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| Eywa- Canada. July 17 2012 23:35. Posts 3012 | Profile Blog # |
On July 17 2012 23:31 reps)Plumbum wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 03:15 Eywa- wrote:
On July 14 2012 05:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
whats this means ?
Teams must submit a minimum of 15 replays of their players per week played in either Bo3+ or KOTH style in order to be eligible for playoffs (This rule is intended for counter-abuse and extra-content purposes, any inquiries about secret strategies may be discussed with the league commissioner
This means you need to submit replays of practice to the league.
and what if i have a player, who plays on CWs and does never practice?
It's a minimal ammount of games. For a player to part take in three best of X over the course of the entire season is a very minimal commitment. |
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| Eywa- Canada. July 17 2012 23:55. Posts 3012 | Profile Blog # |
On July 17 2012 23:31 reps)Plumbum wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 03:15 Eywa- wrote:
On July 14 2012 05:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
whats this means ?
Teams must submit a minimum of 15 replays of their players per week played in either Bo3+ or KOTH style in order to be eligible for playoffs (This rule is intended for counter-abuse and extra-content purposes, any inquiries about secret strategies may be discussed with the league commissioner
This means you need to submit replays of practice to the league.
and what if i have a player, who plays on CWs and does never practice? Eywa your beginnings are good, but some of your rules are strange  (~weird) The rule about replays might be good only towards "noname" players. Since there really no players in our bw community who are going to abuse/smurf, (except fucking vtv and asshole joekim & scan obv) because we respect each other and ourselves.
I know what you're saying, however, I must consider what's best from the league's perspective. I have a trust list, everyone does, however, that doesn't mean these players go unchecked. This is for two reasons, first being, if you let your trust list get a free pass, you are singling out other non-trusted players/organizations as abusers which is not a good situation to be in unless there is concrete proof. I can't say reps), no security, but sas!! Well they get the full monty. The second reason is, people cheat because they think they can get away with it, how many times throughout history has the "trusted" person turned out to be the most hanis (include more sports than just BW)?
I think however, that you are expanding your trust list too far. This probably shouldn't push past your own team because there has been some attempts (could have been accidental or without knowing) from teams other than vTv in this league. So, I wouldn't single them out as the only ones who've done wrong, I'd just say they've done the worse (which is evident given their league status). |
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| reps)Plumbum Russian Federation. July 18 2012 00:57. Posts 461 | Profile # |
On July 17 2012 23:35 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:31 reps)Plumbum wrote:
On July 15 2012 03:15 Eywa- wrote:
On July 14 2012 05:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
whats this means ?
Teams must submit a minimum of 15 replays of their players per week played in either Bo3+ or KOTH style in order to be eligible for playoffs (This rule is intended for counter-abuse and extra-content purposes, any inquiries about secret strategies may be discussed with the league commissioner
This means you need to submit replays of practice to the league.
and what if i have a player, who plays on CWs and does never practice?
It's a minimal ammount of games. For a player to part take in three best of X over the course of the entire season is a very minimal commitment.
You still did not answer - i have a player, who plays only on CWs, he does not play ladder/friendly games, because simply he is super good player. So there is not way this player can play? Thats weird
Also we are paying for this league, and we have to spent million hours to collect replays from players T_T
Also, Eywa, there is one more thing - this is not D rank team league, this is top non kor team league, simply there are no more better players then here to smurf for us, trololoLast edit: 2012-07-18 01:07:16 |
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| Eywa- Canada. July 18 2012 01:59. Posts 3012 | Profile Blog # |
On July 18 2012 00:57 reps)Plumbum wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:35 Eywa- wrote:
On July 17 2012 23:31 reps)Plumbum wrote:
On July 15 2012 03:15 Eywa- wrote:
On July 14 2012 05:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
whats this means ?
Teams must submit a minimum of 15 replays of their players per week played in either Bo3+ or KOTH style in order to be eligible for playoffs (This rule is intended for counter-abuse and extra-content purposes, any inquiries about secret strategies may be discussed with the league commissioner
This means you need to submit replays of practice to the league.
and what if i have a player, who plays on CWs and does never practice?
It's a minimal ammount of games. For a player to part take in three best of X over the course of the entire season is a very minimal commitment.
You still did not answer - i have a player, who plays only on CWs, he does not play ladder/friendly games, because simply he is super good player. So there is not way this player can play? Thats weird Also we are paying for this league, and we have to spent million hours to collect replays from players T_T Also, Eywa, there is one more thing - this is not D rank team league, this is top non kor team league, simply there are no more better players then here to smurf for us, trololo
PM me with player's name and circumstance, I'll take a look.
Also, I'm going to reinstate Gambit Team even if the original crew are gone, it was originally a team for gosus to play in when they did not have a team for themselves and so it will be that again this season. Last edit: 2012-07-18 02:01:53 |
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| FyRe_DragOn Canada. July 18 2012 02:06. Posts 1403 | Profile Blog # |
| I agree with Plumbum. I dont play anywhere close to 5 bo3s a week and im not nearly as inactive as many top bw players, who just show up and play. If there are doubts about smurfing and akas, let them be dealt with individually...seems like a waste of time and effort to me. |
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| reps)Plumbum Russian Federation. July 18 2012 02:16. Posts 461 | Profile # |
Eywa, i heard very strange thing.
That you allowed vTv (defeat) to participate in GC3. True/False?
You banned them "lifetime" after GC1, no? wLast edit: 2012-07-18 02:16:43 |
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| Eywa- Canada. July 18 2012 02:43. Posts 3012 | Profile Blog # |
On July 18 2012 02:06 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
I agree with Plumbum. I dont play anywhere close to 5 bo3s a week and im not nearly as inactive as many top bw players, who just show up and play. If there are doubts about smurfing and akas, let them be dealt with individually...seems like a waste of time and effort to me.
You're not asked to play 5 Bo3s in a week, you're asked to play 1. Sorry if this wasn't clear. |
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| Eywa- Canada. July 18 2012 02:58. Posts 3012 | Profile Blog # |
On July 18 2012 02:16 reps)Plumbum wrote:
Eywa, i heard very strange thing.
That you allowed vTv (defeat) to participate in GC3. True/False?
You banned them "lifetime" after GC1, no? w
I was not aware that Defeat is aka vTv, this was not indicated to me and given that, I was under the assumption that defeat is just another sponsored team which is coming up. You are indeed correct, vTv is banned from the league and if these two teams are related then Defeat would also be prohibitted from joinning the league. There is no need to take any action yet because Defeat hasn't signed up yet, nor have they provided a list of akas for their players (which were majorly unknown to me). I'll let you know though that the situation is entirely under control.
So to answer the specifics of your question:
I gave Defeat the proceedures which they must follow in order to be admitted.
I have not admitted them to the league.
Answer to your question = False |
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| FyRe_DragOn Canada. July 18 2012 02:59. Posts 1403 | Profile Blog # |
Ok still 15 games then. I dont play 15 games every week and im sure a lot of other GC players wont be doing so either. Even if i did, i dont want to send you the replays of almost every fucking game i play during the duration of GC. not only is that ridiculous, but its unnecessarily time consuming for the players, leaders, and ofc you to try and organize them all. Due to the large number of inactive or semi inactive players, this is bound to fail imo.
Like plumbum said, every1 knows every1, and unless known abusers are let into the league there should be no need for extra security. Just deal with any issues on a case by case basis imo |
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| Eywa- Canada. July 18 2012 03:03. Posts 3012 | Profile Blog # |
On July 18 2012 02:59 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
Ok still 15 games then. I dont play 15 games every week and im sure a lot of other GC players wont be doing so either. Even if i did, i dont want to send you the replays of almost every fucking game i play during the duration of GC. not only is that ridiculous, but its unnecessarily time consuming for the players, leaders, and ofc you to try and organize them all. Due to the large number of inactive or semi inactive players, this is bound to fail imo.
Like plumbum said, every1 knows every1, and unless known abusers are let into the league there should be no need for extra security. Just deal with any issues on a case by case basis imo
.. I'm asking the team to send in 15 games, that's 15 for 15 players. As noted, you only have to send in 1 single Best of 3 a total of 3 times as a single player. Sorry once again if I didn't make it clear the first time. As an individual, you're not expected to produce many replays on your own. As a team, I don't see it unreasonable to have to present an average of 1 replay per player per week.
Edit: That's a Minimum of 2-3 games, not 15.
Edit2: For further inquiries, please contact me via PM as indicated in the OP. (Applies to all)Last edit: 2012-07-18 03:06:05 |
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 Xiphos Canada. July 18 2012 03:10. Posts 5732 | Profile Blog # |
I think we should do what the Chinese StarCraft Team Leagues are doing.
Have a Best of 7 of Best of 3s for each match with the final math being Ace Match.
How many teams are there anyways? |
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| Eywa- Canada. July 18 2012 03:18. Posts 3012 | Profile Blog # |
On July 18 2012 03:10 Xiphos wrote:
I think we should do what the Chinese StarCraft Team Leagues are doing.
Have a Best of 7 of Best of 3s for each match with the final math being Ace Match.
How many teams are there anyways?
This is the iCC-CL format with the last match being an ace match, except it's Best Of 5 x Best of 3 with ace being 2v2. We're not looking at having two identical leagues. If there is another Nation Wars however, it will be the same format whih is that you listed. |
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| Xiphos Canada. July 18 2012 03:20. Posts 5732 | Profile Blog # |
On July 18 2012 03:18 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 03:10 Xiphos wrote:
I think we should do what the Chinese StarCraft Team Leagues are doing.
Have a Best of 7 of Best of 3s for each match with the final math being Ace Match.
How many teams are there anyways?
This is the iCC-CL format with the last match being an ace match, except it's Best Of 5 x Best of 3 with ace being 2v2. We're not looking at having two identical leagues. If there is another Nation Wars however, it will be the same format whih is that you listed.
Sooo....how many teams are participating? |
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| Eywa- Canada. July 18 2012 03:57. Posts 3012 | Profile Blog # |
On July 18 2012 03:20 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 03:18 Eywa- wrote:
On July 18 2012 03:10 Xiphos wrote:
I think we should do what the Chinese StarCraft Team Leagues are doing.
Have a Best of 7 of Best of 3s for each match with the final math being Ace Match.
How many teams are there anyways?
This is the iCC-CL format with the last match being an ace match, except it's Best Of 5 x Best of 3 with ace being 2v2. We're not looking at having two identical leagues. If there is another Nation Wars however, it will be the same format whih is that you listed.
Sooo....how many teams are participating?
No way of telling yet. |
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| marcelluspye United States. July 19 2012 03:15. Posts 151 | Profile # |
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| Caihead Canada. July 19 2012 22:01. Posts 5148 | Profile Blog # |
7/19
Alright I'm back with some bad news and some good news.
The bad news is that due to a combination of lack of team leads who will be able to persistently see the gambit cup through, worrying about lag, and the time slot, the Chinese teams can't participate in this Gambit's Cup. (that is unless something happens in the next 24 hours and we do sort everything out miraculously.
The good news is that the reaction we got from the players and organizers apart from technical difficulties was positive, every still active player that we asked expressed interest in playing in a foreign tournament, and individually forking out the entry fees wasn't a problem either, so do expect them at foreign tournaments in the future.
On behalf of Chinese teams and players I thank you for your attention and interest and apologize for the inability to participate this time, do look forward to co-operating and interacting with us in the future though!Last edit: 2012-07-19 22:01:27 |
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| Eywa- Canada. July 19 2012 23:03. Posts 3012 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 22:01 Caihead wrote:
7/19
Alright I'm back with some bad news and some good news.
The bad news is that due to a combination of lack of team leads who will be able to persistently see the gambit cup through, worrying about lag, and the time slot, the Chinese teams can't participate in this Gambit's Cup. (that is unless something happens in the next 24 hours and we do sort everything out miraculously.
The good news is that the reaction we got from the players and organizers apart from technical difficulties was positive, every still active player that we asked expressed interest in playing in a foreign tournament, and individually forking out the entry fees wasn't a problem either, so do expect them at foreign tournaments in the future.
On behalf of Chinese teams and players I thank you for your attention and interest and apologize for the inability to participate this time, do look forward to co-operating and interacting with us in the future though!
Huh... How do you draw the second assumption given that GC is in pretty much the best time for chinese players while not going out of the range foreigners can play in?
Also, the fact that they don't seem to be willing to potentially live through a few lag tests and what not when their money is at stake doesn't really make me too keen on saying they'd be able to play in a free to play event...
Trying to say this in the least offensive manner possible, forgive me if this is not taken well. |
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| Caihead Canada. July 19 2012 23:40. Posts 5148 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 23:03 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 22:01 Caihead wrote:
7/19
Alright I'm back with some bad news and some good news.
The bad news is that due to a combination of lack of team leads who will be able to persistently see the gambit cup through, worrying about lag, and the time slot, the Chinese teams can't participate in this Gambit's Cup. (that is unless something happens in the next 24 hours and we do sort everything out miraculously.
The good news is that the reaction we got from the players and organizers apart from technical difficulties was positive, every still active player that we asked expressed interest in playing in a foreign tournament, and individually forking out the entry fees wasn't a problem either, so do expect them at foreign tournaments in the future.
On behalf of Chinese teams and players I thank you for your attention and interest and apologize for the inability to participate this time, do look forward to co-operating and interacting with us in the future though!
Huh... How do you draw the second assumption given that GC is in pretty much the best time for chinese players while not going out of the range foreigners can play in? Also, the fact that they don't seem to be willing to potentially live through a few lag tests and what not when their money is at stake doesn't really make me too keen on saying they'd be able to play in a free to play event... Trying to say this in the least offensive manner possible, forgive me if this is not taken well.
It's the time slot for available team leaders (for example, stevewch doesn't want to be the sole leader and can't make some of the evenings, FoR..Nainiu and GP).Heroes can't appear on some nights either, etc etc etc), we all can't make that time for one reason or another, it's nothing on your side that's problematic. The fact we don't have a consistent team leader is the most major issue out of this whole thing, this time we are basically scrambling to find the appropriate contacts before the deadline, I'm sorry that it didn't work out, it's not the fault of anyone at GC. Next time we will have the contacts available.
Testing and putting money up wasn't the problem by itself, we are not going to ask others to lag test with us / give money to us (like I said, we are already willing to do / pay the fee personally) when we know our team leaders can't be on.
Sorry if I came across as offensive, I don't know how that happened. |
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| dRaW Canada. July 20 2012 00:40. Posts 3509 | Profile Blog # |
| as fold said, with nationwars it was a lagfest, I prefer to not go through that for $ clanwar leagues ;; |
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| Eywa- Canada. July 20 2012 02:04. Posts 3012 | Profile Blog # |
On July 20 2012 00:40 dRaW wrote:
as fold said, with nationwars it was a lagfest, I prefer to not go through that for $ clanwar leagues ;;
You didn't play in Nation Wars. |
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