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| serojja Ukraine. June 30 2012 23:30. Posts 65 | Profile # |
Hi guys!
Does anyone know is there such a mode, where a player could play a standard custom SC2 game on a standard map with a tiny but very important functionality - three disabled features:
- automine
- multiple unit and building selection
- smart casting
Similiar functionality is present in custom maps for SC2BW, where you can actually turn these three features off if you want:
I believe this modification could be very interesting to play as it makes players of all races do more things to win the game - it prevents them from deathball a-moving, easy macro, super storms and fungles etc.
Thank you!
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I am sorry, I think I should have posted it in Custom Maps sectionLast edit: 2012-06-30 23:33:18 |
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 wcr.4fun Belgium. June 30 2012 23:38. Posts 685 | Profile # |
| automine off seems a lot harder for zerg especially with spawn larvae. MBS turned off seems really sweet though. Last edit: 2012-06-30 23:38:34 |
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| Fueled United States. June 30 2012 23:38. Posts 1609 | Profile # |
| I've only seen this in the SC2BW custom map that you mentioned, but I'm pretty sure its out there somewhere. |
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| arterian Canada. June 30 2012 23:40. Posts 1113 | Profile # |
| I would not want to play this as toss lol. |
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| emythrel United Kingdom. June 30 2012 23:42. Posts 2252 | Profile Blog # |
On June 30 2012 23:40 arterian wrote:
I would not want to play this as toss lol.
Surely toss would benefit most from this? Since the warpgate functionality is done without selecting buildings. So basically terran would have to build from each rax etc individually, zergs would have to select each hatch to make stuff and toss would just have to hotkey their single robo or stargate and then warp in as usual.... seems like it would be pretty imbalancedLast edit: 2012-06-30 23:42:50 |
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| Duval Belgium. June 30 2012 23:42. Posts 125 | Profile Blog # |
yeah, the warpgate mechanic is gonna be pretty awful without mbs imho
EDIT: I am assumign that you cant use the usual hotkey to select every availablewarpgate, because (like it says) you're selecting multiple buildingsLast edit: 2012-06-30 23:43:53 |
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| emythrel United Kingdom. June 30 2012 23:50. Posts 2252 | Profile Blog # |
On June 30 2012 23:42 Duval wrote:
yeah, the warpgate mechanic is gonna be pretty awful without mbs imho
EDIT: I am assumign that you cant use the usual hotkey to select every availablewarpgate, because (like it says) you're selecting multiple buildings
but you're not.... warp ins do not directly select the building. the mechanic would either not work without MBS or have to stay the same as it is now. so either way, would be pretty imbalanced either in favour or against toss.
Anywho, why does no MBS, no auto mine and no smart casting make it hardcore? These are things that simply weren't available when BW was made, why do we want to go back that? Reducing the micro management you need to do of your economy means you can focus on other things more, that actually helps diversify SC2 from BW..... if you want to play BW, play BW or SC2BW. Stop trying to change SC2 to be more like an older game, we need to move forwards not backwards.... SC2 has done far better everywhere except korea than its predecessor and now that kespa are switching, it will probably pick up in korea too..... BW has been around for many years, when SC2 has been around as long I'm sure that we will see the same level of play and micro etc and even macro tricks that we haven't yet seen.
I genuinely wish we could stop this harping back for things to be more like BW, its like asking to go back to non digital TV because tuning in a channel took more skill... |
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| CrtBalorda Slovenia. June 30 2012 23:50. Posts 535 | Profile # |
| But thats what the game is suposed to be... |
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| wcr.4fun Belgium. July 01 2012 00:09. Posts 685 | Profile # |
On June 30 2012 23:50 emythrel wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 23:42 Duval wrote:
yeah, the warpgate mechanic is gonna be pretty awful without mbs imho
EDIT: I am assumign that you cant use the usual hotkey to select every availablewarpgate, because (like it says) you're selecting multiple buildings
but you're not.... warp ins do not directly select the building. the mechanic would either not work without MBS or have to stay the same as it is now. so either way, would be pretty imbalanced either in favour or against toss. Anywho, why does no MBS, no auto mine and no smart casting make it hardcore? These are things that simply weren't available when BW was made, why do we want to go back that? Reducing the micro management you need to do of your economy means you can focus on other things more, that actually helps diversify SC2 from BW..... if you want to play BW, play BW or SC2BW. Stop trying to change SC2 to be more like an older game, we need to move forwards not backwards.... SC2 has done far better everywhere except korea than its predecessor and now that kespa are switching, it will probably pick up in korea too..... BW has been around for many years, when SC2 has been around as long I'm sure that we will see the same level of play and micro etc and even macro tricks that we haven't yet seen. I genuinely wish we could stop this harping back for things to be more like BW, its like asking to go back to non digital TV because tuning in a channel took more skill...
Most of us aren't asking for returning back to brood war. Being able to only select 12 units at the time would reduce the deathballs and would make for more 'all over the map' play. I think they should reduce the game speed a little bit though if that were the case because this game has way too high dps. I think automining is a good thing, MBS can be good/bad and smart casting doesn't change that much imo.
I disagree completely with you saying we will see more micro tricks in sc2. There are no possibilities for micro tricks, you can't utilise your units like you could in brood war. Controlling scourges, mutalisks (any flying unit actually), vultures,... was so hard yet so effective and one of the most exciting things to watch. There's nothing like that in sc2. Never am I wowed by the micro in sc2. Splitting marines really isn't that impressive, we had that in bw as well. (some other cool tricks in bw were zealot bombing, shuttle micro, defensive matrix, microing vs mines/reavers/...) |
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| convention United States. July 01 2012 00:09. Posts 455 | Profile # |
On June 30 2012 23:50 emythrel wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 23:42 Duval wrote:
yeah, the warpgate mechanic is gonna be pretty awful without mbs imho
EDIT: I am assumign that you cant use the usual hotkey to select every availablewarpgate, because (like it says) you're selecting multiple buildings
but you're not.... warp ins do not directly select the building. the mechanic would either not work without MBS or have to stay the same as it is now. so either way, would be pretty imbalanced either in favour or against toss. Anywho, why does no MBS, no auto mine and no smart casting make it hardcore? These are things that simply weren't available when BW was made, why do we want to go back that? Reducing the micro management you need to do of your economy means you can focus on other things more, that actually helps diversify SC2 from BW..... if you want to play BW, play BW or SC2BW. Stop trying to change SC2 to be more like an older game, we need to move forwards not backwards.... SC2 has done far better everywhere except korea than its predecessor and now that kespa are switching, it will probably pick up in korea too..... BW has been around for many years, when SC2 has been around as long I'm sure that we will see the same level of play and micro etc and even macro tricks that we haven't yet seen. I genuinely wish we could stop this harping back for things to be more like BW, its like asking to go back to non digital TV because tuning in a channel took more skill...
You have to select a warpgate to warp in. Without MBS it would be hard to warp in more than ten units at a forward pylon. |
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| emythrel United Kingdom. July 01 2012 00:19. Posts 2252 | Profile Blog # |
On July 01 2012 00:09 convention wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 23:50 emythrel wrote:
On June 30 2012 23:42 Duval wrote:
yeah, the warpgate mechanic is gonna be pretty awful without mbs imho
EDIT: I am assumign that you cant use the usual hotkey to select every availablewarpgate, because (like it says) you're selecting multiple buildings
but you're not.... warp ins do not directly select the building. the mechanic would either not work without MBS or have to stay the same as it is now. so either way, would be pretty imbalanced either in favour or against toss. Anywho, why does no MBS, no auto mine and no smart casting make it hardcore? These are things that simply weren't available when BW was made, why do we want to go back that? Reducing the micro management you need to do of your economy means you can focus on other things more, that actually helps diversify SC2 from BW..... if you want to play BW, play BW or SC2BW. Stop trying to change SC2 to be more like an older game, we need to move forwards not backwards.... SC2 has done far better everywhere except korea than its predecessor and now that kespa are switching, it will probably pick up in korea too..... BW has been around for many years, when SC2 has been around as long I'm sure that we will see the same level of play and micro etc and even macro tricks that we haven't yet seen. I genuinely wish we could stop this harping back for things to be more like BW, its like asking to go back to non digital TV because tuning in a channel took more skill...
You have to select a warpgate to warp in. Without MBS it would be hard to warp in more than ten units at a forward pylon.
thought u just hit W and then picked a unit.... its not like you have to control group them. If the current warpgate mechanic counts as MBS then toss would be broken without it. Which would mean no MBS means no warpgates, which means a complete rebalance of the game. So yeah... lets remove it ;p |
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| CounterOrder Canada. July 01 2012 01:06. Posts 446 | Profile # |
| Its a hotkey, thats like saying you dont select anything if you use a hotkey to select it. Obviously doesnt make any sense. Last edit: 2012-07-01 01:07:33 |
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| Zanno United States. July 01 2012 01:13. Posts 1433 | Profile Blog # |
On July 01 2012 00:19 emythrel wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:09 convention wrote:
On June 30 2012 23:50 emythrel wrote:
On June 30 2012 23:42 Duval wrote:
yeah, the warpgate mechanic is gonna be pretty awful without mbs imho
EDIT: I am assumign that you cant use the usual hotkey to select every availablewarpgate, because (like it says) you're selecting multiple buildings
but you're not.... warp ins do not directly select the building. the mechanic would either not work without MBS or have to stay the same as it is now. so either way, would be pretty imbalanced either in favour or against toss. Anywho, why does no MBS, no auto mine and no smart casting make it hardcore? These are things that simply weren't available when BW was made, why do we want to go back that? Reducing the micro management you need to do of your economy means you can focus on other things more, that actually helps diversify SC2 from BW..... if you want to play BW, play BW or SC2BW. Stop trying to change SC2 to be more like an older game, we need to move forwards not backwards.... SC2 has done far better everywhere except korea than its predecessor and now that kespa are switching, it will probably pick up in korea too..... BW has been around for many years, when SC2 has been around as long I'm sure that we will see the same level of play and micro etc and even macro tricks that we haven't yet seen. I genuinely wish we could stop this harping back for things to be more like BW, its like asking to go back to non digital TV because tuning in a channel took more skill...
You have to select a warpgate to warp in. Without MBS it would be hard to warp in more than ten units at a forward pylon.
thought u just hit W and then picked a unit.... its not like you have to control group them. If the current warpgate mechanic counts as MBS then toss would be broken without it. Which would mean no MBS means no warpgates, which means a complete rebalance of the game. So yeah... lets remove it ;p
just speaking purely theoretically, you could make it so you have to warp in on the minimap
that doesn't necessarily mean this idea is good, it's just warp gate is the wrong reason to shut it downLast edit: 2012-07-01 01:14:17 |
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