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 CaucasianAsian Korea (South). July 02 2012 04:25. Posts 10473 | Profile Blog # |
With the news of a company wanting to sell it off, the stock price will decrease, there's no way an investor will look at this as a good thing for Blizzard's stock price. You can even tell that by the news of this coming out on the weekend while the stock market is closed.Last edit: 2012-07-02 04:26:34 |
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| Antylamon United States. July 02 2012 04:25. Posts 1369 | Profile # |
| ...In other news, professional Starcraft player Lee "Flash" Young Ho buys ActivisionBlizzard for 8.1 billion dollars. Last edit: 2012-07-02 04:28:47 |
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| Jisall United States. July 02 2012 04:29. Posts 1538 | Profile Blog # |
On July 02 2012 04:25 CaucasianAsian wrote:With the news of a company wanting to sell it off, the stock price will decrease, there's no way an investor will look at this as a good thing for Blizzard's stock price. You can even tell that by the news of this coming out on the weekend while the stock market is closed.
Price of the stock will go down, but the EPS will remain the same. It makes it more attractive of an investment so long as you can have faith that blizzard will remain profitable. |
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| noddy United Kingdom. July 02 2012 04:30. Posts 905 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 04:15 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 03:25 Seiniyta wrote:
On July 02 2012 03:17 BurningSera wrote:
It doesn't matter who is willing to buy it, the problems from the developers of recent games (D3 and SC2) still exist. Bring back the brains from blizzard north please.
The highest concentration of former Blizzard North employees (8) are working at Blizzard now still. The head guys went to make their own company. One that miserably failed financially with Hellgate: London and you can't play now anymore as far as I know. So that company (Flagship) went under. Then there's Runic games which are making the torchlight games. They're doing okay, better then Flagship which was way too ambitious. There's also a few Blizz North guys working (2) but Torchlight is even more cartoony then D2 ever was and is playing the genre super safe. Then, for SC, the main designers of that game were Chris Metzen and James Phinney. So except for James Phinney who now works at Arenanet things haven't changed that much actually there. The only difference is that it's many years later. People love to blame the 'new' people that work at Blizzard for the mishaps happening. But except B.Net 2.0 which is done by a seperate team and not by the designers of the game itself like in the past it's still the same guys for the most part that are responsible. You can also see this in the behind the scenes of SC2 where they state that a lot of the guys that worked on SC worked on SC2 for example.
Story, artwork and Gameplay mechanics are the three major components of all successful blizzard games. While it is pretty obvious that they keep the artwork team with them since the old blizzard time (the artwork is undeniably still the top class in the industry, D3's artwork is simply amazing); while Metzen is totally too old now to produce any new and original story (WoL and D3's story is chattered for 12yrs old kids); and the last bit which is as a long time gamer myself care the most: the gameplay. The gameplay sucks. Well, may be 'sucks' is a harsh word, but WoL and D3 are not up to the generally high expectation of blizzard. And the heads of development of both games are to be blamed for that. Blizzard games are not perfect but I have never complaint about any game from Blizzard until WoL/D3. I don't like what dustin brower done to SC2 and I hate Jay William so much for D3. I want the real bunch of game lovers (the original blizzard north gang) and how they actually develop the game as a whole: the amazing balance between Artwork+Story+Gameplay. And if you played D3 you will understand the blizzard now is about grabbing money from their fans and how amazing Torchlight2 looks before released. Not sure about Hell gate but who cares about a MMORPG, I love Torchlight1 and I thought it is actually the real successor of D2.
Torchlight is terrible compared to Diablo3. See? This is called an opinion. You have it, other people have it. "If you play D3...", I've played Diablo3 and while I know Blizzard is a business and a business wants to profit on their products, the fun I have while playing wasn't diminished by that fact.
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| Dark.EX United States. July 02 2012 04:38. Posts 1504 | Profile Blog # |
On July 01 2012 07:49 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 07:47 TheAmazombie wrote:
Should we all start a kickstarter project to buy Blizz? Sounds like a plan.
I hope that it goes to someone good, not like Apple or some crap.
I say we just launch a huge internet campaign to get Valve to buy it. Can you imagine HotS... but with HATS?!
OMG.
I've only bought a few of Valve's games, but they are AWESOME! I'd love for them to buy Blizzard!
Although, it doesn't seem likely as the style of the two companies is very different. |
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 Sea_Food Finland. July 02 2012 04:40. Posts 1612 | Profile Blog # |
On July 02 2012 04:20 Jisall wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 04:17 tadL wrote:
The most important question is, who would we like to see buying Blizzard.
I hope for Valve and new Boss of Blizzard will be Icefrog!
Valve and DotA 2 are bossing it up with the coolness. Valve is a good company.
Isnt Valve the company that almost has a monopoly on digital game sales, and thus gets ridiculous amounts of money from gamers, but still makes very few games with that money, and instead uses it to send every employee and their family members on a payed vacation on hawaii.
If they bought Activision, we would probably get one tenth of the games we get now, because all of the workers would be busy on payed vacation and not making any games. I do not want my money to go there. |
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| Lightwip United States. July 02 2012 04:45. Posts 5497 | Profile Blog # |
| Who would actually tie up $8 billion in a company that's going nowhere? It's just bad business. |
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| snow2.0 Germany. July 02 2012 04:51. Posts 778 | Profile # |
Buy it, 'xploit it, break it, sell it.
Almost a daft punk song right there. |
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| Jago Finland. July 02 2012 04:52. Posts 382 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 04:45 Lightwip wrote:
Who would actually tie up $8 billion in a company that's going nowhere? It's just bad business.
Going nowhere? Have you actually looked at the financial results of various gaming companies? ActivisionBlizzard is a best-of-breed company, there are maybe 1-2 (in total) other publically traded game developers/publishers that are actually consistently profitable. |
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| Vapaach Finland. July 02 2012 04:54. Posts 965 | Profile # |
| As long as EA or Capcom doesn't buy it, it should be fine. (I love the old capcom, but nowadays they are ridiculously greedy and don't care about their fanbase at all) |
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| Khazidhea Kazakhstan. July 02 2012 04:56. Posts 65 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 04:40 Sea_Food wrote:
Isnt Valve the company that almost has a monopoly on digital game sales, and thus gets ridiculous amounts of money from gamers, but still makes very few games with that money, and instead uses it to send every employee and their family members on a payed vacation on hawaii.
If they bought Activision, we would probably get one tenth of the games we get now, because all of the workers would be busy on payed vacation and not making any games. I do not want my money to go there.
What do you mean by 'instead'? They create a good working environment for developers so that they can make good games. Take away the holidays, pay them less and expect more games being made? Might as well take the family members as hostages and force them to make more games in less time for free.
Moreover you pay for the game once it's done. If it's too expensive, you might wanna just not buy it. I don't see games being more expensive when they are being sold on steam and I guess the game studios have to pay something to valve to put up their games on steam (correct me if I'm wrong). But you won't know the difference, the price is the same.
I don't even use steam that much - bought only one game there (Skyrim), downloaded free TF2 and played about 30 hours total. But Valve made so much for the gaming industry \ community. Steam is so convenient, really. Half-Life series is AMAZING. TF2 is free, Dota 2 is gonna be free and the streaming support for Dota 2 is EPIC.
I'm just pissed off about this 'they aren't doing their job, but taking vacations using MY MONEY' thing. It's like ... so ridiculous. I work in the game industry atm, but I think anyone can relate. You can't be thinking like that. |
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| hzflank United Kingdom. July 02 2012 05:04. Posts 1082 | Profile # |
It is profitable, but I do not think it is profitable enough to spend $7 billion for 51%.
I just had a quick look at the figures for ATVI. I do not need to spend more than a few seconds looking because a company would have to be crazy to buy 51% or more at that price. Less than 1.2b turnover at a 32% margin and only 154m in PPE. 146m inventory. Cash flow and current ratio is healthy. I cant even be bothered to look at any more.
ATVI is safe, but the share price is far too high for anyone to consider buying the company. |
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| Lightwip United States. July 02 2012 05:06. Posts 5497 | Profile Blog # |
On July 02 2012 04:52 Jago wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 04:45 Lightwip wrote:
Who would actually tie up $8 billion in a company that's going nowhere? It's just bad business.
Going nowhere? Have you actually looked at the financial results of various gaming companies? ActivisionBlizzard is a best-of-breed company, there are maybe 1-2 (in total) other publically traded game developers/publishers that are actually consistently profitable.
Maybe it's one of the best in the business, but it's just not going to get much bigger. ActiBlizzard has stabilized, so it's going to neither grow massively nor collapse in the near future. Not a good place to spend $8 billion. Spending that much on a company would be best saved for something with huge potential for growth, such as the Apple of 6-7 years ago. Blizzard just doesn't have enough potential for growth for someone to spend $8 billion on it. |
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| Leporello United States. July 02 2012 05:06. Posts 1652 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 04:52 Jago wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 04:45 Lightwip wrote:
Who would actually tie up $8 billion in a company that's going nowhere? It's just bad business.
Going nowhere? Have you actually looked at the financial results of various gaming companies? ActivisionBlizzard is a best-of-breed company, there are maybe 1-2 (in total) other publically traded game developers/publishers that are actually consistently profitable.
Yeah, but you don't buy stock when it's at its peak -- in fact, that's when you sell. Blizzard's great, momentous, "WoW supertrend" is over. The MMO market they dominated and turned into such a lucrative cash-crop is becoming ever more saturated with F2P alternatives.
I'm not saying Blizzard is going downhill necessarily (although it is possible that they're on a downward trend). But I do think buying the company as it's currently valuated would be stupid business. My guess is Vivendi will not find a corporate-buyout and will just have to sell it all on market. Blizzard has been a best-of-breed company for quite some time, but it really doesn't look like that trend is going to have free-reign to continue. |
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| Jago Finland. July 02 2012 05:09. Posts 382 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 05:06 Leporello wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 04:52 Jago wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:45 Lightwip wrote:
Who would actually tie up $8 billion in a company that's going nowhere? It's just bad business.
Going nowhere? Have you actually looked at the financial results of various gaming companies? ActivisionBlizzard is a best-of-breed company, there are maybe 1-2 (in total) other publically traded game developers/publishers that are actually consistently profitable.
Yeah, but you don't buy stock when it's at its peak -- in fact, that's when you sell.
ATVI's share price peak was in 2008.
On July 02 2012 05:04 hzflank wrote:
It is profitable, but I do not think it is profitable enough to spend $7 billion for 51%.
I just had a quick look at the figures for ATVI. I do not need to spend more than a few seconds looking because a company would have to be crazy to buy 51% or more at that price. Less than 1.2b turnover at a 32% margin and only 154m in PPE. 146m inventory. Cash flow and current ratio is healthy. I cant even be bothered to look at any more.
ATVI is safe, but the share price is far too high for anyone to consider buying the company.
And now look at all other gaming companies that are publically traded, EA, THQ, Take-Two, et al. Then suddenly you realize that paying a 14.39 price-to-earnings multiple and 1.27 price-to-book multiple for a best of breed company is an absolute steal  Last edit: 2012-07-02 05:10:33 |
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| Otolia France. July 02 2012 05:14. Posts 3059 | Profile Blog # |
People praising Valve are forgetting the most annoying thing in gaming : Proprietary platform.
I use Desura and GOG.com. |
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| gurrpp United States. July 02 2012 05:24. Posts 407 | Profile Blog # |
On July 02 2012 04:40 Sea_Food wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 04:20 Jisall wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:17 tadL wrote:
The most important question is, who would we like to see buying Blizzard.
I hope for Valve and new Boss of Blizzard will be Icefrog!
Valve and DotA 2 are bossing it up with the coolness. Valve is a good company.
Isnt Valve the company that almost has a monopoly on digital game sales, and thus gets ridiculous amounts of money from gamers, but still makes very few games with that money, and instead uses it to send every employee and their family members on a payed vacation on hawaii. If they bought Activision, we would probably get one tenth of the games we get now, because all of the workers would be busy on payed vacation and not making any games. I do not want my money to go there.
Let's take a look at what valve has done in the past decade:
2002
VAC released
2003
DoD released
Steam released
CS xbox version released
2004
HL2 released
CSS released
HL:S released
CS:CZ released
2005
DoD:S released
2006
HL2:EP1 released
2007
Orange box released(TF2, HL2EP2, Portal)
2008
L4D released
Steamworks introduced
2009
L4D2
Mann Co Store
Steam cloud introduced
2010
2011
Portal 2 released
Dota2 unveiled at gamescom
2012
Dota2 release?
CSGO release
The list above kind of ignores how aggressively valve has developed steam as a platform and how well they support their games, especially tf2. Obviously valve is doing something right by treating their employees correctly. They are famous for finding, attracting, developing, and keeping top notch talent. I suggest you check out the Valve handbook to find out more about valve's company culture. |
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| Eeevil Netherlands. July 02 2012 05:52. Posts 358 | Profile # |
| With all this Blizzard shit talk one would forget that Blizzard's performance has not a thing to do with Vivendi dropping Activison. |
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| Zato-1 Chile. July 02 2012 06:02. Posts 2584 | Profile Blog # |
On July 02 2012 04:20 Jisall wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 04:17 tadL wrote:
The most important question is, who would we like to see buying Blizzard.
I hope for Valve and new Boss of Blizzard will be Icefrog!
Valve and DotA 2 are bossing it up with the coolness. Valve is a good company.
Valve is a good company indeed, Steam has been such a blessing for the PC platform and digital distribution of games in general. I'm not a big fan of their games though... I've only enjoyed the Portal ones. I have no idea as to how much money Valve has and therefore whether their buying Activision Blizzard is even conceivable, though. |
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| Pimpmuckl Germany. July 02 2012 06:02. Posts 444 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 04:51 snow2.0 wrote:
Buy it, 'xploit it, break it, sell it.
Almost a daft punk song right there.
I chocked so hard on this one...
b2t: Interesting to say atleast, not really liking it but we will see where it goes |
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