| Babel Fish June 30 2012 18:40. Posts 15 | Profile # |
Alright so I tried this out vs very hard A.I
Have yet to test it vs a real person.
The idea is to do the Naniwa Blink Observer build but you delay your 1st gate in order to double gas steal your opponent, forcing them to go zealots and potentially expand early.
The timings don't change too much and by time zealots enter your base you SHOULD have at least 1 stalker but to be safe I've sim'd around my mineral line just like terran do in BW, allowing my stalkers a fun little loop to run around the base to kite zealots all day while making it hard for zealots to get into the mineral line.
8-send probe for gas steal
9-pylon
9-steal gas x2
13-gateway, gas
17-pylom
18-cyber, other gas
from here the build get flexible
get Twilight and blink
get 3 more gateways (2 must be ready for warpgate when it finishes)
get robo+obs
After that and once you're attacking get a 2nd, 3 more gates and a support bay.
Don't forget to reinforce your army through a proxy pylon.
I'm sure this will create timing windows vs real players.
I'll upload replays tomorrow of me doing it to the computer and test it out vs people.
I'd like opinions on the gas steal concept to force specific reactions and delay tech.Last edit: 2012-06-30 18:50:11 |
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| CrazyF1r3f0x United States. June 30 2012 18:51. Posts 1732 | Profile Blog # |
If you send out a worker really early like that, then go to steal their gas, after you take the first one, what is to stop them from pulling a worker and blocking a steal on the second geyser?
If that happens the entire thing falls on it's face, and you just wasted 75 minerals and a bunch of mining time and delayed all of your buildings.
If you did happen to take their gases, I suppose you could try some interesting stuff; but you would still be relying on your opponent to make a serious mistake for any of this to be viable. |
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| Babel Fish June 30 2012 18:57. Posts 15 | Profile # |
On June 30 2012 18:51 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
If you send out a worker really early like that, then go to steal their gas, after you take the first one, what is to stop them from pulling a worker and blocking a steal on the second geyser?
Queuing commands can help. Worst case scenario you just found out if your opponent is cheesing or not and can cancel the 1st assimilator if need be.
If that happens the entire thing falls on it's face, and you just wasted 75 minerals and a bunch of mining time and delayed all of your buildings.
Cancel the assimilator and take pride that you scouted potential PvP cheese.
If you did happen to take their gases, I suppose you could try some interesting stuff; but you would still be relying on your opponent to make a serious mistake for any of this to be viable.
I wouldn't call that a mistake you should be stealing on their 9th or 10th probe. Most players don't have the extra minerals floating that early. |
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| rebotfc United Kingdom. June 30 2012 19:10. Posts 143 | Profile # |
If you send out a worker really early like that, then go to steal their gas, after you take the first one, what is to stop them from pulling a worker and blocking a steal on the second geyser?
You can't block gas steals if done correctly.Last edit: 2012-06-30 19:11:10 |
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| Shikada Serbia. June 30 2012 19:15. Posts 451 | Profile # |
On June 30 2012 19:10 rebotfc wrote:
Show nested quote +If you send out a worker really early like that, then go to steal their gas, after you take the first one, what is to stop them from pulling a worker and blocking a steal on the second geyser?
You can't block gas steals if done correctly.
Please explain this. How come you can't ? |
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| cythaze June 30 2012 19:15. Posts 251 | Profile # |
Hold-position blocking the 2nd gas will totally kill that build and even otherwise, any 2 gate aggression will kill you more or less if u delay your gateway that much (and i dont think that its possible to sim city that well vs early 2 gate so no zealots can enter the mineral line.
but hey, if u can pull that off against decent opponents im willing to look into the replays.
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| cythaze June 30 2012 19:16. Posts 251 | Profile # |
On June 30 2012 19:15 Shikada wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 19:10 rebotfc wrote:
If you send out a worker really early like that, then go to steal their gas, after you take the first one, what is to stop them from pulling a worker and blocking a steal on the second geyser?
You can't block gas steals if done correctly.
Please explain this. How come you can't ?
pulling one of your own probes to your gas (right clicking on it), then hold position.
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| PandaTank South Africa. June 30 2012 19:30. Posts 227 | Profile Blog # |
On June 30 2012 19:16 cythaze wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 19:15 Shikada wrote:
On June 30 2012 19:10 rebotfc wrote:
If you send out a worker really early like that, then go to steal their gas, after you take the first one, what is to stop them from pulling a worker and blocking a steal on the second geyser?
You can't block gas steals if done correctly.
Please explain this. How come you can't ?
pulling one of your own probes to your gas (right clicking on it), then hold position.
Like one of the previous posters said, if you queue up the assimilators, even if a probe is pulled and put on hold, the gas steal will still go down. The only way you could prevent it is by constructing your own assimilator before the steal happens. Maybe you don't have enough minerals to do so at this specific timing though. I'm not sure. Either way, seems pretty gimmicky. |
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| hooahah June 30 2012 19:31. Posts 1026 | Profile # |
| yeah, that's blocking the gas steal - rebotfc said that you can't prevent a gas steal even with that method. |
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| cythaze June 30 2012 19:35. Posts 251 | Profile # |
ok, i´m sorry then^^
but i think at least on maps were the assims are further apart (like daybreak) u have enough reaction time to build your own assimilator, imo.
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| xsnac Romania. June 30 2012 19:45. Posts 695 | Profile Blog # |
lol gas stealing if you pull probe at 9 ? a good player sees you pull probe at 9 and he will just put a probe on hold position near gas gayser , he is alredy in economicaly advantage since he pulled scouting probe at 12/13 while you did on 9 so even if he does have 1 worker not mining ( staying in hold position near the gas gayser ) he dont get behind economicaly .
p.s. dont ever say gas steal on 9 scout cuz is just bad .Last edit: 2012-06-30 19:47:10 |
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| naggerNZ New Zealand. June 30 2012 19:49. Posts 700 | Profile # |
| Any half decent player will immediately take a gas as soon as they see you drop the first assimilator, and then you've just thrown away a ton of resources sending a super early probe to gas steal when a standard scout would have been equally effective. |
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| blooblooblahblah Australia. June 30 2012 20:18. Posts 2716 | Profile # |
On June 30 2012 19:49 naggerNZ wrote:
Any half decent player will immediately take a gas as soon as they see you drop the first assimilator, and then you've just thrown away a ton of resources sending a super early probe to gas steal when a standard scout would have been equally effective.
It's very hard to reactively drop an assimilator if the gases are next to each other (ie. cloud kingdom, dual sight), and imo the double gas steal should only been done on maps like this. This particular build i think is pretty terribly, but are you saying that players like Hero and Squirtle are not half decent players because they haven't blocked the double gas steal? You should actually try blocking a gas steal on Cloud Kingdom if they take the one closest to the minerals first, and stop theory crafting and thinking you know what you're talking about. |
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 Empyrean June 30 2012 20:22. Posts 16299 | Profile Blog # |
| Please follow strategy forum guidelines before opening threads. Surely you can wait the day needed to upload replays. |
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