SSB-64 Mafia - Page 43

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On July 06 2012 13:33 HiroPro wrote:
Man this game is so fucked up. I can't even figure out grush at this point... I'm going to talk to s&b tomorrow before I decide what to do.

The chances of an independent shot being the same as the mafia shot is pretty low... It's weird as hell for a scum player to reveal that they made a shot like that but it's also really strange from a town perspective to shoot someone who you didn't even mention the day before (especially when there's two people who you called scum available to shoot).

And connections are so shit to use when you don't have dead scum to make them off... But with grush, I have literally no other way to figure out his alignment, lol. I just don't see a scum team that grush could be part of (talismania+grush is laughable (2 scum up for lynch on day 1, lol? not to mention grush voting for talis), HrB was a fairly key vote in grush being lynched), the other combos are also pretty lolworthy. So what the hell is grush....

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On July 04 2012 05:49 Cephiro wrote:
Back.

I'm not exactly fond of Homerunbat's play, as he seems to be trying to avoid pissing anyone off. Or that's how it looks like to me. Of course one can just be very polite by nature, but the way he words what he says doesn't sound very natural to me.
He keeps up a discussion with Saturn, where he originally has Saturn as one of his scumreads.
Afterward he agrees on lynching talismania fairly easily, but based on what? The larger post of him earlier doesn't cover enough reasoning to do that imo. His other choice I can't criticize because I admit that I wouldn't mind seeing our useless lurker lose some stock if that's the only way to get him talking.
Rank: 6

Risen needs to die, seriously. He was bashing on iGrok's plan without proper reasoning (he accused iGrok's plan of being bad due to losing town stock, and about lack of information, but his own plan was worse in BOTH areas.)
And what are his scumreads? The people who agreed with iGrok or defended him. Brilliant play if I say so myself. The way he jumps at Homerunbat after he defends iGrok's play makes me cry. He also clearly buddies with Saturn and tries to control his actions (and even succeeds to get Saturn to vote for the bat.)
Rank: 8
##Vote: Risen

Grush is useless. Literally. He comes in, keeps changing his votes constantly and doesn't contribute at all. I just can't see a townie do this, and if he somehow is town, he needs to be waken up. A prime target for night actions that cause stock loss, or a lynch if you won't lynch Risen today.
Rank: 7

talismania, you need to stop trying to crunch the setup and base your play on your meta-game against the host, you need to start playing the game the way it's supposed to be played and deciding your reads based on the actions of others. If you're not going to step up your play asap, I will push you for lynch.
Rank: 4

My thoughts on dedede+Saturn to follow. I don't believe that I need to add more about my opinion on iGrok (Rank: 2), he's my strongest townread but he has to stop the retarded derping around. So please, concentrate and prove me I'm not wrong about you.

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On July 04 2012 06:39 Cephiro wrote:
Mister Saturn: I was okay with his earlygame play, but since then he's gone all wishy-washy and saying he doesn't trust himself at all. He could be honest about it, or he could be scum looking for an easy way to vote for anyone. I don't care if you're unsure about yourself, I want you to do decisions based on your own opinion, not sheep others. Even the best players are wrong sometimes, and I don't want us to lose if you'll happen to sheep a townie that was wrong, or even worse, a scum dragging you by the ropes. The way you talk about "no-one cares about my opinion so I won't push for it anymore, but I have a gun and I'm not afraid to use it", isn't giving you any points in my book either. I want to hear YOUR opinions. Even if you aren't sure who is scum (which few are at this stage of the game), your opinions can still be valuable for others. So pick it up. And think before you act!
Rank: 5

Kingdedede: The roleclaim at start seems quite honest to me, with the valid reasoning he gave. I am very interested in seeing how he is going to use it, given that he needs to keep his action secret from scum and only reveal his reasoning in the morning. I'm expecting his N1 action to tell a lot. What I don't like is that he is pushing for a mass claim. Certain roles claiming may be useful yes, but everyone claiming is better for scum than town imo. I like his provided reasoning for why he thinks iGrok is town, and I pretty much agree with it. I also like that he pointed out a minor contradiction in iGrok's play. (iGrok was against a mass claim, but wanted to lynch for role info earlier.) I'm slightly confused why he is pushing for talis lynch so hard without more/better reasoning though. Currently leaning slightly town, but I'm expecting to hear more from him soon, and very much looking forward to what he decides to do N1.
Rank: 3

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On July 04 2012 06:13 talismania wrote:
eh then I guess

##unvote
##vote grush57

Since I don't think mister saturn is going to happen.

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On July 06 2012 01:57 talismania wrote:
eh, ##push: Risen

I think he's done ok scrambling but I can't shake the fact that he tried to save grush at the last second. grush is clearly scum and he has simply played poorly. He shouldn't have shot the same person they were putting the night kill on to begin with, and he shouldn't have claimed the shot afterwards. Assuming there's at least some modicum of communication between the two scumbuddies, I can't imagine hiropro or strongandbig letting someone do that.

I'll go ahead and roleclaim since I don't see why not at this point.

I'm kirby, and I ate risen last night. He is indeed a donkey kong (kirby's eating is unaffected by the bus according to toad after I asked).

I think this leaves only homerunbat as an unknown role not that it really matters at this point anyway.

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On July 03 2012 23:38 talismania wrote:
Yo guys I know it seems like I'm focusing too weirdly on the game setup but I'm almost certain toad didn't do this game randomly (and iGrok confirms that) and I also have the benefit of knowing what my role is. And knowing what my role is and the fact that I'm town makes it seem really crazy that town would also have two samuses. I dunno - it could still be balanced that way but it would have to depend on what Grush/homerunbat/risen are. Even then I think risen is town and half the time I think homerunbat is town as well (some vacillation there though).

Beyond that point I think Saturn/hiropro is acting the scummiest. To reiterate/expand:

1) Read how he participated in the Risen v iGrok debate. He was there but he wasn't in-your-face there (as cephiro was). He pushed Risen a bit but also threw in heaps of questions all over the place.

2) Pointing out every little thing that could be scummy. He did this with grush just recently and I think once before that I can't remember. Bit of a weak scumtell.

3) Being a bit of an opportunistic voter. Weakest evidence for sure but he hopped on iGrok, then hopped off rather quickly.

4) Even weaker but he has made a few points that hint at thinking from a scum POV, where he talks about the optimal play for scum etc in the beginning.

My only big problem with saturn being scum is that I can't figure out who his partner would be. I thought it was iGrok until the post-derp spat and it became clear iGrok picked him up and whatnot (which makes no sense from a scum point of view). In any event

##vote: Mister Saturn

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@acro I'm pretty sure iGrok wants to lynch me just to figure out what my role is (same as he would for grush - dunno why he doesn't want to lynch risen for that reason though. or homerunbat). He said not to vote for him today presumably because then we would also be doing 1.5kp to saturn (so he said to wait for tomorrow so he could pick someone else up). Don't know why he wouldn't want the extra damage on saturn though.

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On July 05 2012 01:33 talismania wrote:
this is an 8-person game. To expand on what acro is asking for, everyone should be posting their reads of everyone else, at least once a cycle. In a thirty person game this sort of thing is cumbersome, but in a game this small it is essential. It forces scum to talk about themselves and everyone else, the more we make scum lie the better, yadda yadda. I'll keep compiling people's reads and such in the spreadsheet/document as they happen.

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