| Malpractice.248 United States. July 01 2012 06:59. Posts 698 | Profile Blog # |
I searched, and didnt find anything.
And i dont think this is really a blog, more just curious.
I have friends that are Bronze -> high plat that do a friendly tourney once a month, and they want me to play in it (As offrace T or handicapped Z) (im master Z)
Anyway, what is a good guideline for handicap for balance?
Bronze -> 100%
Silver -> 100%
Gold -> 90%
Plat -> 90%
Diamond -> 80%
Masters -> 70%?
(This would mean a bronze vs a plat would be 100% vs 90%, etc)
Or is that too low?
how much of a handicap would a masters need to = a plat, a gold, etc etcLast edit: 2012-07-01 07:02:21 |
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| zezamer Finland. July 01 2012 07:02. Posts 1805 | Profile # |
| Off race sounds more fun than handicap tbh |
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| RiSkysc2 July 01 2012 07:03. Posts 546 | Profile # |
| Nobody really uses that tool so there really isn't any "guideline". |
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| ROOTKane Canada. July 01 2012 07:03. Posts 1606 | Profile Blog # |
edit: misunderstood op!
it all depends, and what percent are you talking about? percent you are trying? percent you are mining? Last edit: 2012-07-01 07:17:02 |
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| WhalesFromSpace July 01 2012 07:03. Posts 316 | Profile # |
| If you are masters I don't think it is too hard to beat someone under platinum with a 50% handicap on. It depends if they play to abuse that; but I feel like harass and shit is still really viable because your units will still do 100% damage, but die twice as quickly. |
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| J_Slim United States. July 01 2012 07:04. Posts 198 | Profile # |
On July 01 2012 07:03 LgNKane wrote:
this thread is pretty useless i gotta say.
it all depends, and what percent are you talking about? percent you are trying? percent you are mining?
there's a handicap option in custom game setup. OP is a fairly legit question - not sure how the handicap works in game. |
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| ShadowDrgn United States. July 01 2012 07:05. Posts 2345 | Profile Blog # |
| As a master league player, you can easily beat anyone in bronze at 50%. Probably silvers and golds too, unless they do builds like 4gate or 3rax all-ins to specifically abuse the handicap. I'd suggest just playing a few games against them to find out what's fair. |
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| Alpino Brazil. July 01 2012 07:06. Posts 2584 | Profile # |
On July 01 2012 07:04 J_Slim wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 07:03 LgNKane wrote:
this thread is pretty useless i gotta say.
it all depends, and what percent are you talking about? percent you are trying? percent you are mining?
there's a handicap option in custom game setup. OP is a fairly legit question - not sure how the handicap works in game.
Diminshes the health of your units. If you put 50% welcome to 22 HP SCVS. |
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| bblack Netherlands. July 01 2012 07:06. Posts 259 | Profile # |
On July 01 2012 07:03 LgNKane wrote:
this thread is pretty useless i gotta say.
it all depends, and what percent are you talking about? percent you are trying? percent you are mining?
Well no, you just misunderstood 
While creating a multiplayer game you can pick a percentage. Units get that much life, damage and cost are unchanged.
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| FlukyS Ireland. July 01 2012 07:11. Posts 442 | Profile Blog # |
| I would say masters should be on like 40% because against a bronze you would probably still out macro and win vs a bronze on 100%. Id nearly even say that 10% would still be fair because of the difference in mechanics to allow them a chance to actually win. |
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| OneBaseKing Afghanistan. July 01 2012 07:13. Posts 408 | Profile Blog # |
| how about just letting them win subtly? |
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| MidgetHumper United Kingdom. July 01 2012 07:15. Posts 221 | Profile # |
Bronze -> 100%
Silver -> 100%
Gold -> 100%
Plat -> 100%
Diamond -> 100%
Masters -> 100%? |
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| v3chr0 United States. July 01 2012 07:16. Posts 855 | Profile Blog # |
80% and off race would be about equal IMO, but it kind of depends.
Going too far on the handicap alone just becomes too extreme, no matter how bad they are, everything of yours will die faster, and be very cost inefficient. I'd say 70% is probably the lowest I'd go, otherwise it's kind of a joke.
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| Malpractice.248 United States. July 01 2012 07:17. Posts 698 | Profile Blog # |
well, theres two bronze, two silver, three gold, and 3 plat.
being that theyre lower league, they do tend to 4 gate, 2 rax etc.
I mean I feel id auto lose with 50%... but idk. |
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| MonkeyMaan Denmark. July 01 2012 07:20. Posts 40 | Profile # |
On July 01 2012 07:11 FlukyS wrote:
I would say masters should be on like 40% because against a bronze you would probably still out macro and win vs a bronze on 100%. Id nearly even say that 10% would still be fair because of the difference in mechanics to allow them a chance to actually win.
Although you are correct with almost everything, I feel the need to correct you.
Normal maps only allow for a maximum handicap of 50%. Unless maps are created where you can go lower, masters can / should only play 50% vs bronze.
The few times I have played vs bronze people (during challenges and the likes), I would say I could beat bronze players with 50% handicap 99/100 times - if not all games. Even if they 4gate, it will still be slow, unmicroed, unmacroed, etc. and you really shouldn't lose.Last edit: 2012-07-01 07:23:45 |
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| convention United States. July 01 2012 07:20. Posts 461 | Profile # |
I feel that masters will probably have ~2x the units of bronze/silver. So I think it should probably drop quicker, or maybe something like if a is in a lower league than b, then
a -> 100%
b -> (100 - 10X)% where X is the difference in leauges?
e.g. A gold vs. diamond is 100% vs. 80%.
I think the best answer is participating in the tournament and balance as it goes on (and then let us know what balance you found to be fair). |
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| bblack Netherlands. July 01 2012 07:21. Posts 259 | Profile # |
On July 01 2012 07:17 Malpractice.248 wrote:
well, theres two bronze, two silver, three gold, and 3 plat.
being that theyre lower league, they do tend to 4 gate, 2 rax etc.
I mean I feel id auto lose with 50%... but idk.
Yeah that's the thing. The percentage deal is a kinda weird solution. You'll easily win a macrogame with 80%, as you macro more than 1/4 as good as a lower leaguer, but you'll quickly fall to all kinds of all-in / cheese with 70% or less, no matter what your skill..
So I'd go with 80% and offrace?
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| bblack Netherlands. July 01 2012 07:24. Posts 259 | Profile # |
On July 01 2012 07:21 bblack wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 07:17 Malpractice.248 wrote:
well, theres two bronze, two silver, three gold, and 3 plat.
being that theyre lower league, they do tend to 4 gate, 2 rax etc.
I mean I feel id auto lose with 50%... but idk.
Yeah that's the thing. The percentage deal is a kinda weird solution. You'll easily win a macrogame with 80%, as you macro more than 1/4 as good as a lower leaguer, but you'll quickly fall to all kinds of all-in / cheese with 70% or less, no matter what your skill.. So I'd go with 80% and offrace?
Or you could go for 50% and go very baneling-heavy, that should work
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| Malpractice.248 United States. July 01 2012 07:25. Posts 698 | Profile Blog # |
I like the idea of 10% per league, but I think 10% per every other league would be more fair?
a silver league 4gate would be auto win vs 75 hp roaches I think lol...
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| Neino Norway. July 01 2012 07:27. Posts 256 | Profile # |
| Im just gonna say that even with a 50% handicap, I have no problems beating my platinum friends as a top master.. You really have to go overboard + offracing if you want that to get even remotely balanced =p |
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