8158 | Profile Blog # |
| Oh, and if you happen to be learning mandarin, you should definitely sign up for Skritter, especially if you're on an iOS device. $10/month but fucking amazing for learning to read and write new vocab at an unbelievable rate. Of course the grammar you will have to learn elsewhere. |
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| tRavE United States. June 29 2012 12:49. Posts 21 | Profile # |
On June 28 2012 14:10 Nitrogen wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 13:47 tRavE wrote:
On June 27 2012 08:42 Seiferz wrote:3. Korean - I can read/write/understand simple and conversational korean. I started learning in January and I use TTMIK mainly while watching a lot of shows/dramas/etc to supplement and reinforce grammatical constructions.
This one just stood out to me, but all these people saying they can understand conversational Korean or what they hear in the commentary videos/streams and it's grammar after months or maybe even a year is ABSOLUTELY comical. I've been studying it 5 days a week since last October until now, excluding a 2 week Christmas break and a few federal holidays here in the US and I still have trouble with it. 8 hours a day in class, 5 days a week, all Korean. Including HW and self-study on weeknights/weekends its easily 50+ hours a week. Do that math, that's a lot of hours. Plus, I watch dramas and movies almost daily in Korean, talk to Korean people, all my teachers are native speakers. I'm also first in my class and pick it up the fastest, so don't try to make excuses, stop trying to flex your e-peens and lie about that shit. ESPECIALLY when your native tongue is something other than an asian language. Just my 2 cents, anyways, good luck on your endeavor, once I finish Korean, I was thinking of picking up Mandarin and Japanese to make me more versatile at my job. Good luck!
haha, do you happen to be in DLI's Korean course?
Most definitely not, I don't even know what that is.
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| Nitrogen United States. June 29 2012 13:11. Posts 5298 | Profile Blog # |
On June 29 2012 12:49 tRavE wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 14:10 Nitrogen wrote:
On June 27 2012 13:47 tRavE wrote:
On June 27 2012 08:42 Seiferz wrote:3. Korean - I can read/write/understand simple and conversational korean. I started learning in January and I use TTMIK mainly while watching a lot of shows/dramas/etc to supplement and reinforce grammatical constructions.
This one just stood out to me, but all these people saying they can understand conversational Korean or what they hear in the commentary videos/streams and it's grammar after months or maybe even a year is ABSOLUTELY comical. I've been studying it 5 days a week since last October until now, excluding a 2 week Christmas break and a few federal holidays here in the US and I still have trouble with it. 8 hours a day in class, 5 days a week, all Korean. Including HW and self-study on weeknights/weekends its easily 50+ hours a week. Do that math, that's a lot of hours. Plus, I watch dramas and movies almost daily in Korean, talk to Korean people, all my teachers are native speakers. I'm also first in my class and pick it up the fastest, so don't try to make excuses, stop trying to flex your e-peens and lie about that shit. ESPECIALLY when your native tongue is something other than an asian language. Just my 2 cents, anyways, good luck on your endeavor, once I finish Korean, I was thinking of picking up Mandarin and Japanese to make me more versatile at my job. Good luck!
haha, do you happen to be in DLI's Korean course?
Most definitely not, I don't even know what that is.
lol, alright man whatever you say
p.s. what service are you?Last edit: 2012-06-29 13:22:15 |
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| tRavE United States. June 29 2012 13:59. Posts 21 | Profile # |
| Most likely the same as you, based on your signature. |
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| Nitrogen United States. June 29 2012 14:05. Posts 5298 | Profile Blog # | |
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| tRavE United States. June 29 2012 14:09. Posts 21 | Profile # | |
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| Blennd United States. June 29 2012 14:23. Posts 256 | Profile # |
On June 27 2012 03:36 TheKwas wrote:
I've always kinda been annoyed by people insisting who insist they speak 4+ languages. Often, their definition of "I can speak language X" is really "I can make my way through a children's book, but heaven forbid I try to watch a movie in that language and understand what's being said at all times".
Soooo much this. I always regretted being monolingual, until I learned that by facebook standards, I'm trilingual! |
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| iMAniaC Norway. June 29 2012 18:37. Posts 464 | Profile # |
When I was younger, I, too, would have jumped at a challenge to learn 10 languages, and I was off to a good start, growing up bilingual with Norwegian and Finnish, learning English at school and later taking French and German. Then I studied physics for a while and forgot most of what I had learned in my German classes :/ Disappointed at that, I decided to learn languages that I would be able to retain and opted for Japanese, because I watched anime at the time. I still watch some anime and have transitioned into J-dramas, so I haven't forgotten everything, but I have surely forgotten a lot of kanji...
So my advice is to learn languages which you think you'll be able to retain so you don't get disappointed at forgetting them. I would skip latin, because I don't really think you'll be using it after you've learned it. Even French/German/Italian will be a challenge to retain if you don't already have or acquire a taste for television shows or literature in those languages.
Also, people argue about how well you need to know a language in order to be fluent in it, but I'd say that it's actually unimportant and the important thing is to have fun with it. Personally, though, I'd say that you're fluent if you're able to talk with someone and they don't notice that it's not your mother tongue, so by that standard, I only know Norwegian fluently.
My languages, with realistic goals, would be:
1. Norwegian (Fluently)
2. English (Almost fluently. No intention of learning it fluently)
3. Finnish (Can read novels, watch television and speak with people, albeit with an accent and some mistakes in grammar. Want to learn fluently, but it's not going to happen unless I move there)
4. Japanese (Can speak with people about everyday things, read manga with a dictionary. Want to learn as well as English, but don't think It's going to happen)
5. French (Can read Astérix and Tintin without dictionary and speak a bit if I get to "warm up". Want to learn as well as English, but don't think it's going to happen).
6. German (Can read stuff with the help of a dictionary, not able to speak it. No intention of improving it).
7. Korean (Want to learn it at some point. Only know Hangul).
Of course, going by facebook standards and being European, I could easily add half a dozen other languages which resemble those I already know, but I won't bother. It would also be really awesome to learn Spanish, Mandarin and Russian at some point, but I don't think I'll ever try, just because I'll forget them again immediately. |
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| JieXian Malaysia. June 29 2012 18:50. Posts 2398 | Profile Blog # |
On June 28 2012 08:11 laegoose wrote:
I hope it is appropriate to ask here, why would you need to learn Russian? Because of classical writers and poets?
I don't think anybody gives a damn about classical writers and poets in this era lol
It's usually for business/jobs/travelling .. or for fun :DLast edit: 2012-06-29 19:35:17 |
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| Sumahi Guam. June 29 2012 19:00. Posts 4936 | Profile Blog # |
I only know two, and I was thinking about adding one more before I die, but dang, the thought of adding eight more freaks me out. I might have to give up being a SC2 nerd and instead become a Rosetta Stone nerd.
I think it is a noble goal though, something that is symbolically powerful. |
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| Sephy90 United States. June 29 2012 19:21. Posts 1687 | Profile Blog # |
Ooohh I'm basically already doing this! My goal is just to learn as many languages as my mind can take. I really do plan on learning Korean and Japanese and to improve my Spanish a bit too. I'm currently working on my 3rd language which is Korean of course hehehe. I am quite interested in learning Spanish from Spain though...
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English - Learned
Spanish - Learned
Korean - I know a tad but I can understand so much more with context which helps me figure out what's going on/what people are saying. Reading skills have improved quite a bit and I haven't tried writing it yet besides typing.. lol. I've been improving a lot since I speak with native Koreans everyday! |
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| Apolo Portugal. June 29 2012 19:27. Posts 1216 | Profile # |
This guy http://www.fluentin3months.com/ basically does what OP suggests and then more...
To learn a language as fast as possible you have to immerse yourself in it:
1) try to think in that language, even if the sentences go out wrong
2) change the browser's language, etc to the language your learning
3) put pictures and their respective words in the language your learning around the house
4) take pictures with your camera, go back to your computer and put the names of those things on MSPaint
5) learn simple conversational conectors that make you able to connect frases, ask questions, etc
I did this for german, and was surprised at how fast i was improving.  Though at the time i was on vacation and had nothign better to do, it can be hard on a everyday basis.Last edit: 2012-06-29 19:27:50 |
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| -_-Quails Australia. June 29 2012 19:36. Posts 793 | Profile # |
On June 29 2012 14:23 Blennd wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 03:36 TheKwas wrote:
I've always kinda been annoyed by people insisting who insist they speak 4+ languages. Often, their definition of "I can speak language X" is really "I can make my way through a children's book, but heaven forbid I try to watch a movie in that language and understand what's being said at all times".
Soooo much this. I always regretted being monolingual, until I learned that by facebook standards, I'm trilingual!
The criteria I use to define competency in a language* are:
- Capable of tertiary level academic work through the language
- Navigating everyday life and official paperwork in the language wherever applicable
- Capable of making a 5-minute impromptu speech on a variety of subjects or a 10 to 20-minute speech with a few days of preparation
- Translating to and from that language to any other language in which you are competent
- Consuming a variety of media in the language including films, books and news in textual and video form
- Capable of composing texts suitable for a variety of audiences including professional and personal written correspondance
- Familiarity with the culture of native speakers great enough to know most common idioms, nicknames for landmarks, key variations from standard (e.g. Are accents included or omitted from txt or IM communication?)
I know several people who do possess that level of competency in 4 or more languages - they are mostly, but not universally, either linguists or translators. By my criteria, I am either close to bilingual or bilingual and have limited knowledge of several other languages. By Facebook standards I speak 3 or 4 languages.
* By these criteria, many people would not be considered competent in any language. This is very much a maximal definition of competency. It made sense to use a maximal definition when raised in a group where functional/minimal bi- to pentalingualism is the norm.
On June 29 2012 18:50 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 08:11 laegoose wrote:
I hope it is appropriate to ask here, why would you need to learn Russian? Because of classical writers and poets?
I don't think anybody gives a damn about classical writers and poets in this era lol
You are so very, very wrong. Last edit: 2012-06-29 19:39:51 |
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 Surth Germany. June 29 2012 19:36. Posts 119 | Profile Blog # |
I know German, obviously, what with living in Germany and all that...
I speak English fluently due to 9 years of reading, writing, listening to and speaking an awful lot of English. Thanks, internet! <3
I had 4 years of latin but I'm not too good at reading it.
Now planning to learn portuguese. And finally, a few years down the road, a scandinavian language, possibly swedish or maybe icelandic... Thats four languages + bits of latin. Good enough for me. |
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| SilSol Sweden. June 29 2012 20:02. Posts 2665 | Profile # |
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| 501TFX Austria. June 29 2012 20:26. Posts 323 | Profile # |
I don't even know if I would be interested in 10 languages ... Atleast these I are which I really want to learn to perfection in my life:
German (I'm Austrian, so I grew up with German)
English (because of TL and SC2 I can speak English fluently, but it's faaaar from perfect)
Korean (not because of SC, but I just love the language)
The rest is written in the stars.
By the way, how do you learn the best for yourself, when you don't want to go to a language class or don't have access to one?Last edit: 2012-06-29 20:27:05 |
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| NonFactor Sweden. June 29 2012 21:01. Posts 665 | Profile Blog # |
On June 29 2012 19:36 -_-Quails wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 14:23 Blennd wrote:
On June 27 2012 03:36 TheKwas wrote:
I've always kinda been annoyed by people insisting who insist they speak 4+ languages. Often, their definition of "I can speak language X" is really "I can make my way through a children's book, but heaven forbid I try to watch a movie in that language and understand what's being said at all times".
Soooo much this. I always regretted being monolingual, until I learned that by facebook standards, I'm trilingual!
The criteria I use to define competency in a language* are: - Capable of tertiary level academic work through the language - Navigating everyday life and official paperwork in the language wherever applicable - Capable of making a 5-minute impromptu speech on a variety of subjects or a 10 to 20-minute speech with a few days of preparation - Translating to and from that language to any other language in which you are competent - Consuming a variety of media in the language including films, books and news in textual and video form - Capable of composing texts suitable for a variety of audiences including professional and personal written correspondance - Familiarity with the culture of native speakers great enough to know most common idioms, nicknames for landmarks, key variations from standard (e.g. Are accents included or omitted from txt or IM communication?) I know several people who do possess that level of competency in 4 or more languages - they are mostly, but not universally, either linguists or translators. By my criteria, I am either close to bilingual or bilingual and have limited knowledge of several other languages. By Facebook standards I speak 3 or 4 languages. * By these criteria, many people would not be considered competent in any language. This is very much a maximal definition of competency. It made sense to use a maximal definition when raised in a group where functional/minimal bi- to pentalingualism is the norm.
I think these are good standards, they are strict but fair if you expect to use the language in a professional enviroment. (Which is the motivation for many people when it comes to learning a foreign language, especially Chinese.) I personally don't have that strict standards for myself, but I'm leaning towards it.
And yeah, personally I don't know anyone capable of living up to those standards on more languages then 4. I can do it in 3 languages, since I more or less grew up with 3 languages, and have been forced to use all 3 in academic work and business settings.
Like I mentioned earlier, what standards you expect from yourself is probably the most important question. When have you ''learned'' a language is an important distinction to make. The person above has very strict definition of it. Some people seem to have a bit more loose definition. (I see people who grew up monolingual talking about ''learning'' 9 languages.) By the standards mentioned above, I'd dare to call it impossible. At least before you turn 30. But if your definition of ''learned'' is ordering a beer and having a conversation about the weather and so on, well, it should very well be possible.
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